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This is a great example of a lack of critical thinking.. Cooper demanded to fly "nonstop" aka no stopping in the US, fuel anywhere in Mexico... Why would Cooper say "nonstop" if he knew the plane didn't have the range and the flight would be rejected and renegotiated. Why not just say Mexico? or pick some place far south. Why say no US stops at all if he wanted to jump outside Seattle? Simple, he believed it. Cooper wanted to go to Mexico and jump outside the US. other factors.. Cooper wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.. Cooper was Latin/Swarthy/Mexican in features and appearance. Cooper asked for money using "US" and "American", that suggests a foreign influence. Cooper's initial demand according to transcripts was rear stairs lowered in flight. Transcripts are far more reliable than 302's. The speculation that Cooper was so clever he made a (nonstop) demand he knew was unachievable, would be rejected and renegotiated as a ruse is utter nonsense.
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Flo said eyes were brown,, in this video she remembers the colour of his eyes.. and the first composite does not look like Cooper. 17:30 Cooper's eyes were brown and that virtually eliminates blue eyed Sheridan..
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I agree about the suction dredge, extremely unlikely for the money to end up as it did going through a suctions dredge. There was a massive clamshell dredge/barge operation right across on Sauvie Island in 76/77, that is a possibility. I did research on river flow and shape.. TBAR was known as an area for junk to wash up.. The steep drop off close to shore actually creates a higher current and can throw stuff up from the bottom. During a high flow period the location of TBAR relative to the Columbia's right turn and steep drop would create a condition which would throw debris up from the bottom onto the shore. Also, regarding human intervention, if it were why does that mean it was Cooper and he buried it?? Money buried dry, this isn't necessarily true.. the money's edges will fan out when thrown in the water but it will compress and stick together over time when fully saturated. The fanning effect is temporary. Water damaged packets of money will eventually stick together in a brick..
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If you look at FBI file #36, the six dashes aren't redactions or deletions. Those dashes are just separators to group communications/conversations.
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I didn't notice the parachute until I checked a high res version, it is on the FBI flight path map..
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yeah, it is an estimate, the point is Scholl's is about 8 miles past Heisson, that is outside the defined jump area in the same doc,, unless 8 miles is considered within "close proximity"??
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I don't think they are referring to Scholl's, if you read the entire doc they note the bump/osc at 8:10 and the area between Amboy and Heisson as the jump zone... that puts Scholl's too far South and suggests they are referring to an airport near the point the plane veered East (changed course).
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Self proclaimed experts still fail to understand simple concepts... The wind data posted above is used for an estimate, a proxy for Woodland based on Salem and Portland data and averaged over an hour... not very accurate for the LZ. I can read the direction.. the issue is Salem and Portland are far from the assumed LZ and averaged over an hour period 8-9PM. That is just not precise enough to claim the wind as a FACT as Eric does. The wind is an ESTIMATE just as the FBI stated. There is no data available for the exact time and location jumped. That is the point. The data shows a ESE, SSE, S to SSW shift from 7 thru 9 PM.. That means the wind at the LZ may have been SSE to S nearer to 8PM. The ground data shows this wind shifting. The proxy wind data from a significant distance and averaged over an hour is just not accurate enough to validate Eric's and Robert's claim. The F 106 pilots never indicated where Cooper jumped, the person writing the 302 indicated that the veer East is about where they thought Cooper my have jumped based on an 8:10 bump/osc. The veer East then turn right indicated by the F 106's destroy's the western flight path and corroborates the FBI path. The western flight path is dead. The FBI flight path is accurate and Cooper most likely jumped between 8:09 to 8:12 along that path.. The FBI originally used a SW wind then a SSW wind, shifting the search area. But looking at the vague method they used to ESTIMATE the winds near Woodland, it is clear that it is not at all precise to time and location. The winds at 8:09-13 could have been from SSE to SSW... that spins the potential LZ counterclockwise and Cooper may have drifted along or slightly W of the flight path. I don't know if they searched slightly W of the flight path, I assume they did.
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Probably from Google search.. Eric seeded the media with his Sheridan Peterson is Cooper false narrative.. people google search "Sheridan Peterson DB Cooper" the 5th result is.. Sheridan Peterson – The DB Cooper Hijacking https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/tag/sheridan-peterson/ Posts about Sheridan Peterson written by Robert M. Blevins.
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Was there any "training" procedure for military aircrew regarding a pull in poor viz from 10k.
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Ridiculous,,, you trying to gain cred from media which you were the source of. You are 98% certain of SP because an FBI agent thought she may have talked to the real DB Cooper.. some are convinced it was McCoy. FBI agent comments/opinions aren't evidence. You have nothing, less than nothing. SP doesn't match the revised sketch or the descriptions, Cooper was latin in appearance and characteristics. In fact, later on the FBI actually eliminated people because they matched the first sketch which was inaccurate. Truth is, the argument for SP is an extremely weak circumstantial one, virtually non-existent. Eric has consciously or subconsciously just pursued a grand speculative goal seeking exercise.
