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AAAANNNNND here we go............... L to R = Sept 71 / June 74 / Sep 74 Sept 71, money spot est 70-80 ft from river.. June 74, money spot est 70-80 ft from land.. (underwater) Sept 74, money spot est 40-50 ft from river.. . June 28/74.. close to record high water event,, far above the money spot. (70-80ft) A record flood event is not required for the river to reach the money spot, confirmed by reports in 1980. Dredge spoils were determined by the Corps of Engineers. They have very detailed records. Reports in 1980 - money was at high water line and sometimes underwater. YOU DO NOT NEED A FLOOD EVENT FOR WATER TO REACH THE MONEY SPOT. Palmer concluded money arrived within a year or so. Tom's diatom research indicates a spring only exposure to the Columbia R. The money was given to Cooper rubber banded in bundles of packets, there is no evidence the three packets arrived individually. It is more likely they arrived in a single bundle then fell apart as the rubber bands deteriorated. Conclusion, money went into the Columbia (as a single bundle) and onto TBAR in spring closer to 1980.. Spring 79 or maybe 78. "June 72 and 74? if they are not relevant then why are you posting them? " HUH,, I never said they weren't relevant, they show that the flood event was FAR above the money spot. Why is this hard to understand.. YOU DO NOT NEED THE 72 or 74 recorded flood events for the River to reach the money spot.. it is FALSE. It is confirmed by Palmer and reports in 1980. Eric's premise is that ONLY the 72/74 high water events after 71 reached the money spot. FALSE, FALSE, FALSE.. Eric needs this to be true for his narrative to work. It isn't.

Eric's premise is FALSE.. "OK. You may recall in an earlier post (Page 343, Reply #5144) that I stated that Tena Bar had had seven high-water events—defined as water levels that would reach the money find spot per 1980 standards —between June 1950 (approx. time Fazio’s purchased the property) and February 1980 (when the money was found)." This is exactly why I have been trying to nail down the exact spot. You do not need a "recorded" high water event to reach the spot. The money was found at the 1980 high water mark and was sometimes underwater.. (Reports in 1980) The evidence suggests it was deposited in Spring closer to 1980.

BREAKING... The dredge layer was identified by the Corps of Engineers...

Wow,, 2010 Columbia River bottom off Caterpillar Island 35 ft deep River mile 98.. TBAR is River mile 97.1-97.3 drifts downriver, must be right off TBAR.. looks sandy with small rocks and some garbage.. It looks like a water logged bundle of cash could easily get pushed down river. Is that a pop/beer can at about 5:28? Pop cans were found buried next to the Cooper money.

This is interesting,, a map dated "1971 09 19"... 9.5 weeks before the hijacking The map is huge so I zoomed and cropped it.. If Georger's Commodore 64 can't handle it,, nothing I can do... ...

Eric Ulis wrote... "What I do know is that if you want to see the precise money find spot today, punch 45.718551, -122.759407 into Google Earth and you're going to see the spot. I cannot speak to the accuracy of overlaying pictures from 30 years ago onto the GPS co-ords I have provided. Nonetheless, the old gravel road doesn't lie. And it didn't move." Eric is relying on images of a road from 1980.. nearly the entire road has been eroded into the River and YES, it has moved. At the money spot the old road is gone. That is why I have looked at many maps and multiple markers over the years. You can't determine the spot standing there today as everything has changed, including the road.

Water displacement from passing Freighter on Columbia River.. Water gets sucked out then rises.. hard to get perspective on level, it could be a two foot range..

Here is the 72 and 74 flood timeframe in June, the 21 ft floods are about 60-70 ft beyond the money spot. This indicates you don't require the extreme 72/74 flood event for the River to reach the spot. Much lesser high water events would reach the spot and that was confirmed in 1980 when the money spot was noted to be at high water mark and sometimes underwater.. The diatoms indicate the money went into the River in spring (fanned out), that could be 72 to 79..

It is an Abbott and Costello routine over there... you guys are arguing at cross purposes.. This is all you need to know.. Eric and I ID'd the same spot on 1980 images/video. Eric tried to get the GPS in person at TBAR. Very difficult now. I did it by triangulating many maps and using markers and Google Earth. Tom's co-ord is 200 ft South. The difference is the accuracy in transferring the location to a GPS co-ord. Checking the GPS co-ords on the map, mine is closer.. Eric is about 50 ft off. Tom 200 ft off. The white object isn't even relevant.

Everybody seems to agree on the spot in the 1980 images, the hard part is transferring those visuals to a GPS co-ord.. Here is a 1990 map and a USGS 7-26-1981 map on the right. Here is my spot, Eric's and Tom's GPS on Google Earth.. I checked and Google Earth's accuracy is about 2m.... Eric's GPS mark is about 50 ft from mine and Tom's spot is about 200 ft South of mine. The exact spot is the bottom point on the pin.. my pin is covering a tree. It is perfectly clear. I downloaded a 1981 USGS map, it is massive.

If we get GPS within 10 feet that is good enough and probably the best that can be achieved. Eric went to the location and took a GPS but the area has completely changed. When I put his GPS co-ords into a map, it looks off about 60 ft.. The problem is accurately converting the visual 1980 money spot location to a current GPS co-ord.. You can't be sure you are in the right spot at the location.. it is subjective and very difficult also GPS on maps can be slightly off. I have obtained a bunch of digital maps over the years and will triangulate.. Eric and I have the same spot visually ID'd on the 1980 images. It looks like his GPS co-ord is off that spot. When I mark the spot with a GPS on maps I get a different co-ord.

I did my money spot research without checking Tom's or Eric's spot first.. I just checked Eric's spot and he did get the spot right in the 1980 images,, exactly the same as my spot. However, the GPS co-ords he posted don't seem to match the spot he ID'd in the 1980 photos. Now, it is very tricky to get the exact GPS co-ords today for the 1980 environment. I am going to try to get more precise GPS co-ords.

EU (Eric) has the spot too far from the River.. which is why he pushing a flood event narrative. The actual spot was about 20 yards from the water in Feb 1980 on the high water line and sometimes underwater.. Palmer concluded it arrived within a year of the find. For the money to come from the River all you need is (normal) high water not a flood event.

Shutter is wrong the rock is visible during the dig in 1980 from many photo/vids. R99, I don't know what is going on there most of the time, the bent tree is clear. Eric is out to lunch most of the time. This isn't rocket science, this is simple stuff..

Gaping pit.. about 20 yards from water's edge.. showed the spot where Brian Ingram found the three packages of bills.. spot that is sometimes underwater as the River level fluctuates...

The ROCK is in both of the 1980 Heli shots... Eric is 100% wrong, he is on the N side of the tree and too far from the River, that makes his claim that it was underwater only twice, false. It was found on the high water line.

According to this article four fingerprint systems were used on the money.

I flipped the 1990 map to make them the same orientation. The angle isn't exactly the same but all the marks line up.. including the trees, rock and road. Eric's spot, (the lower yellow pin) is clearly about 40 ft too far N and 25 ft too far E. (away from the River) The same spot on a 1979 map..

Here is my "TBAR MONEY FIND" spot vs Eric's.. on a 1990 map. His spot is about 25 feet further E from the River and 40 feet North from my spot. NO way Eric is correct, it just does not match the tree pattern and other markers, whatsoever. My spot is close, it could be within 10 feet of the actual spot. It is near to the S side of the most Westerly tree. The key trees match the Sept 79 tree pattern and images from the 1980 money find time. Eric's spot is on the wrong side of the tree and too far from the river.

Here it is.. a newspaper article in the FBI files.. Palmer - there was "no conclusive evidence" that the money was in fact found three feet down, and surmised that it may have been deposited there in digging actions.

Palmer said (newspaper) they may have got buried during excavation and they weren't originally at depth. Palmer Report.. "The upper layer consisted of six inches to eight inches of reworked beach sand and is the sand which contained the fragments and bundles of the recovered money. This sand also contained soda pop cans and other debris, which were not severely damaged or rusted." Fazio's claimed money spot periodically underwater at high water...

I did my money find analysis completely independent of Shutter's, in fact I have never seen Shutter's analysis though I did know he thought Tom's spot was incorrect.. I have never done a deep dive into the exact spot until the Diatom info came up. My analysis includes many other image sources and measurements.. there is no other spot that matches that tree pattern/location. The tree next to the money spot is unique as it is the most W tree along the beach. The money was not in the river for very long based on diatoms, no more than several weeks. The money was found at the high tide line based on comments and analysis at the time it was found. The money washed up within a year, was found in top layer with other "fresher" debri. Palmer Report. The money did not go into the Columbia in November. Diatoms Columbia seasonal average flow.. Best fit for evidence,, combine the location, the diatom research and Palmer Report.. The money went into the River in Spring (closer to the find, likely 79) and was washed up onto TBAR relatively soon after in the same Spring. Theory, the three packets were one bundle discarded into the Willamette River in Spring of 79, they tumbled along the gravel bottom (Willamette) rounding off the saturated bundle while rubber bands remained intact. The rounded off single bundle of packets gets washed up on TBAR within 2-3 weeks of entering the River. The rubber bands holding the packets in a single bundle deteriorated and broke apart releasing the three packets to lay separate but touching. For the money to have been embedded in the R bottom, it would have had to have gone into the R in Spring, become entirely embedded almost immediately then get released in Spring. Possible I guess but not very likely. IMO, the dredge is out.

Debri doesn't have to float on the top to get washed ashore. Almost anything not embedded into the bottom can get washed ashore. The money would have been suspended in the water.. enough force and it gets washed up. The highest seasonal flow for the Columbia is in Spring. Here is part of my analysis for the TBAR spot, there is more involved from many other images and videos but this is the only spot that fits the tree pattern. The spot is very very close. This is North of the find looking S. This is the money spot. This is the pattern of the trees. This is the only match to the tree pattern on a map, 09/29/1979. .

The takeaway from info at the time of the find is that the money was found at the current (Feb 1980) high tide line not above,, You don't need the 72 or 74 flood event.. that is a red herring. It could have been deposited by normal high water. Tom's diatom work indicated a spring, not the year. Palmer's conclusion was within a year of the find.. the money was found in the top layer with "fresher" debris. The evidence indicates money went into the River and onto TBAR in Spring time closer to the find in 1980.

After I had Id'd a spot, I measured the distance from the red dot to water's edge via Google earth and overlays = about 20 yards / 60 ft (Map is dated 9/29/79) This article.. "A gaping pit, about 20 yards from the water's edge, showed the spot where Brian Ingram found the three packages of bill's Sunday" "spot that obviously is sometimes under water as the river fluctuates"