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So, there are three packets sitting in the sand eroding,, why are they missing 50% only from around the edges, not through the fronts and backs of the packets. There is some light damage but they were mostly intact (fronts and backs). If the packets were deposited/buried INTACT by human/natural means then you'd expect much more deterioration on the fronts and backs of the packets, there was very little. It seems, most of the edge deterioration must have occurred before the money was buried.

Those have laces, but there many shoes/boots very similar that Cooper cold have worn. The point is Cooper didn't necessarily have street shoes. The "Commando" branded soles were an option on many shoe brands. If Cooper was the one who broke into the store.

I did an overlay of a Cooper bill to show how much is missing... Interesting, it might be over 50% gone. Notice the ends have eroded at a greater rate than top/bottom... is that something that would happen on TBAR in a static state (normal ingress) or would that be caused before,, like tumbling along a river bottom??

The FBI also referred to them as "oxford" street shoes.. I think the ankle boot I posted above is something close... ankle high, looks like a loafer or oxford street shoe, laceless and had a corrugated commando sole..

I have always been neutral on the bomb being real or not,, no idea.. but this passage from the FBI is interesting.. Cooper warned about the radio transmissions possibly setting off the bomb but didn't think they would.. He never demanded reduced radio transmissions,, So why make the statement. If the bomb was fake it might give it more legitimacy.. but he didn't really need it. If the bomb was real he may be expressing a legitimate concern.. if the bomb goes off it wasn't my fault. I am leaning toward the latter.. just slightly,, maybe the bomb was real.

If the TBAR money rounding wear came from tumbling along a river bottom, then it was the Willamette not the Columbia.. the Columbia has a sandy bottom, the Willamette gravel. Of course the 3 money packets would have to be rubber banded in a single bundle. This image is interesting, no it isn't a rubber band.. it is the backside of the bill, the top portion of the bill is bent or folded back, the line is the WH pillar.

The Heisson store is right next to rail tracks.. Heisson store is about 4 miles from the flightpath..

My GOD,, Georger is a F******* M****** NOBODY STOLE BOOTS FROM THE STORE. THERE WERE NO BOOTS STOLEN FROM THE STORE.... G MADE THAT UP BECAUSE HE MISUNDERSTOOD THE REPORT. He can't get anything straight. Cooper may have been wearing the same boots the whole time... laceless ankle boots with corrugated "Commando" soles.. they can resemble loafers in appearance with the pant material partially covering. They were also describes as "ankle" high, that isn't a loafer. Laceless can appear like a loafer.. they were also described as street shoes. Something like this,, laceless, ankle high, appears like a street shoe or loafer (pant leg covering) and has a commando sole. "If FJ is right and Coop stole boots at the Heisson store .... see his photos - then Cooper was set for traveling. The key is did they apprehend somebody for the breakin ... did they have a suspect? You should check that out Bruce. " Georger

Cooper shoes weren't loafers, as claimed, they were laceless ankle boots.. There was a store break in the night of NORJAK in the LZ, survival rations and ciggs were taken, the shoes were a military type corrugated sole.. A commando sole was an option for many ankle boots.

Cossey's description..

Possible, but that info came from the FBI files. Logically, they would have used a SN before with the other found chutes, they didn't, they had Cossey look at them or described it to him. SN was never mentioned. I don't think they have the SN for the chute. FBI files said they didn't but they can be wrong. If they did get a potential chute, they couldn't confirm it.

I have no book or plan to write one.. sounds horrible.. but The FBI does not have the serial number for the chute Cooper used. they asked Cossey for the serial number, he claimed he sent it to them and they claim they never got it.. Interesting point,, What would the FBI do now if somebody brought in a potential chute with Cossey deceased. The FBI has no way to ID it.

Georger's challenge.. Challenge to FKYJACK RE- Frederick William Hahneman familial dna - Collect it, send it to the FBI via certified courier if they agree, and ask the FBI to compare it to their partial profile, as they did for Marla's (LD's) family member ... and see what you get. All you need it permission. Maybe do it through an attorney, a Federal atty, a Court order .... but try. Might save everyone a lot of time. Hahneman does have children in the US, he died in 1991 before the Cooper tie DNA thing, strangely just about same time Tina left witness protection aka the Eugene nunnery.. must be just a coincidence. The FBI isn't interested in suspects or really solving this case, though Hahneman was an FBI Cooper suspect. I have been working on a plan to go around the FBI... a long shot for sure. Some things are really tough to do from Canada..

