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Well, Georger is correct and Eric is wrong... The T-33 went West on a training mission then intercepted 305 at Lake Oswego and turned South, not NNW of Portland. Also. F-106's did not have visual but had contact on radar. T-33 noticed 305 flying in a course change.. Control confirmed 45 degree change every 30 seconds. This may explain the slightly erratic FBI map, since it is plotted points the 30 second course changes would show. T-33 pilots.

Maybe the transcript redactions are communications with the chase planes.. It wouldn't be relevant or within FOIA..

Robert, your TBAR theory loses me when Cooper throws the money into the River to be found.. money thrown into the River would never be expected to be found. The other forum.. everybody is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole... neither the diatom research nor any other information indicates the Spring 72 river exposure or burial timeframe.. In fact, the Palmer report concludes burial within a year of the money find. The money was found in the top layer with debris "not severely damaged or rusted". and there is no evidence that the 3 packets landed on TBAR separately aka NOT in a single rubber banded bundle as it was given to Cooper. Columbia River seasonal streamflow...

I watched his video... he is spinning far out of reality to maintain his collapsed narrative.. My advice to Eric,,, Take the "L" He won't, he is all in, but that is OK...

Kaye's Diatom research indicates the money went into the River and was deposited on TBAR in Spring around May. It doesn't indicate which year from 1972 to 1979. The Palmer report concluded the money landed on TBAR within a year or so of the discovery. Combining the diatom research and the Palmer report they suggest Spring of 78 or 79. I have long argued that the money likely arrived as one single rubber banded bundle of packets and not as three separate packets. Other than Cooper, only one person is known to have handled the ransom money also lived near the River upstream of TBAR in 78/79. Also, the St John's dump was right on the Columbia Slough about 6 miles upstream of TBAR.. if the money somehow got thrown into the dump and ended up in the slough it could end up on TBAR. Those are two of my theories that fit..

There is a theory it does support...

Tom Kaye has published his Diatom research.. everyone should read it.. here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-70015-z Conclusions.. It closely matches a May - June timeframe, not November. Cooper didn't land in River. Rules out western flight path or human burial theories. It indicates a May-June submersion away from the November hijacking timeframe.

The Placard.. First, there is no confirmation it came from NORJAK, IMO it is unlikely but possible. Even the FBI walked back the claim by the Sheriff. The Placard was found right on the FBI flight path, it was within the 1 mile error rate. For the 100th time, the FBI winds were an ESTIMATE (FBI WORD) based on an average over an hour from 8-9 from Portland and Salem data. Portland is about 40 miles away and Salem about 70 miles.. This is far from the Placard location. There is no data for the Placard area. The closest is Toledo which had wind from the S at 8:00.. even Portland had wind from SE at 7 PM. Seattle wind was SSE at 8 PM. Tom Kaye's wind balloon data doesn't really help.. SALEM and W of SEATTLE, not even close. The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis. TOM KAYE I have posted the files for this over and over,, If the Placard came from NORJAK then it indicates the wind was likely from the S at that location 8:04-8:05 PM. It does not prove a western flight path because the wind direction used is not a fact.. it is a guess. There is no data showing the wind at the Placard location... it is a guess. The wind throughout the area was shifting between SE to SSW between 7-9 Winds can change in a short distance and time, using an average of Portland and Salem data as a proxy is ridiculous.. https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-124.04,46.85,3000 In fact, the FBI amended their original wind direction and shifted it to the South created a new rotated search area for the LZ still far South of the Placard.

Eric is making it up from this report...

Stop accepting this garbage.. these aren't all facts. A mix of conjecture and guessing. This isn't a valid argument. it is a bumper sticker. Ulis writes.. Facts:1) We know where the money was found.2) We know where the placard was found.3) We know where the fiberglass skirt was found.4) We know the altitude of the jet.5) We know the direction of the wind at various altitudes.6) We know the speed of the wind at various altitudes.7) We know that nothing has ever been found in the FBI search area after nearly 50 years. 1 yes 2 We don't know if the Placard was from Norjak. It was never confirmed. The FBI walked it back. 3 We don't know what part was found or where it came from,, 4 yes 5 We don't know the wind direction at the Placard location. Toledo closest, wind was from the S. FBI estimated the wind based on Portland and Salem.. far away. 6 We don't know the wind speed at the Placard location. 7 We don't know that nothing was found.. nothing has been reported confirmed.

Western Flight Path is dead... stick a fork in it. Portland radar operator, East of the center of V23. Ammerman was watching the less accurate Salem.. The chase aircraft following 5 miles behind veered East then made a right turn.. small airfield marked with parachute, marked on map just N of Orchards would be close to where the unsub left the plane. This matches the FBI map.. and rules out the Western flight path. Ammerman confirmed sending the chase planes E just N of Portland. It was after Cooper was thought to have left the plane. (before 8:15) lights of Portland... in FBI file It just occurred to me that if Cooper could see the lights or glow of Portland/Vancouver he probably would not jump into an urban area.. a knock against a Columbia R jump.

Some things.. The original Cooper thread (2008) here that was locked is no longer locked. https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/55701-d-b-cooper-unsolved-skyjacking/page/68/ FBI.. DB Cooper file #49 is posted https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper%20/d.b.-cooper-part-49-of-49/view

This is the original DB Cooper thread that was locked..

