FLYJACK

This case is about contextualizing facts and assessing probabilities... True, nothing proves Cooper didn't land in the Columbia, it is possible. But, the facts suggest he jumped further North. The highest probability is that the money came from the River upstream. The money packets were a tight blob, extremely unlikely non motile fragile spring diatoms got inside. A water landing does not equal death, you claimed it did. Now your argument has shifted probability. Cooper planting the money is silly,, IMO The Willamette is a higher probability than the Columbia for two reasons,, the plane was over/close to the Willamette for a longer period of time and the bottom is gravel which may account for the rounded off packets via tumbling. This statement is completely false. "The only logical conclusion is that Cooper also ended up in the water. "

According to this FBI 302 summary Cooper asked for small bills..

On the money coming from the river... The heavily rounded off packets looks consistent with tumbling along a gravel bottom.. The Willamette has a gravel bottom, the Columbia has a sandy bottom. It would be good to figure out some type of experiment.. but if the money was tossed into the Willamette near Eugene it might take 2-3 weeks to reach TBAR... rolling along the gravel bottom.

Wrong. Exact location of pressure bump was not confirmed but it was not over the Columbia. Diatoms suggest money went into and out of river in spring. Palmer report found money in top layer with "fresher" debri, the conclusion was the money arrived within a few years of discovery. Marty Andrade did work on water landing and it does not = death.. Actually if you apply probabilities, if Cooper did a river splash, the odds favour a Willamette landing vs Columbia since the plane was within landing/drift distance along the Willamette for more time. Therefore, a Columbia splashdown is less likely than a Willamette splashdown. A Willamette splashdown was one of my early theories.. I just don't think it is the best one. Low probability but higher than the narrow Columbia crossing path.

I never said Mucklow hid it. Everybody and his dog has considered the Columbia R splashdown, it is nothing new. The pressure bump did not occur over the Columbia. STRIKE ONE Diatom timeframe. STRIKE TWO Palmer report, money arrived within a few years. STRIKE THREE Water landing = death. STRIKE FOUR Now, you can claim a supernatural sequence of events to explain those away but at the end of the day it is just a theory. A weak one that doesn't really fit the evidence. It may be possible, but that doesn't make is probable.

