FLYJACK

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  1. Your info is not contextually accurate.. very incomplete and some just incorrect. This lack of accurate, complete and comprehensive info is why Hahneman was ignored and footnoted as a Cooper copycat for almost 50 years.
  2. Hahneman made the same demand to fly to MEX.. then in the air over MEX he directed to a specific location/path near Honduras before he jumped off the aft airstairs. The plane landed in MEX. The chase planes stopped following over the Gulf of Mexico. He was clear. A US official claimed that Hahneman had planned his 727 hijacking for years, he wasn't a Cooper copycat as commonly stated. My theory, if Hahneman was Cooper was that he intended to fly over Mexico and jump in Honduras. To redirect the plane once in MEX.. and refuelled. But, when the plane was to land in Reno, he changed his plan to jump ASAP.. Remember, Cooper gave no route for the plane, his LZ was ad-hoc, Reno was not even his suggestion. He had aviation experience and he may have recognized some landmarks/lights but he had no input for the plane's route. This is unique for hijackings. Cooper demanded going to MEX City, but land to refuel anywhere in MEX. If he just wanted to state a long route to buy time why say both. Why land anywhere in MEX for fuel and then also state MEX City as a destination. Hahneman hijacked a 727 plane in PA, it flew to New Orleans where they faked a mechanical problem. Hahneman knew they were faking and demanded a second plane be brought tail to tail where he had to make a risky transfer. He was aware of snipers and used the crew as a tight shield to move between planes. This is where he held a gun to the captain. The FBI had put him in a vulnerable position moving between 727's.
  3. IMO, PNW was not his initial LZ. If Cooper changed his LZ when Reno was in play... Could Cooper have been local to MEX? That also fits your assumption. Cooper's demand was MEX CITY, stop anywhere in MEX to refuel and NO stops in US, airstairs lowered in flight. Supporting evidence: Cooper initially demanded to got to MEX. Everybody assumes this was a ruse, there is no evidence for that. In fact, it is irrational for Cooper to make a demand he knew was unachievable and would be rejected. He thought the plane was going to MEX to refuel. Cooper changed his airstair demand when Reno was in play suggesting he changed his LZ to ASAP. Wouldn't changing to airstairs down on takeoff be the tell for a jump ASAP. That nullifies the long range argument. Cooper used the term "US" currency (Tina) "American" currency (pilots). Those terms would be very rare for somebody without foreign currency exposure to use, indicating Cooper spent time a non US currency environment (foreign). Cooper was described as swarthy, Latin American, Mexican in appearance. Cooper was not dressed for a PNW jump. Cooper did not give a heading, he jumped in an spot that he wasn't in control of. It was ad-hoc. Ex TBAR, the money never turned up, it would have been easy to use outside the US. Cooper was unique and never id'd. Add these up, it leans non local.
  4. Very risky to roll dice in this context. What was average age of hijacker's? what was Cooper's age? Roll the dice on that one, snake eyes.. Cooper is unique, he wasn't caught while the others were, snake eyes again. Most hijackings were political or mental issues, Cooper was on another level. One could argue he wasn't caught because he wasn't local.. I see zero evidence to claim he was local, though It can't be ruled it out it leans to not local..
  5. Interesting.. Tina made 5 trips. 1. got the money 2. got 1st backchute 3. got both chest reserve chutes "She also gave the hijacker a sheet of instructions on how to use the parachutes, but he told her he did not need it." 4. got the 2nd backchute 5. got meals, maps and (radio)
  6. I have a flight manifest showing Hahneman flying to SEA on Northwest Airlines many years before NORJAK.. but wouldn't most (ex)military personnel have some familiarity with McChord even if they weren't based there. Knowing McChord and Tacoma from the air doesn't indicate a local.
  7. Tina asked Cooper if she should get the maps, food and radio.. Not clear if the maps or radio were for the crew (probably) but Cooper knew about them. Not sure why the crew would need another radio..
  8. What plan? his initial plan, his initial demand airstairs lowered in flight... he thought the pilots controlled the airstairs. Is it rational to assume that when he made his initial demand he didn't have an LZ in mind? Of course he did. He had to have an initial plan, otherwise the entire operation was ad-hoc. My point is his airstair demand changed when Reno was in play and that suggests his LZ was not his first plan. The plane direction is irrelevant, it was refuelled in SEA. He wanted a 727 that fit his timeframe. There is no evidence he was local, none. There is no evidence he wasn't. There is evidence he had some familiarity with Tacoma and McChord. Assuming he is local to where he jumped is just a guess. I am looking at his words and actions, his demand changed when circumstances changed that indicates his plan changed. Everyone has missed this point because the dominant and false narrative is that his initial demand was airstairs down on take-off.. Think about it, why make the demand to MEX nonstop in US if he didn't believe it was possible. It makes no sense to make a demand that he knew would be rejected. His initial plan was based on the plane flying to MEX. Airstairs lowered in flight. If Reno didn't matter to his LZ why change his demand to airstairs lowered on take-off. IMO, his eventual LZ was not his plan when he made his initial demands and that is a game changer.
  9. He didn't want to be on the plane when it landed in the US. His plan changed. He then jumped ASAP to give himself the most time before a Reno landing. Being on the plane when it landed in Reno was extremely risky.. he already had the money. If the plane was going to Mex, he had much more time and range to jump. IMO, he picked 305 because it was a short flight, few passengers and less likely to have air marshals. There is no evidence he was a local. He was also described as Latin, Swarthy, Mexican in appearance...
  10. His initial demand was no stopping in the US for any reason... that was indicative of his initial plan. At the time hijacked planes did land in Mexico and proceed to Cuba. Landing in the US was far more risky than landing in Mex to refuel. The evidence does suggest some knowledge of the area from the air, but he had aviation knowledge/experience and was most likely ex-military so that isn't a surprise. You don't have to be local to ID Tacoma, I can do it. There is no evidence he was a local or that he initially wanted to jump ASAP before Reno was in play.
  11. Cooper said stop anywhere in Mexico to refuel do not land in the US for any reason. He must have thought the plane could could make it to make that demand or the demand would have been rejected. They planned on Mazatlan for fuel. The point is Cooper's demand changed when the destination changed. He did not initially demand airstairs down on takeoff. EVERYONE believes he wanted to jump ASAP due to his demand for airstairs down on takeoff. This is false, it wasn't his initial demand. It was an altered plan due to Reno being in play. The evidence used to speculate for a planned ASAP PNW jump is false. If his initial demand was airstairs down on takeoff, a planned PNW jump makes sense but it wasn't.. it was lowered in flight. IMO, he most likely wanted to jump outside the US based on his use of "US" and "American" Currency, he wasn't dressed for the PNW weather and his initial demand nonstop to anywhere in Mexico for fuel. Cooper's LZ wasn't his first plan, it was adhoc.
  12. I touched on this earlier but it was lost in the OT discussion.. This myth is still embedded in the Cooper consciousness and it is extremely important. Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered in flight. FBI file.. "HJ specified that he wanted to go to Mexico City non-stop, that the aircraft configuration must be gear DOWN, flaps at 15 deg, that the aft entry door must be open at all times, and that the aft stairs be extended after take-off. Later specified that the stairs must be fully extended before take-off. MSPFO advised crew (1) that non-stop SEA-MEX impossible with gear DOWN, flaps 15 deg, (2) that take-off with air-stairs full down impossible due to inability to rotate airplane. When HJ advised of this he asked that air-stairs be partially extended prior to take-off. MSPFO advised this also impossible since stairs could not be held in any intermediate position. HJ had previously stated that no landing in the continental U.S. would be permitted “for fuel or anything else”. When advised of range limitation in his specified configuration, he agreed to something short of the border." Why is this important.. First, it demonstrates that Cooper did not have extensive knowledge of the 727. He got the range wrong and the operation of the airstairs wrong. Second, his initial demand was airstairs lowered in flight, he thought the crew controlled them from the cockpit. Tina corrected him indicating they were controlled from the rear. Cooper's plan was not to takeoff with airstairs down, that changed when landing in Reno came into play. Cooper altered his plan based on Reno. Based on Cooper's initial demand he did not plan to jump ASAP and that indicates his LZ wasn't pre-planned but rather an adjustment. When his no US stop demand was altered, Cooper then wanted out ASAP. He did not want to be on the plane in Reno. Cooper's LZ was adhoc, not pre-planned.
  13. More corroboration for Tosaw's claim... Cooper offered ALL the stews packets of ransom money. Calame and Rhodes, offered packet of money to each stew at 14:30
  14. Tina corroborated... TWO MATCHBOOKS
  15. Let's see.. Tina was in Gresham 1979... She had previously moved in with her sister and brother in law Lee Dormuth, an FBI agent. Lee E Dormuth's amateur radio address was at: xxxx xxxxxxx Rd, Yardley Pa.. from 1972 - 1978. 1978-1980 it changed to xxxx xxxxxxx Dr, San Diego CA Lee and Tina's sister placed Tina in Gresham 1978/79 when they moved from PA to San Diego. Did Lee Dormuth discard the Cooper money into the Columbia 78/79 to protect Tina?? Palmer report.. money definitely deposited after 1978. "Even with this, he still felt the money was not at the site for more than a year. At the height found, the money was definitely deposited more than four years after the dredging of the Columbia River in 1974."
  16. When Tosaw is being accused of lying,, consider the credibility of the source. A source which has smeared, ridiculed, distorted and lied at some time about virtually everyone related to the Cooper case... I posted Tosaw's claims, not mine. Most of those claims are corroborated by other sources, however no book or person is error free.
  17. The specific "Tacoma" quote from Tina is in the Geoffrey Gray files.. The FBI Foia docs have a vague summary. p 11381
  18. Cooper identified Tacoma to Tina before landing in Seattle while plane in a holding pattern.
  19. Did a rough calculation and 305 had about 300 miles worth of fuel when it landed in Reno. They had prepared for a landing at Yuma and Mazatlan Mex by negotiating with Cooper to pull gear and flaps up after takeoff.
  20. Found something new,,, for me. Cooper took the matchbook cover but also wrote notes on it.
  21. "the crew told him that they could see the lights of Portland and other distinctive lights in that area"
  22. The FBI checked all the records and narrowed it down to about 15 people who were further investigated..
  23. The initial description and first sketch...