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We need to put the wind in context.. the FBI ADMITTED that the winds were an ESTIMATE (Sorry Robert and Eric) using data from Salem and Portland and averaged between 8 PM and 9 PM. Salem and Portland are far from the LZ. The winds near the LZ and placard were not a fact and if you drill down into the data it appears it was likely off. The winds nearer 8 PM were Southerly. Tom Kaye looking at the data claimed the winds were consistent all the way down and more Southerly than estimate. However, like the FBI data his data set was still far from the LZ. "The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis." Tom Kaye If you look at the data in the FBI files, the wind was clearly from the ESE to S.. and if Tom’s assertion that it was consistent all the way down then the FBI wind estimate was off and the wind was actually more in line with the flight path. That would mean Cooper drifted back essentially along the flight path. The SSE to S wind around 8 PM is supported by other historical data. The assumption made was using data Salem and Portland data and then averaging it over an hour.. The winds were shifting from ESE near 8 PM to SSW nearer 9 PM. Anybody claiming the wind at the LZ or placard is a fact is 100% wrong, even the FBI claimed it was an ESTIMATE. The FBI did revise the wind direction estimate to be more southerly spinning the LZ slightly. The search area moved slightly West.
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I don't see the money going through a suction dredge and ending up as it did. But, speculation has its place and is necessary to advance things like all cases, however, not all speculation is created equal. In this case, all speculation is attacked disparaged and ridiculed as bad thing, that is nonsense. Speculation should be judged as reasonable or unreasonable. The reason this case is so fascinating is because there are actually few 100% facts. An alternate flight path is unreasonable speculation as it is contradicted by many facts. The dredge is reasonable speculation, (I just don't think the money would go through and end up like it did).
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This matches and confirms the FBI flight path. Norjak veered East (about 8:12, jump estimate) and then turned right, this is incompatible with a western flightpath. FBI FILE #10 P419 __________ WAS INFORMED _________ PORTLAND AIRPORT, THAT TWO CHASE PLANES WHICH WERE FOLLOWING FIVE MILES BEHIND HIJACKED AIRCRAFT SUDDENLY VEERED TO THE EAST AND THEREAFTER MADE A RIGHT TURN. THE POINT OF THEIR CHANGE OF COURSE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IN TIME AND LOCATION TO THAT BELIEVED WHERE THE UNSUB DEPARTED THE AIRCRAFT.
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It looks like termite damage. I am looking into the few species of termites in the PNW.. there are two types,, dampwood termite and subterranean termite.
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Complete bunk… The FBI walked back the Cowlitz Sheriff claims to say they could NOT confirm the Placard was from Norjak. Evidence suggests it is unlikely. The wind was NOT a fact, according to FBI docs it was an estimate based from Portland and Salem averaged over an hour. Wind data closer to the area and jump zone have winds from the SSE to S. Robert Nicholson’s placard drift calculations are wrong. The flight path is backed up by the AF, F106 Pilots, Boeing, NWA and ATC…. The TBAR money being found on TBAR doesn’t mean Cooper landed nearby and buried it there, that is poor logic. Eric’s confirmation bias has ignored and distorted facts to push his extremely speculative theory. The premise for a western flightpath is about as weak as you can get.
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Found something interesting… The FBI files show that Cooper used two matchbooks.. One his and one supplied by Tina. Tosaw’s book distinguishes further. According to Tina the matchbook Cooper had said “Earn a High School Diploma” and Tina went to grab company matches from a cabinet.. Cooper recovered and took the first empty matchbook. Sky Chef supplied catering for flights.. That “suggests” the Sky Chef matches did not come from Cooper at all but were grabbed by Tina on the plane. I found these vintage matchbooks,, from ICS in Scranton PA. Also from Tosaw’s book.. Cooper had 2 drinks. Money in packets of $2000 strapped in PAPER BANDS and some had additional rubber bands, corroborates Tina, H and Bank letter to FBI.. Cooper offered 2 packets of money to stews, other than Tina. Cooper demanded flaps down but flight ops was calculating range and they went back and asked Cooper, he then said 15 degrees. Soderlind suggested SF or LA, and a second stop in Yuma.. and “Cooper was advised that it wasn’t necessary for the plane to stop anywhere in the US, but in any event he did not want to stop at either SF or LA because those cities were too big.” Reno was suggested by Soderlind and Cooper agreed.
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L55376548B was the bill on the top one of the of the packets the Ingrams had that Ralph Himmelsbach Id'd as matching the FBI list. This top bill is NOT blackened, if the FBI did use Silver Nitrate to fingerprint bills they would have fingerprinted this bill, the top one, they didn't. There was no record of SN being used and this bill would have been the primary target for fingerprinting.
