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great comment,, I agree, it is highly probable Cooper survived the jump.

R99, you are wrong about virtually everything, please give up,, I can't take it. You are flinging crazy non-sequitors and misinformation around.. Yes it is the same packing card.. "In addition, the chute was re-packed twice – in 1982 and 1984 – after its return from the FBI, according to Norman." https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/ It matches the FBI data (S/N & date) for the back chute and also matches the FBI noted (S/N & date) for the one returned to Hayden. Accept it,, there is no intellectual escape, it is over.. THE CHUTES DON'T MATCH COOPER DID NOT JUMP WITH EITHER OF HAYDEN'S CHUTES...

My god, you are dense.. look at the packing card for Hayden's returned chute that I ALREADY POSTED... 226 is the S/N Clearly, you can't comprehend simple facts... and manufacture your own reality. This is the front and back of packing card from Hayden's returned chute - it DOES NOT MATCH the info on the card found in the pocket of the back chute left on the plane,,, THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT.

I don't need to do anything, you are the one that is confused. both of Hayden's chutes are accounted for, Cooper did not use either of Hayden's chutes,,, get it. Two similar back chutes were sent from Hayden. Both packed by Cossey the same date. 1) Pioneer packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1960 S/N 60-9707. This was left on the plane confirmed by card found in chute. 2) Pioneer packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1957 S/N 226. Confirmed by packing card. This was returned to Hayden then went to museum. There is no packing card or data for the NB8 .

For Cooper surviving or not that is just an opinion, not really anywhere to go from there. The chutes. As usual R99, to maintain your denial, you toss in lots of assumptions that just don't add up. Hayden claimed the FBI chute descriptions (not the card data) are wrong and didn't come from him. Hayden claimed his two chutes were identical. (Pioneers) Hayden even speculated that perhaps there were two sets of back chutes.. one set from him and one set from Cossey. The chute Cooper took was an NB-8. (Cossey) The descriptor S/N and type are mixed up because of the way it is filled out on the card.. the descriptor is below the line. The descriptor can easily be misread as above the text. So, that isn't an issue. The data is correct, it came from the card which was in the chute pocket. The fact is the data on the cards DO NOT MATCH, if that isn't a problem for you or anybody then you should give up and leave this case. This is so obvious it is ridiculous to deny.. Set aside your bias and look at the facts objectively.

More indication Cooper was military... also.. "he has heard that the parachutes furnished to the man were a commercial brand named Pioneer and now surplus Navy parachute NB-8". Cossey claimed it was his NB-8,, Hayden had two identical Pioneer chutes. Both of Hayden's Pioneer chutes are accounted for.. One returned, one left on the plane.. Hayden packing card for chute returned. Serial number and date does not match Pioneer chute left of plane. Cooper DID NOT take either of Hayden's chutes.

Same here, I started out about 50/50 or less, now lean strongly that he survived.. Hahneman walked backwards down the ventral stairs and jumped out of a 727 at night with money and cigarettes over the jungle from 9,000 feet with a military chute from Andrews AFB, he walked 10 miles to a road and had sustained very minor injuries. Cooper's jump was very similar, he could have survived. Of course we don't have proof one way or the other, it is irresponsible to claim he died based on evidence. It is an opinion.

10,000 foot jumping was the oxygen threshold in the Air Force training pamphlet AFP-10-3 (1960's).. Was Cooper in the Air Force?? Pamphlet can be read here.. many pages cover the 10,000 ft level... http://www.chingchic.com/your-body-in-flight---afp-160-10-3-department-of-the-air-force.html

Ask him what you think is more accurate.. If it was Hahneman. I'd be all over it.. but, I am in a bit of a sensitive negotiation with the FBI right now.. You aren't doing this to prove anything to others, you do it for yourself. Who cares what others think. The result may be nothing,, or it may support your suspect or perhaps the case in general. Do it, Blevins

His email is right there in the link I posted, just ask him?? Why he thinks Cooper is dead.. easy assumption but does he have inside info. and why he claimed it was inside job,, and what does that even mean exactly?? Was it a personal opinion? What is the worst that he can say...

Bentz's has no first hand evidence, his claim even if he is being honest is meaningless. You need to pursue Jarvis's claim.

Troy Bentz's perception is actually irrelevant... If Cooper were alive he'd be in his 90's, most likely he has died... a reasonable assumption by Jarvis. Did you contact Jarvis, contact.. http://sociology.as.virginia.edu/jarvis

Many agents claim McCoy was Cooper.. Agents opinions are not evidence.. Something I learned long ago is that opinions/conjecture is worthless without context. People can say anything.. what is really important is why they have that opinion.. what is their argument.. how did they reach that conclusion. Most of the time there is nothing there to back it up. The opinion itself it worthless without a well constructed argument. The worst thing one can do is to accept an opinion based on who claims it not why they claimed it. Always look beyond the claim.. Some opinions/conjecture are well founded, most are not.