"Yes exactly - it fits with how the bank employee said he packaged the bills in small random sized groups, no two groups the same amount, and wrapped each group with one or more rubber bands. He is dealing with a line of money on a tray. He is packaging the bills into groups or bundles (I believe he used the word "bundles") each bundle a different amount or number of bills, with one or more rubber bands applied to each bundle. No two bundles the same amount. " Georger, do you see the logic problem here.. and your error. the 3 TBAR packets were not random sized.. (as Carr and you believed) each TBAR packet did not have a different number of bills.. (one was missing a few), they were in 100's. The random sizing and rubber banding could only have been the groups of packets in the bundles. That is why I stressed the difference between packets (100 bills) and bundles.. You see you and Carr conflated packets and bundles. If you and Carr are correct and packets were random sized, how did the TBAR money get into 100's, non random sized. Either you and Carr or the bank guy was wrong or the TBAR money wasn't from Cooper. It wasn't random sized. The evidence from many sources indicates the money went to Cooper in packets of 100, rubber banded into random sized bundles. I don't accept your apology.

Georger, I never said it wasn't a good faith effort talking to the bank employee.. You guys misunderstood it, but instead of admitting it you, Shutter and others attacked/mocked me for pointing out your error.. You just can't admit you were wrong.. so you lied, you lied about what Tina said, you made up evidence to cover it and you've lied about me for years to discredit me.. Why, to protect your fragile ego. You have been wrong often and have never admitted it. Your ego is more important than the truth.

This stuff has all been discussed before.. with similar results.. but it doesn't indicate Cooper wasn't American or not born in the US, that is too strong, just somebody who had recent exposure to a foreign currency environment.. it isn't a fact, it is an indication. Remember, Tina also said Cooper told her "circulated US currency"... My point is there are some good people over there on shutter's forum, but a few who dominate have hardened positions that can't be challenged, not even with facts, new people accept it and defer to their "experience", they only have opinions, mostly wrong. People need to figure it out for themselves by working through accurate information in context. If you let anyone know you are looking into a suspect you will branded as a heretic, biased and to not be believed.

Yes, Georger I do have an agenda,, to pursue the truth. Your agenda is to use the Cooper case as your personal therapy... You lied again by misrepresenting the facts, I have acknowledged the bank employee and it has been discussed over and over.. you just fail at logic and intellectual honesty. The bank employee said he randomized and rubber banded the bundles. Larry Carr stated that each the three TBAR "bundles" were random counts.. WRONG, they weren't,, the groups of packets were randomized aka "bundles" NOT PACKETS. So, Larry Carr and Georger got this wrong for over a decade now and Georger still won't admit his error. When I was on Shutter's site I questioned this because it didn't make any sense, how did the money go to Cooper in packets of 100 bills rubber banded into bundles, then end up randomized?? They didn't, the term "bundle" was misunderstood. Georger's/Carr's argument.. A bank employee took 100 packets of 100 bills each and randomized them with rubber bands but magically they actually ended up on TBAR back in 100's.. (per packet).. Carr claimed each packet was randomized.. WRONG but I was told to shut up and stop posting.. nobody could see the problem but me. Georger's nonsense was just accepted.. The answer was Carr and Georger were wrong, the groups of packets were randomized and rubber banded.. not each packet, they were not opened. Now, Georger can't admit he got it wrong so he lies by mis-stating and reframing my position, ignoring the evidence I posted over and over.. and using personal attacks to discredit and distract. If that isn't toxic, what is it? Georger's utter nonsense aside. The REAL take away is the assertion that the money only arrived on TBAR as 3 separate "packets" is bogus. It could have just as likely arrived as one rubber banded bundle of multiple packets. That changes the means by which it could have arrived. Everyone was trying to figure out how 3 packets could land together on TBAR but separate... this is false. The money went to Cooper in packets rubber banded into random bundles, it is more likely the money landed that way as one bundle which opens up the means by which it could have arrived.