While the forum gets distracted.. I have been organizing all my Cooper files, big job. I found this and it should be interesting for everyone.. A 2008 news article quoted... Dennis Levanen, who lives in the Heisson area, said he vividly remembers the airplane flying directly over his house on Thanksgiving Eve in 1971. He quibbles with the FBI’s flight path of the airplane, noting that it appears several miles west of where it actually flew. “It was just huge and roaring,” he said. “It was under a lot of power to keep it airborne, going as slow as the guy demanded.” https://web.archive.org/web/20080402013303/http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2008/03/03282008_Chute-opens-speculation.cfm He is saying the FBI path was a few miles West of his house. I found his house is right in line with the Heisson store along the same path direction but a few miles East of the FBI path.. THIS RULES OUT THE WESTERN FLIGHT PATH. The Heisson Store is around the 8:12-8:13 time along flightpath. Blue line chute found, never physically checked. Red line is rail line runs next to Heisson store that was broken into.

Cooper gave the name "Dan Cooper", "D B" was an error by the media.

McNally audio interview 2 parts.. https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/18/edward-j-mcnally-former-hijacker https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/25/martin-j-mcnally-former-hijacker-part-2 He lost the money in the jump and vowed to do it again.. got arrested. It was his first jump. He gave generous $$$ to stew..

There are a bunch of pages starting at FBI p 5111 in FBI file part 17 https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper Elsinore pops in an OCR search in .. FBI Part 48, 40, 34, 33, 30, 20, 19 and 17

Right, it is my fault for you not reading it. I quoted it for context responding to a question from CooperNWO305. My comments had nothing to do with Bruce's piece, he just summarized all the sketches and that was what CooperNWO305 was referring to. It wasn't posted for YOU to distort and crap all over.. If he has something wrong in that piece point it out, otherwise you are discrediting yourself whether you have a legit beef or not.

The Vortex podcast.. Drew Beeson on Ted Braden https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com One thing he has wrong and many others have got wrong is the "negotiable American currency" line.. The word "negotiable" isn't the point.. It is "American" and yes the crew said it. The argument is the crew just added it. Possible, but strange as they are American. Tina said Cooper told her later "circulated US currency"... So, we have "US" and "American" added to describe the money in two different instances. That is strong. What does it mean. If Cooper qualified the money as US/American and it looks like he did, then that would be very rare for somebody in the US who has no experience with another currency to say. It suggests Cooper had exposure to a foreign currency, it doesn't mean he was Canadian or a foreign national. He could have been military or a traveller.. but Cooper had some exposure outside the US probably recently. He had an international influence of some sort. And that would actually include Braden.

You don't have to do anything but you discredit yourself when you say "get real". Bruce accurately summarized the sketches. My comment on the sketches has nothing to do with Bruce's article. It is all mine. You have used your beef with Bruce to discredit my post, you didn't realize that Bruce's article has nothing to do with my post because you didn't even read his piece before discrediting it.

Can you show anything in Bruce's article that is incorrect? (the stuff I posted is my own, not from Bruce's article)

No, The FBI admitted the evidence was so weak that they did not have a case without Cooper cooperating. The FBI's role is to bring a case to the prosecutor, not throw out a public solution. The prosecutor decides whether to go forward or not, if they decide not to it is never made public. Even if the FBI investigated a suspect that was actually Cooper they may not have had a case (without cooperation) or the prosecutor may have rejected it. We would never know.

Bruce Smith has pulled together a summary of the sketches.. https://themountainnewswa.net/2020/06/29/db-cooper-a-retrospective-on-the-development-of-the-sketches/ Sketch "B" is the best likeness of Cooper based on the process and FBI statements. Sketch "A" was done very quickly, within days with either 2 or 3 stews together,, this is rare and can be problematic. The witnesses can influence each other. Dated Nov 30.. Having the stews interviewed together is more complicated and can create a biased sketch. Flo did not like the first sketch. https://www.theiai.org/docs/ForensicArtGuidelinesSGFAFI1stEd.pdf p 15 3. The group sketch approach: a) In rare instances, successful sketches have been completed as a result of a group interview. This collaborative approach is accomplished simply by having multiple witnesses present for a single interview, all providing input for a single image. Because of the inherent complications that this technique can add to the process, it should be undertaken by an experienced composite artist rather than a beginner. Care should be taken to minimize the influence that a dominant personality witness may have over a less assertive one, a condition which could suppress valuable information. Logic would dictate that the most practical use of a multiple-witness interview would be for one event that all of the witnesses observed, as opposed to a series of incidents involving the same perpetrator. The FBI determined in 1976 that witnesses had begun to rely on the sketch rather than memory.. Sketch B was created to add age, the olive/latin complexion and tweak some characteristics. Most believed sketch "A" was too young looking. Sketch B was done in a more comprehensive way over a longer period of time.. The FBI states that sketch "B" was the best likeness of Cooper. Anybody claiming sketch "A" is better will have a tough time going against this FBI document. Takeaway,, Sketch "B" is the best likeness and with time witness memories became less reliable. With that, any sketch is a general likeness.

FBI.. witness memories became corrupted by the sketch. 1976 “A review was made of investigation conducted to date and the possibility of redoing any of same. Reinterview of witnesses at this time was considered to be unproductive as this has been continuous upon various displays and it was felt that at this time they were now relying on artist's conceptions rather than individual memory."

Cooper asked for "small bills" according to this FBI 302,,,