Norjak pre-dates the wide adoption of the term hispanic.. it started in the early 1970's. Latin Americans were considered white/caucasion unless Indian... Hahneman was noted as white but today he would be hispanic. The term hispanic was adopted by US gov for the census and became the norm. For 1971, the lack of the use of term hispanic is irrelevant. I made this list a while back, I should update it with all the new released FBI files since, but it is clear... Cooper was described as having an olive/swarthy complexion, but more.. a Latin, Mexican or Indian appearance, characteristics, descent. EVERYBODY IS IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.... FBI PART 11 P 1922 FOLLOWING COMPOSITE TAKEN FROM INTERVIEWS OF WITNESSES WHO WERE IN A POSITION TO SEE UNSUB. RACE, WHITE; SEX, MALE; AGE, MID FORTY'S; FIVE FT TEN TO SIX FT . , ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY TO ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY POUNDS, AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, OLIVE COMPLEXION, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH COMPLEXION, DARK BROWN OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK; SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL; EYES, POSSIBLY BROWN, FBI PART 11 P 1982 DESCRIBED AS WHITE, MALE, MID FORTIES, SEVENTY TO ONE EIGHTY, OLIVE COMPLEXION, OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON SMOKED RALEIGH CIGARETTES. FBI PART 11 P 2036 Mr. MILNES said the hijacker was described as white, male, American, olive complexion, Latin appearance, black hair, normal hair style parted on left, age middle forties, six feet tall, 170 to 175 pounds, average build, brown eyes. He was wearing a black suit, white shirt, narrow black tie, black rain-type overcoat, black dress suit, and was carrying a dark briefcase. FBI PART 11 P 2047 UNSUB described as white male, mid-forties, five ten to six feet, one seventy to one eighty, olive complexion, latin appearance, dark brown or black hair combed straight back in normal style, parted on left, smoked Raleigh cigarettes. FBI PART 11 P 2056 that he has average eyes, of Latin appearance, with a sort of disinterested look FBI PART 11 P 2224 WHITE, MALE, MID 40's, 5'1011 TO 611 , 170 Tel 180 lbs., AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, OLIVE COMPLEXION, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH, DARK BROWN OR BLACK HAIR, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK, SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL, POSSIBLY BROWN EYES, DURING LATTER PART OF FLIGHT PUTr DARK, WRAP-AROUND SUNGLASSES WITH DARK RIMS. LOW VOICE, SPOKE INTELLIGENTLY; NO PARTICULAR ACCENT, POSSIBLY FROM MIDWEST SECTION OF THE U.S., HEAVY SMOKER OF RALEIGH FILTER TIP CIGARETTES, WEARING BLACK OR BROWN SUIT; WHITE SHIRT; NARROW BLACK TIE; BLACK DRESS SUIT; FBI PART 11 P 1987 COMPLEXION: OLIVE, SWARTHY, THE LATIN TYPE FBI PART 11 P 1841 COMPLEXION: OLIVE, LATIN APPERANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH FBI PART 18 P5497 RACE WHITE, SEX MALE, AGE MID FORTIES, HEIGHT FIVE FEET TEN INCHES TO SIX FEET, WEIGHT ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY TO ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY POUNDS, BUILD AVERAGE TO WELL BUILT, COMPLEXION OLIVE, LATIN APPEARANCE, MEDIUM SMOOTH; HAIR DARK BROWN OR BLACK, NORMAL STYLE, PARTED ON LEFT, COMBED BACK, SIDEBURNS, LOW EAR LEVEL; EYES POSSIBLY BROWN. FBI PART 26 P 8545 He was unable to determine from the photograph the complexion of ______ but again emphasized the hijacker had a swarthy or Latin type complexion and it appeared to him might have such a complexion. FBI PART 26 P 8574 OLIVE OR LATIN COMPLEXION· Key witnesses generally agree that unsub had an "olive or Latin" complexion.- One witness indicated a Mexican-American or possibly Indian complexion and characteristics. In addition, unsub expressed a desire to go "anywhere in Mexico”. FBI PART 26 P 8881 She thereafter remained in the cockpit where she prepared thirteen pages of notes concerning the hijacking and in which she described unsub as in his fifties. She later said he appeared to be of Latin descent. FBI PART 19 P 5934 "Enclosed is an artist's conception of the hijacker who extorted two hundred thousand dollars from Northwest Airlines on November 24, 1971. This man is described as follows: "Race-white; sex-male; age mid-forties; height-five feet ten inches to six feet; weight-170 to 180 pounds; build-average to well built; complexion olive, latin appearance, mediurn smooth; hair-dark brown or black; normal style, parted on left, combed back; sideburns, low ear level; eyes-possibly brown. FBI PART 10 P 1683 said that the man appeared to be Latin descent FBI PART 27 P 9104 To date 475 suspects have been developed based·on appearance, as well as other features. Many of the suspects were developed because of their resemblance to the artist's composite of UNSUB. A 9reat number of these suspects have turned out to be in their 20s or early 30s, with light or fair complexion. According to witnesses, UNSUB's age is in the mid-40s and his complexion is olive or Latin in appearance. The artist's composite clearly· looks like a man in his late 20s or 30s and his complexion is difficult to determine from the black and white sketch. FBI PART 27 P 9390 In NORJAK case, • witnesses describe subject's complexion as olive, Latin appearance, medium smooth. FBI PART 9 P 919 ALL OFFICES ARE TO BEAR IN MIND WHEN CAPTIONED CRIME WAS ON NOVEMBER 11, 1971, UNSUB AKA. B. COOPER WAS DESCRIBED AS BEING A WHITE MALE, 5 ' 1 0 " TO 6 ' 0 “ , 170 POUNDS, OLIVE AND LATIN APPEARANCE. FBI PART 27 P 9327 In view of the fact that unsub in this matter had a swarthy complexion and was tentatively identified by several witnesses as possibly having Mexican ancestry, the following lead is being set out: FBI PART 13 P 3159 which he feels more closely depicts the nose and cheeks of the unknown subject, whom he feels was of Mexican-American dissent with posaibly lndian blood. FBI PART 33 P 12115 indicated that the unsub's complexion was somewhat swarthy indicating that he might have possibly been an American Indian or Mexican American. FBI PART 26 P 8882 believed unsub was a Mexican-American. She bad a short encounter with the unsub prior to her deplaning at Seattle FBI PART 29 P 10072 similar Mexican-type facial features FBI PART 11 P 2135 CHEEKS TOO FLAT, SHOULD BE MORE ROUNDED TO GIVE MEXICAN-AMERICAN APPEARANCE. FBI PART 28 P 9541 lacks the Mexican or Indian characteristics that ____ noted in the hijacker. FBI PART 28 P 9559 further advised that the hijacker definitely had some Indian or Mexican blood in him. He would guess about one quarter Indian or Mexican blood. FBI PART 28 P 10037 FACIAL FEATURES: Should reflect a Mexican or Indian ancestry FBI PART 11 P 2039 Race: Caucasian, believed to be of Mexican-American descent wih possibly some Anerican Indian blood FBI PART 34 P 13102 In view of the fact that UNSUB in this matter is possibly of American Indian decent, the following leads are being set forth pursuant to referenced communication:

I think, when he made his initial demand he wanted to jump south of the US border.. outside the US authorities,, he believed the plane could get to Mexico.. Remember, Cooper was described and swarthy, Mexican/Latin American.. and was not dressed for a PNW jump. But, when Reno was in play, he wanted out ASAP... The speculation that Cooper just wanted the plane heading south is reasonable but doesn't really make sense in the context of his initial demands. Why nonstop in US, he could have said Phoenix or Yuma, and why make a demand that was going to be rejected.. unless he thought it was doable. Cooper was smart but that was dumb.. unless his demands were misunderstood.

You missed a big part of my argument.. Cooper's initial demand was non stop to Mexico and airstairs lowered inflight, there is no dispute here.. it is clear in FBI docs and transcripts. When Reno was renegotiated, he wanted to jump ASAP and wanted the airstairs down on takeoff. So, everybody is conflating Cooper's demands and mis-interpreting his intentions. His plan changed. Cooper would not demand the plane to fly to MEX nonstop unless he believed it would make it. He wouldn't make a demand he knew would be rejected and had to be renegotiated.. His first demand indicates he wanted to go to Mexico.. But when that was renegotiated to Reno his plan changed.. He wanted airstairs down on takeoff and to jump asap before the plane landed Reno. His intentions changed, he adapted. THIS IS A CRUCIAL POINT EVERYBODY MISSED. Cooper did not initially demand airstairs lowered on takeoff.

Man, Georger proves he is a clown.. First, Georger argues Cooper said "American" to back up the Mexico demand.. but the Mexico demand was after Cooper received the money.. FAILED ARGUMENT Then Georger as usual shifts the goal post and suddenly claims Cooper never said it.. but the crew added it, that was Bruce's argument. A better one actually but not conclusive. Georger is goal seeking to support his conclusion.. he even attacks me for having a suspect, but he doesn't address the argument or get the facts right. This is what makes Shutter's forum so TOXIC.. no critical thinking, just goal seeking. Proof, bookman's argument was never examined, just nodding, grunting and snorting approval based on the conclusion,,, problem is, his examples prove the exact opposite to his conclusion. NOBODY CHECKED. Lazy... "American" was transmitted by the crew, why would an American crew add "American"?? to Coopers demand,,, It is possible but very odd. So, we look further, Tina said Cooper later told her circulated "U.S." currency, now we have "American" and "U.S." being used... did they both add it in, possible but getting very unlikely. It is very likely Cooper used "American/US" currency and it would be very rare for somebody without foreign influence/exposure to do so.. Go down to your local bank and ask to withdraw some cash,, are you going say "American" or "US" Currency... extremely unlikely or rare. It is an over reach to say it indicates a foreigner, it just suggests somebody with foreign exposure/influence... still could be an American. May be military.. If you clowns over there don't get your facts and arguments straight you're just going to keep going in circles for another decade.

Martin McNally gave $$ to stews... maybe somebody should ask him about that.. McNally wanted to do another hijacking.... Why not Cooper..

Thanks, it is such a great story, cooler than Cooper.. I tracked down and found a "famous" item stolen over 40+ years ago.. This Covid-19 has messed up things.. I'll explain it later, what it is and how I did it.