Actually, no it doesn't whatsoever. It helps sort it out, but it doesn't rely on it. The key evidence is the packing cards not matching proving Cooper didn't take either of Hayden's chutes. No way around that. Dismissing Cossey and Bruce doesn't make any difference. If he didn't take either of Hayden's chutes... to distill your argument.. he took one of Hayden's because Cossey and Bruce are not credible and Hayden is,, that isn't an argument, it is ridiculous. So, if he didn't take one of Hayden's and in your opinion didn't take one of Cossey's then what did Cooper jump with?? Rejecting Cossey's chute isn't an argument that resolves this.. Attacking Cossey and Bruce's interview is a straw-man. I really find dismissing Bruce's interview, especially quotes from Hayden as false without any evidence completely reckless and even irrational. Much of that interview is backed up by the evidence. None is inconsistent. The Amboy chute has nothing to do with this. We don't know why Cossey said what he said, there may have been a reason for it we are unaware of.. The context we have to understand is the perspectives of Cossey and Hayden at the time,, neither had any knowledge of each other or the chutes after they sent them in, they are expressing their opinions, their assumptions not facts. It isn't a matter of one is correct and the other is lying. Both are expressing their perception that doesn't mean either is lying.

Bruce's interview with Hayden is solid, he quoted Hayden and published it.. You have no evidence anything in that interview is false or you would have pointed it out,, attacking somebody's cred in general isn't a good argument when you can't show a falsehood. What is important in that interview are the statements by Hayden. My take fits all the evidence we have, it may not be exact but it is close.. You make a serious error, repeatedly, there is NO conflict between Hayden and Cossey. Their stories are compatible from each of their perspectives at the time.. Neither knows if their chutes went on the plane.. they both assumed. You actually think the FBI doesn't care if a major witness lies in a high profile case for decades undermining the case.. seriously.

Here is my take on this putting together the incomplete and seemingly conflicting info we have so far.. it may change if more info can be found. Cooper asks for two military back chutes from McChord. Cooper updates his demand to 4 chutes - two back and two chest reserve chutes. McChord is contacted but for some reason McChord can't get the right chutes. (maybe the FBI wanted back chutes with no D rings for the chest reserve and dummy so they couldn't be used) Hayden is contacted, he sends by cab two identical back chutes, both packed by Cossey May 21, 1971. Cossey is contacted, he sends in a Pioneer and an NB8 from his home by cab. Linn Emerick is contacted at Issaquah Sky Sports he grabs a front reserve and a dummy front reserve, the police transport them. Both packed by Cossey. The FBI tells Crew/Tina chutes are coming from McChord, Cooper still believes chutes coming from McChord. Chutes arrive at a staging area and are mingled, the two front reserve chutes, Hayden's Pioneer and one of Cossey's chutes are sent to the plane. Cooper tosses instructions sent with chutes.. he did not remove/look at the packing cards. Cooper leaves behind a Pioneer back chute and the good front reserve. Cooper jumps with one a back chute. The front dummy goes missing. Cossey is told by the FBI that a Pioneer was left behind, he assumes Cooper used his modified NB8. (The Pioneer left behind was Hayden's based on the packing date, Cossey thought his Pioneer was left behind) Hayden believing Cooper used his chute requested the one left behind on the plane, it was returned to him in 1975. The packing card for the chute Hayden received back doesn't match the packing card found in the pocket of chute Cooper left on the plane. Both of Hayden's chutes are accounted for after the hijacking. Hayden claimed both his chutes were identical. The FBI description of the chutes matches Cossey's description of his chutes, not Hayden's. Cooper used one of Cossey's back chutes.. He assumed it was the NB8 based on the fact that a Pioneer was left behind which he thought was his other chute.. it was Hayden's. ---------------- Cossey may have messed with reporters, perhaps he was instructed by the FBI to hold back some info but I really doubt he spent decades lying to the FBI, a serious felony easily exposed by them.

From Bruce Smith interview with Hayden.. "In addition, Barry supports Norman’s claim that as far as they know, both back chutes were identical. In fact, Norman seemed a bit dismayed about bureaucratic in-accuracies when I read aloud the FBI description of the two back parachutes and their many differences." FBI.. 1. Civilian luxury type, tan soft cotton material outside, 26 foot while canopy inside. The parachute inside is a military parachute. The parachute has a foam pad cushion and a fray mark down the rib on the back from rubbing on metal. 2. A military backpack parachute, standard olive drab green on outside, a 28 foot white canopy on inside. He (Norman Hayden) stated that this parachute also has a foam pad cushion. Hayden also said he never spoke to the FBI about the chutes though they quote him in the files. The FBI descriptions match Cossey's description of his two chutes, not Hayden's. Cossey claimed a Pioneer and a modified NB8..