My frustration isn't directed at you or new people, it is directed at the misinformation and toxic environment at Shutter's site.. This case is extremely complex with overwhelming information that is both incomplete and conflicting, it is really tough to navigate.. If you have ideas they should be vetted properly, nobody looked at your examples or straightened out the argument. In the end, YOU can draw your own conclusion but without the facts and information you can't.. They failed you because they have stale case knowledge and hardened opinions. They want you to think like them, we'll they haven't accomplished anything. Don't let anybody shape your thinking in this case.. The Cooper case or "Vortex" is full of these things,, x indicates or suggest y.. after 50 years we still have few concrete facts.. we don't have Cooper speaking to check his actual words. I figured out from the FBI files that Cooper didn't initially ask for airstairs down on takeoff but lowered inflight.. Everyone got that wrong and most still won't admit it. The pilots and Tina used American/US.... it is rare to use in that context. It suggests a foreign/influence exposure, it doesn't prove it. WE don't have Cooper's exact words, we can only go on what we have been given.. Either Cooper said it or both the pilots and Tina independently added it. Cooper made the demand and rec'd the money before he mentioned Mexico.. the arg that it was added because Cooper also mentioned Mexico is bogus. How many of you would ask for "American/US" currency at the bank making a cash withdrawal? Would a local bank robber demand American/US currency?? and My suspect Hahneman was an electronics engineer... A swarthy, olive, Latin American who hijacked a 727 with a gun and a briefcase bomb, wearing a dark suit, overcoat, white shirt and narrow black tie, brown shoes and dark sunglasses, dark eyes, short dark wavy marceled/wavy hair, turkey neck, 49 yrs old, military flight crew experience and no accent, plus much more. Don't mention him over at Shutter's, they (the loud ones) don't respond to facts..

Shutter's complete lunacy... Shutter writes.. "Do I call you a liar now Fly? you and your buddy sling more insults while playing victim more than I can shake a stick at. "clowns, morons, East Berlin" the last one is funny. Robert whines about my forum when he shut the public out completely on a weekly basis and claims my forum is East Berlin lmao..he's the BIGGEST liar around and you share a bed with him..then when someone does something good for all you guys still pull out the hate card. the removal of the video's by Eric had NOTHING to do with Blevins what so ever. just more false allegation spewing out of his mouth. the same goes for members leaving here and turning into Greene or Gypsy..those guys have been around for years. far longer than most currently on this forum. I can make phony claims as well and say it's Blevins doing it or it's Greg? want to talk about Toxic? read 95% of Roberts posts! both of you purposely try to drive people away. then when you get mad both of you jump on the law suit train which derails almost as quick as it started. it's all very tiring and does no good for anyone..." Blevins rant.. Shutter clearly hates Blevins and tries to smear me with it.. I have nothing to do with what Blevins says or does.. I am not Blevins. Transferring your bad feelings for Blevins to me is juvenile and asinine.. it has nothing to do with me. YOU aka Shutter runs/owns a forum which enables and gives a platform for certain people to LIE and defame me and others, YOU aka Shutter are 100% legally responsible, and YOU aka Shutter control what is said on your forum. Your argument is essentially, you feel Blevins lies about you so it is OK for you to allow lies and defamation on your forum.. This has nothing to do with Blevins. You support a long term campaign of lies and defamation on your forum, you are 100% legally responsible, I am recording all of it. I am in a position now that I am forced to clear it up these stupid lies with third parties, it is a legit defamation case.. even if you are ignorant of the law. All I asked is that you end it.. I am not talking about criticism or disagreements, the personal attacks and outright lies have to end. If you don't do it, I will be forced to. You fail to recognize your legal liability and the toxic environment you have created. The toxic environment is entirely up to you but defamation, lies, stealing my content, using it out of context, personal smears and attacks against me won't be tolerated. It is now costing me time and potentially opportunities... Is it really too much to ask that you stop the perpetual lies, smears and distortions about me.. Your forum environment is toxic,, everyone knows it.. forum members don't feel free to express themselves without getting attacked or smeared. They rarely post or hold back for fear of getting attacked. A few people there have been the problem, the majority are fine. It can easily be addressed and improve your forum dramatically but you are in denial. I was attacked, ridiculed, told to shut up for posting FACTS... I was even physically threatened.. 3 members even conspired to get me removed because I didn't bow to them. I think due to content theft I have more posts on your site now after I left than 95% of your members. I wasn't the only one, almost everybody has been smeared to some degree. Eric even left but returned for PR.. Good riddance, I say. A toxic and disrespectful environment. You think that is normal? It isn't. It is a personal therapy for crazies.. You are allowing the few to destroy the value of your forum for everybody.. the respect I had for you aka Shutter has completely evaporated. If you got over your denial and projection, your forum could be great. I tried to warn you but your denial just turned to anger and you turned it on me.. you just can't handle the truth.

The $25,000 reward is a cool idea, there are already standing rewards out there but it gets PR for Eric and might produce a bill.. I have been looking for bills in the US and abroad.. I think I was even mocked for it when I mentioned it.. Interesting.. Eric claimed qualifying money with "American" or "US" was perfectly normal... he used it all the time. Nothing to it... Why didn't Eric say $25,000 "American" or "US".. because it would be out of context and rare.. just like Cooper.

I am forced to check Shutter's forum to correct Georger's lies and persistent nonsense. Shutter thinks making a false claim isn't lying... he is in denial. Georger just ignores evidence that doesn't fit his opinion... then blames others for his own incompetence and ignorance.. The "American currency" source was posted, Georger couldn't find it in the FBI docs and here after I posted it, and he ignores Cooper telling Tina "circulated US currency".. For the rubber band vs bank bands, all the evidence has been posted over and over Georger just ignores it.. he even lies about it.. for years. The bank employees claimed he randomized and rubber banded the bundles,, Larry Carr and Georger incorrectly assumed he was referring to the packets of 100 bills.. the randomized and rubber banded bundles were groups of packets.. the packets were NOT randomized, Larry Carr thought they were because he confused packets and bundles (groups of packets). The money went to Cooper in packets of 100 bills = $2000 each, those packets were rubber banded into randomized bundles. Georger can't get this, it requires he admit he has been wrong for over a decade. TBAR money found in three packet of 100 bills (one packet missing a few) in the same order as given to Cooper.. So, those packets were given to Cooper rubber banded into random bundles.. The rubber band found attached were fragments which have never been documented, they crumbled al fell apart.. So, my inquiry was..... did those rubber bands hold each packet or did they hold all three in a single bundle. Contrary to Georgers strawman,, the discussion wasn't whether rubber bands were used, it was whether they were holding together a single bundle of packets vs a bundle of packets. Some FBI agents have said the money was from one bundle and Cooper was given the money in bundles (of packets), one report was that one TBAR packet had no rubber band frags,, but I looked for details on the exact location of the rubber band frags and couldn't find anything. Those rubber band frags could have been holding together a single bundle of packets. Why important.. The common narrative is that the money arrived in three separate "packets" because it was found that way,, and the means by which money could arrive in three separate packets but together is limited. This isn't accurate, the money could have arrived as one rubber banded bundle (as it went to Cooper) the rubber bands holding together the three packets deteriorates and they fall apart slightly.. this opens up the means by which TBAR could have arrived. The bank sent a letter to the FBI saying the money was in bank bands 100 bills = $2000 per packet. Ralph Himmelsbach “There were 10,000 twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of 100 bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands.” Straps are another term for bank bands. Tosaw claimed paper bands and rubber bands.. Tina handled the money and said "bank type bands around each package". Here Georger lies.. to win an argument, he first misquotes Tina saying "bank bands" then claims "Tina meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked." This is a lie, Tina was not contacted, this is Georger's strategy to win an argument, lying is acceptable and winning more important than pursuing the truth. After catching Georger in this lie and me requesting clarification Georger shifted to plan B.. discredit and defamation,, since then he has engaged in a long term persistent defamation campaign against me. I have recorded all of it... evidence of a long term persistent defamation campaign and Shutter is 100% legally responsible. click to expand,, this is typical of Georger's lies (Tina comment) Georger is intellectually bankrupt and should never be taken seriously. He is a toxic element in the Cooper case. Sorry Shutter it is true, everybody knows it but you. He has smeared and lied about almost everybody to discredit them. Tina "bank type bands around each package"

You have the wrong argument.. the context.. I agree that the citizensleuths statement "non American" is a bit too strong. They may have got it initially from my posts years ago,, I made this argument many years ago because I am Canadian and travel to the US often, I always qualify US money in normal dealings with "American" or "US" automatically without even thinking because I operate in two currencies.. My argument way back wasn't about the use of the term "negotiable" or "circulated" which everybody has focussed on but the use of "American" from the pilots and "US", Tina citing Cooper. So, everybody has the argument wrong. It would be very rare for somebody with no foreign influence/experience to qualify a ransom demand with "American" or "US"... I use them interchangeably when dealing with US money.. Would a local bank robber demand American/US currency? Would a local granny go to the bank and ask to withdraw American/US currency? I checked three of your examples and all three were in a foreign context. They support my argument. I didn't cherry pick, I only looked at three and knew you didn't understand the argument. For Cooper, the context didn't seem to require qualifying the currency American or US.. unless he really wanted to go to Mexico. The point is a US resident with no foreign currency/influence exposure would not normally qualify the currency with the terms American/US.. it would be very rare. To Cooper... One argument is that the crew added "American" and Cooper never said it, possible, but the crew is also American why would they add the qualifier.. then Tina claimed Cooper later told her "circulated US currency",,, we have another example... The other argument by Georger is interesting but actually supports mine. Georger often gets arguments messed up. The argument is that he used American/US because he demanded to go to Mexico. Problem is his Mexico demand was after he received the money.. it indicates he may have actually wanted to go to Mexico. (initially) The use of American and US indicate Cooper indicates Cooper has some foreign exposure/influence.. he has been in an environment where qualifying currency with American/US is necessary... It does not mean he wasn't American or not American born... American money (global reserve) was is used in most countries all over the world alongside native currencies.. unlike the US where American/US currency is really the only one. Cooper was most likely exposed to a recent environment that used non US currency.... a foreign exposure/influence. It would be extremely rare for somebody who lived in the US their entire life and had no foreign currency experience to qualify the ransom demand with "American" or "US". The reason Cooper would use American/US was because either he felt the context required it or he was recently in an environment that required it and it was just an automatic phrase. Perhaps because most of you are Americans so you don't get this,, how often would you qualify to your own currency as American or US when the context didn't require it.

The money bank bands or rubber bands.. Georger is such a moron.. typical histrionics from clown boy. He doesn't understand the evidence, but worse he misstates my position so he can attack a strawman.. There were always rubber bands involved per Brian.. it was never rubber bands vs paper bands. YOU SCREWED UP THE PACKETS VS BUNDLES... for a decade.. Cooper rec'd packets of 100 bills, they were strapped and possibly rubber banded. Those packets were RUBBER BANDED into BUNDLES.. (many packets banded together) get it,, packets are 100 bills and bundles are groups of packets.. The TBAR money had frags of rubber bands, the question is,,, were those rubber bands from the BUNDLES or packets... the bundles were randomized NOT the PACKETS. The FBI has claimed the money was in order and from one bundle.. (group of packets) Georger has spent ten years getting this wrong and two years mocking me from a position of utter ignorance. Like herding kittens... The significance is,, if the rubber bands held together groups of packets then TBAR $ arrived as one bundle, just as it was given to Cooper. On the other side, if the TBAR $ arrived as 3 individual packets how did they get separated since they were given to Cooper grouped into random bundles. In other words, the rubber bands holding the groups of packets into bundles would have to have been removed. Georger still can't grasp the difference between a packet and a bundle.. Larry Carr got it wrong a decade ago and Georger still can't get it.

A water landing is a valid theory, I disagree that is the only or best theory based on my interpretations of the evidence and application of reason and logic.

You guys at Shutter's forum need to read my previous posts on the "American Currency".. FBI docs are cited, but it is clear none of you actually understand the argument. The crew used "American" currency and Tina used "US" currency... The point is it would be rare for somebody without foreign exposure to qualify a ransom demand with American/US.. It doesn't suggest Cooper wasn't American or even not born in the US.. it suggests he had some recent international exposure/influence, could be returning military. And bookman's argument wasn't even checked, his examples CONFIRM an international context. The opposite of his claim. LAZY LAZY LAZY...