"negotiable American/US currency" The crowd over at the other forum has completely screwed this up.. they have the facts wrong, the arguments are bogus and the conclusions are wrong.. we went over this and Georger is making the same bogus argument that he made before. The argument is that an American without foreign currency experience wouldn't qualify a ransom demand with "American" or "US" currency. The word "Negotiable" isn't the point here. The pilots used "American" and Tina said Cooper later told her he wanted "US", we have two sources. The pilots and Tina. Bruces' argument was that the crew added it. Problem is the crew was American so why add it,, That argument makes no sense, the American crew added it but Cooper didn't because he was American.. and Tina also claimed Cooper said it to her. Georger's argument was that Cooper demanded to go to Mexico, so to be consistent he used American/US,, but Georger has the timeline wrong, American/US was used hours before the Mexico demand was made. Cooper already had the money when made the Mexico demand. If Cooper wanted to actually go to Mexico (preplanned) when he asked for the money.. it makes sense. Enter the newbie Bookman... He uses examples to make a conclusion that the phrase is not uncommon.. the problem is nobody actually checked his argument. First, the commonality of the phrase itself isn't the issue. A ransom demand using American/US to describe currency is. It is the CONTEXT... How many ransom demands by hijackers or bank robbers are made without any foreign influence using "American/US" currency.. The argument is that a ransom demand using American/US without a foreign context is not common. Second, I checked three of his examples and they all have a foreign context. In fact, those examples actually confirm that the use of the term has a foreign influence/context. So, now newbie Bookman has changed the argument and used examples that confirm the original conclusion, but worse nobody actually checked it.. The argument is a ransom demand using American/US to define the currency by somebody without some foreign influence would be rare. Now, this is consistent with a military person with recent overseas exposure. It doesn't indicate Cooper is not American but that he has foreign exposure.. To state Cooper was not American is too strong.. It would be very rare for a person without foreign exposure to qualify a ransom demand with "American/US" currency. The irony is the crowd over there has got everything exactly backwards. Bookman's examples.. you guys can check the others.. international espionage https://archive.org/details/MikeShayneMysteryMagazineAnnual1972/page/n57/mode/2up/search/"negotiable+american+currency"?q="negotiable+american+currency" Germany https://archive.org/details/currencydealerne2002coin/page/n109/mode/2up/search/"negotiable+american+currency"?q="negotiable+american+currency" International narcotics operation https://www.amazon.com/SWORDFISH-Story-Ambition-Savagery-Betrayal/dp/0679420193

The main reason to reject the Columbia River landing is the pressure bump, the diatoms are also a conflict. That bump marks Cooper's jump, the problem is determining exactly where along the path it occurred. It wasn't as far south as the Columbia.. The Columbia River landing is possible and a valid theory but it loses points for rejecting the pressure bump and FBI LZ evidence. My analysis... highest probability. The FBI LZ is generally close.. Cooper jumped along the FBI flightpath 8:11-13, he probably survived. He was likely the person who broke into the store that night and he used the rail tracks next to the store to get out of the area. The TBAR money went into the Columbia or Willamette in spring of 1979 or 1978... and washed up on TBAR within a short period of time.. days or weeks. The speculation.. The money was not planted but discarded into the Columbia or Willamette by somebody other than the hijacker. It may have been intentionally discarded by somebody trying to get rid of it thinking it was a liability or unintentionally made its way into the St John's landfill and ended up in the surrounding Slough which empties into the Willamette a few miles upstream of TBAR... There are many theories that can be drawn from above.. I can think up about 5.. My favourite one is Tina.. but there are others.. this fits all the evidence except the one statement Tina made that she handed back the money.. it is the simplest explanation within the goal posts.. Tina didn't return the money she asked for and received from Cooper. She was in Gresham 1978 and had a nervous breakdown. Her brother in law FBI agent and sister moved her to a Nunnery in Eugene in Spring of 1979. The money was the cause of the breakdown. To protect her, one of them discarded the money in the Spring of 79.. either tossing into the Columbia at Gresham or better into the Willamette near the Eugene Nunnery. The money tumbled down the gravel bottom of the Willamette for a few weeks rounding off the edges and landed on TBAR. The money was 3 packets rubber banded into one SINGLE bundle. TBAR was a natural garbage dump loaded with debris from the river.. This is my top theory.. but there are others. This content is copyrighted and reproduction in whole or in part by Georger is not authorized. All others are authorized.