Linn Emerick's stepdaughter explains the two front reserve chutes and confirms that Emerick grabbed them. Starts at 2:30

Maybe it was a delay tactic.. with the X on it they thought Cooper would notice, realize it was a dummy and perhaps request a replacement. They didn't expect him to use it. Hard to believe Emerick would grab a dummy by mistake.. The good front reserve was also from Sky Sports.. From CitizenSleuths.. FBI Transcript: “ORANGE CHEST PARACHUTE, 24 FOOT RIP STOP, TYPE SN DA5853912. DATE OF MANUFACTURE 10/59. OWNER-SEATTLE SKY SPORTS, ISSAQUAH, WASHINGTON INSPECTED AND REPACKED 9/16/71 BY E.J. COSSEY. THREE SHROUD CORDS CUT”

No, step back, Four delivered to plane.. two fronts and two backs. Two backs sent in from Hayden confirmed. Two fronts from Sky Sports/Emerick confirmed. Hayden's two accounted for based on packing cards.. What did Cooper use? One of Hayden's left on plane.. Cooper used one from either.. Two from McChord (unconfirmed). Two from Cossey (suspected).

Here it is... Emerick picked out the front chutes himself... So, how did Emerick pick a dummy chute with an X on it?? Sound reasonable? https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/21027116/ "According to Linn Emrick, who supplied one of the four parachutes handed over to the hijacker, one of the two parachutes apparently used in the jump was inoperable. Emrick, of Sky Sports Inc., Issauah, Wash., said the 'chute was for ground practice only and the canopy was sewn shut. "I didn't know It when I went over, and picked it out," he said," https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/435301054/ One of two missing parachutes would not have worked, it was disclosed yesterday. Linn Emrick, a sport parachutist who supplied it, said he inadvertently picked a "ground training" chute when airport officials asked him for one to supplement two chutes furnished by the Air Force. The other supplementary chute was supplied by Renton Aviation. Its manufacturer said it would "work fine.”

It is a myth that Cooper removed the packing card.. Cooper was handed chute "instructions" from Tina and threw them away.. this got conflated ,, there is no source or evidence that Cooper removed a packing card. The packing card for the back chute left on the plane was found inside the pocket. 377 quote.. "Ckret told me ages ago that he was unaware of any witness statements about Cooper locating and reading rigger data cards on any of the rigs."

Hayden got his chute back in 1975... He only requested one because he thought the FBI only had one (of his) left.

I am trying to sort the conflicting information about the McChord parachutes... other than Tina's interview statement, McChord chutes are not mentioned in the FBI files. 1) Cooper asked for chutes from McChord? Himmelsbach. 2) Cooper rejected chutes from McChord and requested sport chutes? When and how, conflicts with 4. 3) Cooper chose the military chute? Conflicts with 2 4) Tina told Cooper the chutes were coming from McChord, Cooper noted the distance to McCord? Cooper thought they were coming from McChord. If Cooper thought they were coming from McChord then when did he reject them and how?.. how can he be expecting them from McChord (fact) then reject them for sport chutes. IMO, something is being hidden here.... it makes no sense. I don't think Cooper did reject them.. it is made up. For some reason the FBI decided to obtained the chutes elsewhere and told Tina/Cooper they were coming from McChord as Cooper had requested. So, why did the FBI not get chutes from McChord? The static line chute excuse is a red herring. Surely, McChord would have bailout rigs. Are there any other sources of information?? sources.. FBI part 26 #8883 In one of the conversations she had with him, she re- marked that the parachutes were coming from McChord Air Force Base at which time he remarked that it was only about twenty minutes from McChord to the Seattle-Tacoma airport and which was apparently an accurate estimate., Himmelsbach.. "He specifically asked for parachutes from nearby McChord Air Force Base, showing some familiarity with the area.” Tina interview.. FBI files While waiting on the ground at Sea-Tac for the parachutes, the hijacker became annoyed and Miss MUCKLOW told him the parachutes were coming from McChord. The hi-jacker then said, “McChord is only 20 minutes from Tacoma; it doesn't take that long." News report.. Cooper at first had ordered two parachutes, which were brought out from McChord. They were the military type, which must be opened wtth a static cord linked to the plane. It would open the chute after western Washington state to a 200-foot fall. Cooper then ordered two more. Airline officials did not say whether Cooper specific the type, but the second set were sports models, obtained at a skydiving field east os Seattle. A sports ‘chute would allow a man to free-fall several thousand feet before opening the parachute.

Go find it yourself, I have posted it and explained it many many times,,, just search this forum or go find it yourself. You are ignorant, rude and have disrespected me for a long time,, the problem ROBERT99 is you.. you are incapable of reason. I explained repeatedly the difference between packets and bundles and the confusion and misunderstanding it created,, YOU and GEORGER could not understand a simple fact and from that position of ignorance you attacked and ridiculed me.. YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. So, forgive me if I don't give a crap.. I don't have the patience to unwind the misinformation, inconsistencies and sheer conjecture you have expressed as fact in your recent comments here and elsewhere. You have hardened opinions backed up with and elixir of arrogance and ignorance. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK...