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These decals are regulated, the Hicks placard instruction do not match the interior main system at all so that one is out. It is close but not exact for the optional one, the "two hole panel" but it isn't the outside panel decal. It does match the exterior one which is actually inside the cavity and about 5 ft below the interior one. On a blueprint that might look like it was inside..?? Why didn't the FBI just add that blueprint in the files... It has to be one of those two for the 727. If it was the interior one behind the two hole panel than the FBI is lying and Cooper must have pulled the emergency system.. If it was the exterior one, actually inside the cavity then it could have fallen off any plane.

It only says Hayden sent in two chutes, it does not confirm that his two chutes were sent to the plane. There are no records because the FBI mixed everything up and was confused about it. No record doesn't mean it didn't happen. You don't misread a serial number and manufacturing date but get the packing date correct. Hayden's chutes were both packed May 21. Moreover, from your comment I can tell you still don't understand the process here.. There were ONLY four chutes sent to the plane, two fronts and two backs. The FBI scrambled to get the two backs, Hayden was contacted and he sent in two backs by cab. Another person contacted Cossey at home and he sent in two chutes.. The people receiving the chutes didn't know which was which, they grabbed two backs and sent them to plane with the two fronts. It happened to be one back from Cossey and one from Hayden. There would have been two back chutes sent to the plane with the two fronts.. now Hayden got one back, it was his chute that never went to the plane. Cossey got one back as well, the one that never went to the plane. Why is this important... it doesn't tell us who Cooper was but it tells us that Cooper jumped with Cossey's chute. Cossey was not lying about it. His description of that chute is the right one. Hayden sent in two chutes and assumed both were sent to the plane. Cossey assumed both of his were sent to the plane.

Eric claimed Boeing confirmed it was behind the two hole panel.. that claim is questionable. I don't know what the 2nd panel looks like and the Hicks placard text doesn't exactly match the interior emergency release system and it definitely doesn't match the main emergency system (push handle). It best matches the exterior one inside the outer access panel.

The writing on the outer panel with the holes.. there is another break away panel behind it. That is the right system.. that decal has to go either behind that access panel or inside the lower external panel. another one..

Found another image of the interior "emergency airstair" the panel "decal" does not match the Hicks. This plane was built for Pan Am 727-21, a passenger plane built in 1967.

You still don't grasp all the evidence in context. Hayden and Cossey didn't know that the other had also sent in chutes. The FBI documented the chute serial number that was left in the plane by Cooper and it DOES NOT match the one returned to Hayden. It was one of Hayden's left behind but not the one sent back to him. That means one of Hayden's and one of Cossey's was sent to Cooper and Cooper used Cossey's. The FBI mixed them up before they went to the plane. You misread the Deltor report.. it doesn't actually say that Hayden's two chutes were sent to Cooper. It only states that Hayden furnished two chutes to NORTHWEST "in order to secure parachutes to furnish the hijacker"... It does state that the front chutes were for the hijacker. It doesn't confirm the back packs. That report is a carefully worded document intended to be vague and mislead. This document does not support your argument. Hayden never gave the FBI the descriptions.. From Bruce Smith interview. https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/ " First, the container looked old – WWII vintage – even though the manufacturing label said April 1957. Further, I didn’t see any “wear marks,” as suggested in the FBI docs. “This is a luxury chute?” Norman sighed when I read the FBI document to him, clearly refuting this aspect of the Bureau’s characterization of the “chute not-taken.” Compounding doubts further, the harness material looked fresh, as if it came from a more current rig. Plus, I didn’t see any special padding on them, which the FBI claims should be there. " Even Hayden pondered the 4 back chute scenario.. " In addition, Barry supports Norman’s claim that as far as they know, both back chutes were identical. In fact, Norman seemed a bit dismayed about bureaucratic in-accuracies when I read aloud the FBI description of the two back parachutes and their many differences. However, Barry openly wonders if the FBI received four back parachutes that day – two from Norman that were identical, and two from Earl Cossey that were not. Supporting the notion of two sets of two back parachutes, author Richard Tosaw and the renown Cooper researcher known as Sluggo, both claim that NWO’s chief pilot, Al Lee, who was stationed at Sea-Tac airport, made the calls looking for parachutes and reached Earl Cossey at home. " Both Hayden and Cossey are correctly stating the truth from their perspective.

RE: Parachutes Cossey's statement... "I provided two parachutes one of them being an NB8... and the other being a Pioneer sport parachute." that does not match Hayden's two chutes. Both Hayden and Cossey must have sent in 2 back chutes each. Hayden got one back, Cossey got one back and Cooper jumped with one. The other is unknown. at 32:00 of video

Good show,, you can certainly see why Gossett was considered a good suspect.. Perhaps interview Georger, heard he recently has had some time freed up... Georger can explain his Cooper suspect theory... Theodore John Kaczynski, the UNABOMBER. Cooper had a grudge, Kaczynski had a grudge, Georger has a grudge,,, case solved?

The purpose of the WSHM wasn't to investigate the Cooper case, they were informative for the exhibit. Some of the information does add to the body of evidence and it would not exist otherwise. Sure, investigative interviews would be handled differently. Bill Mitchell.. http://www.washingtonhistory.org/collections/item.aspx?irn=122559

Shutter, You should get to the bottom of Eric's decal claim (Boeing confirming it was from behind the two hole panel), if true it is crucial and means the FBI is lying about the decal. If Cooper accessed that inner panel the FBI had to know about it.. and we are being played. If false, Eric is just exaggerating again. Eric won't answer my questions. He doesn't seem to like tough questions.

I have always been interested in this interview with Loren Peterson.. http://www.washingtonhistory.org/collections/item.aspx?irn=123428&record=20 Most people have discounted his entire account as he claimed he counted the bundles of money and it totalled $250,000. We know that isn't correct. He also drifts between his experience and what he heard about the case.. hard to parse. However, if the bundles were banded in 4 x packets (100 bills) = $8000 per bundle X 25 bundles. He may have assumed 5 x packets (100 bills) = $10,000 per bundle X 25 bundles, that equals $250,000. In other words, he accurately counted 25 bundles but at $10,000 each instead of 25 bundles at $8,000 each. That may be why he got $250,000 instead of $200,000.. but that means they weren't random. You can't really count random sized bundles. He also explains how he opened the money bag, repacked it and tied it up before it went to the plane. and they forgot to sign for the money...

Eric's response was vague,, He needs to be asked directly,, DID BOEING SPECIFICALLY CONFIRM THE "HICKS" DECAL CAME FROM BEHIND THE TWO HOLED EMERGENCY PANEL? yes or no

This is getting interesting now,,, we have this narrowed down, a binary.. Either Eric is lying/exaggerating about Boeing confirming the placard being behind the two holed panel OR if true, the FBI lied about almost all the placard info they released and they must have known Cooper pulled the emergency system and removed the access panels. This was my very first suspicion, the placard was attached to the second panel and it went out of the plane on that panel. On the other hand, if Eric's claim is false we are back to square one.

I haven't rejected anything,,, just because I challenge something doesn't mean I have rejected it.. that is what amateurs do.

There are several versions of emergency airstairs decals on the 727, we know that one goes right on the main panel, it isn't the Hicks decal. His plane is a 727-200, a different system.

I can't take this anymore, you are so confused I am losing my patience.. First, there are TWO panels, the outer one with the finger holes and inner one, a flange. The red handle is behind TWO panels. Second, ERIC made this claim on your forum and nobody questioned it.. I think he made it up.. "Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel."

You make no sense.. I am not changing the documented 302. Why don't you go and get Eric to clarify his claim... "Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel." I think he just made it up... but if it is true it is very important.

You don't know that, you have no way to know that. Those decals are very similar and the part number is one digit different a mixup somewhere is possible.

The stencil is not the decal in question there is also an instruction decal.

Eric Ulis wrote.. "I have no issue with the wording. It is a door whether it's on a hinge or not. Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel." This is a false claim,, though I believe Boeing told Eric the placard was from near the aft door. The Hicks Placard number is BAC27DPA-152. This 727 very similar Emergency Airstair decal is BAC27DPA-182.... Did Boeing mix them up??

The normal 727-200 exterior emergency handle says push red handle up.. but, from the 727-100 manual The interior emergency access cover (one with finger holes) "Emergency Use Only, Airstair Extension, Pull To Remove Cover" The exterior emergency access "Emergency Exit Handle, Aft Airstairs" both have "pull" on the handle.

Not on the 727-100 optional emergency release system, read this... "pull sharply on red T handle"

no, there is another "break away" panel behind the outer one before you get to the red handle. The Hicks placard fits the exterior emergency release instructions better.. with the fastener holes in it, I am going to focus on trying to find that instruction decal. There is an emergency release instruction decal in there I just don't know what it says.. It would be attached inside here... (I realize Boeing said inside the aft door but there is another decal that goes there, very similar and only one digit off the Hicks placard number)

I know it doesn't match the outer panel with finger holes, I don't know about the inner one.

I looked it up years ago and it is my notes,, I'll see if I can find the source again.. but I did find that the emergency airstair system did also have an exterior system, it also used a red handle and was pulled.