Why is it dubious? It was only challenged when the TBAR was found. There is no evidence Cooper landed in the Columbia. The FBI LZ was rejected to fit... because TBAR couldn't be explained. The evidence for the FBI LZ didn't change. I have several explanations, other people have some and there is always the unknown.. Think it through, if Cooper landing in the Columbia is your #1 theory,, a theory that everybody has considered.. then what is your second or third option.. can you think up another option that fits the evidence or do you have only one option.

Cooper landing in the Columbia isn't the simplest explanation, it requires rejecting other evidence. The simplest explanation also requires staying inside the goal posts as much as possible. Nothing about this 50 year old case is simple... Bills fan out initially then solidify.. There are theories that do not require Cooper to plant money on TBAR a few years prior... I don't think he returned or anybody planted the money.

Nothing in the Cooper case is that simple.. The money most likely came from the river, some think it was buried by Cooper, I don't. The Palmer report suggests it arrived within a few years of the find. The diatom found suggests it went into and out of the water in spring, not Nov when hijacking occurred. To have Cooper landing in the water you need to reject other evidence. It is always possible he did.. but there are other theories that can fit all the evidence better. I don't think any of them will be proven.

The ground elevation in the FBI LZ was mostly 200 to 600ft with some peaks up to 1200ft.. The FBI used a 3 mile drift as a potential.

Here is video of a DUMMY... and a reserve with some cord.

It was a good observation on your part, that white cord wasn't from the "pink" chute.. was it there prior or did Cooper add it?? The burned/melted end on one of the cords and the image of other Emrick chutes suggests the white cord was likely there before Cooper got it..

dudeman17, any clues here.. Linn Emrick DEC 71 showing his reserve chutes.. Looks like at least one (bigger one) has some short cords hanging others not... Let's see if Shutter's clown show steals my post content... One of the ends of those cords on Cooper's left reserve was burned/melted, that suggests a rigger did it. Emrick said he grabbed training parachutes for Norjak..

This case case is so difficult and divisive because there are really few facts and lots of conflicting and erroneos information even within the FBI documents. Those documents are investigative notes they aren't conclusions.. so they can be interpreted differently.. The best evidence supports a jump in the FBI zone roughly between Ariel and Battle Ground.. but of course it isn't a fact, Cooper may have jumped later. The more information you have the better you get at assessing probabilities.. ultimately this case is a jigsaw puzzle with only 10% of the pieces in place. 50% of the pieces are jumbled 20% don't belong and 20% are missing.. My highest probability scenario is Cooper jumped N of Battle Ground around 8:12, pulled and landed safely perhaps a slight injury. He was likely the one who broke into the store next to the tracks at 11:30 PM and went South along the rail tracks to escape.. there is no way to prove it. The FBI pinpointed a landing zone for Cooper based on evidence, that doesn't make it a fact but it is the highest probability. almost 20,000 pages.. https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper I did research missing Canadians years ago and found nothing..

While skimming Tosaw's book I noticed that he said the fighters intercepted Norjak flying 148 degrees, that is not the western flight path. He also said that the pilots raised the landing gear then lowered back down..

Welcome to the Vortex, you can enter but you can never leave.. as for productive discussions, those are rare.. open-minded, logical fact based approaches are lacking.. For a long time I thought Cooper probably died in the jump, but now I think he survived, the jump was survivable if he pulled.. he might have lost some or all of the money though..

This is interesting, the white cord is looped around the side handles, on one side both ends are heavily frayed.. the end for the other side looks melted with a match/lighter.. Neither of these ends looks the same as the cuts on pink parachute cord. The cutting method was different and/or the cord was different. Perhaps the cords were cut by different people.

I got news that the party involved in a 40+ year old crime/mystery which I recently solved is planning a documentary... and they asked if I'd be in it. For me, this mystery was far easier than the Cooper case but goes on my resume as a major win and gives my crime/mystery solving research and critical thinking skills big cred.. and it is a very very cool story. Just like the Cooper case it was an intellectual puzzle but in many ways it was more satisfying than the Cooper case.. the case was stone cold and I solved it completely on my own but I controlled the process and environment. It wasn't solved by science, it was solved by reasoning and critical thinking. The problem for everyone with a suspect in the Cooper case is the forensics and reliance on the crumbs the FBI gives us.. we don't control forensics and only that will 100% put a suspect on the plane. The best anyone can do is to build a circumstantial case so strong that the authorities are forced to apply the forensics, if they really want to solve it. I don't think they do.. at least at the top.