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Name.. Most rational people would deduce that Cooper using a shortened version of his real name would virtually eliminate him as a suspect,, Would Cooper use a version of his real name.. doesn't fit his profile, meticulous, serious?? Didn't want to leave ANY clues behind.. He wouldn't have used his own abbreviated name.. Dan. Comic.. The Dan Cooper comics were published in about 16 languages but not in english. They included French, German, Korean, Arabic, Spanish and a Mexican Spanish version.. since Cooper was described as Latin/Swarthy/Mexican the Mexican/Spanish version would be a more likely source of exposure (if any) rather than the French Canadian theory. The Dan Cooper comics were not childish, they were extremely technical and even political. Many non-English military aviators read them.. After studying these Comics extensively, it is likely a coincidence or Cooper may have had some exposure to the Mexican Spanish version.
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The FDR has a "little bob" at 8:09 so that is the lower bound time. The rear door closing is an old theory.. I doubt Cooper would have closed the door himself, however the door may have swung partially closed... maybe it was swinging,, some planes have an open lock mechanism.. but I don't see one here on this early 727.. https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=rtPb7TAsPC8
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The irony, Eric is doing exactly what he claims other's are.. Eric doesn't address the evidence but attacks the messenger (ME), he is trying to push his extremely speculative narrative.. Eric goes beyond ignoring facts contrary to his narrative, he tries to discredit the messenger. Fact, the FBI walked back the Cowlitz Sheriff claim that the placard came from NORJAK, the placard is inconsistent with 727 internal emergency airstair placards. There is no confirmation the placard came from NORJAK, NONE. This was stated after the FBI investigation. The wind... Eric ignores the source for the wind data... and claims it is a fact. It was a guess, a proxy, they used the wind data averaged over an hour 8-9PM from Salem and Portland.. far from the placard and the LZ area. In fact, wind data 7-8PM had the wind ESE to S closer to the Placard and LZ. The wind was shifting, it was not a known fact. This is clearly stated in the FBI files. IT WAS AN ESTIMATE,,, NOT A FACT. the FBI SAYS SO.. The chutes, There weren't six chutes delivered to Cooper. FACT.. According to the packing card, the back chute returned to Hayden does not match the description/SN found on the back chute left by Cooper. That means at some point there must have been more than 2 back chutes involved somewhere. The airstairs,, Eric can't read the transcripts.. which are far more accurate than the 302 summaries he relies on to advance his bogus theory. Cooper's initial demand was to have stairs lowered in flight, there is no question about it. AFT STAIRS TO BE LOWERED AFTER TAKEOFF... The pilots were the ones that suggested lowering for takeoff as a means to convince Cooper to allow Tina to leave so they could escape. WANTS HER TO MANIPULATE STAIRS FOR HIM AFTER PLANE AIRBORNE.. TRYING TO GET HIM TO LET US LOWER STAIRS PARTIALLY FOR TAKEOFF Eric is being completely dishonest, he does have a Cooper docufiction to sell.. Disagreements are one thing, this is self serving goal seeking. Eric is a "Cooper Con"
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Small stained fragment... not likely from fingerprinting..
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Maybe Eric should change the name from "Cooper Con" to something else.
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There is no record of the FBI using SN.. but, that doesn't mean they didn't. I carefully examined the images and tried to find the bills id'd as the top ones of those initial 12 piles. Those would have been the best candidates for SN fingerprinting. I couldn't find them as blackened,, the blackened ones seemed random and internal. This is odd. There were reports of blackened bills prior to the FBI getting them. and Applying SN to fingerprint would not leave an inconsistent pattern like that shown on some of the bills. Diluted SN solution was an old school method to mark ransom money. Some bills are partially stained, some very light, some random, some very dark, some edges only.. that doesn't suggest SN fingerprinting. Something else happened to cause that inconsistent staining. The only thing I can think of is SN marking, though washing the bills in Clorox may have done something. I am skeptical that all/any of the staining was from undocumented/unreported SN fingerprinting. The patterns on some bills don't match. Something undisclosed happened here. Perhaps not all the staining is actually SN..
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SN is permanent on money.. and the Ingram's washed the money prior to the FBI getting the money for fingerprinting. Apparently they used Clorox which contains sodium chloride, it reacts with,,,, SN. But,, Let's look at the facts.. Tom Kaye found SN on the bills. An FBI agent told Tom SN was generally used for fingerprinting in the 1970's. The FBI never admitted to using SN on the Cooper bills and there was no record of it. Tom looked for evidence of blackened bills before the FBI got them and didn't find any. Therefore, Tom assumed the SN was from SN fingerprinting. The irregular and partial staining on some of the bills (like I posted above) in inconsistent with the SN fingerprint process. This and some other bills with irregular/partial staining pattern is inconsistent with the SN fingerprinting process. SN was an old school method for marking ransom money. It can be sprayed with a SN diluted solution which will stain the money over time with UV exposure. A covert method to mark money. If the FBI did mark the money with SN, that would be something they would hold back. Facts, there was darkened/blackened money mentioned by Brian and the Fazios prior to the FBI getting it for fingerprinting. Some of the staining patterns on the bills is consistent with SN marking and inconsistent with SN fingerprinting. SN fingerprinting was an assumption, the staining pattern on some of those bills is inconsistent with that,, where did the SN come from?? Marking the bills with SN is consistent,, is there any other explanation??