FLYJACK

Good point, I meant to be more general and say "midwest".. rather than Pa.. Asking for some money and taking it by hand is possession whether it is returned or not. Flo claimed Tina was hiding something... Tina was the only one acting sheepish. You are relying on your assumption of Tina's motives and behaviours to discount, you know none of those. So, what evidence is there to support Tina's claim,, all I read are lots of baseless assumptions..

That is just false, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard in court. If you adhered to this in an investigation then NO THEORY could ever be investigated, it is a self defeating paradigm. You are making the mistake everyone does, you assume a theory must proven as fact to pursue it. << this is irrational. This is a theory, it is not fact. I have already covered the circumstantial evidence that supports this theory.. Tina asked for and took possession of the ransom money. Tina's excuse for its return and the timeline doesn't make sense. Tina is the only known person to possess any ransom money other than Cooper. Cooper offered the other stews ransom money much later as they left. It appears Tina has something resembling the size/shape of packets in her coat pocket. Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. The only Cooper money ever found. The TBAR money find is consistent with somebody tossing it in the Columbia River a few miles upstream and within a few years prior to its discovery. Money washing up on a place called Tena Bar is just a coincidence. The money was not planted or ever meant to be found. The money was found far from Cooper's LZ with no obvious means of natural transport. Tina's body language was very sheepish, head low and avoidance,, right after the hijacking. Tina had emotional/mental issues around the time and after the money was discovered. Tina hid out for years in isolation in what some describe as "witness protection".. There is ZERO evidence to confirm Tina's claim that she handed back the money. During the hijacking Tina developed a good relationship with Cooper. Both were from Pa (midwest). (I don't believe they knew each other before the hijacking) Finally, the Cooper case was a big failure for the FBI, they relied extensively on Tina, if she was compromised that may explain it. If Tina did keep the money she took from Cooper and discarded later, the entire case makes sense..

You have it backwards,, there is no evidence to support Tina's claim that she returned the money to Cooper.

What I believe it completely irrelevant... You can see that there is a bulge in Tina's coat pocket, we don't know what is in there.. it is something. Remember, Tina asked for some ransom money and TOOK it into her possession. She claimed she then returned it citing a company policy not to accept gratuities, yet she took it. That is the only money we know of that was separated from the ransom money. It is the only ransom money we now of that was in the possession of somebody other than Cooper. Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. TBAR money is the only Cooper money to be found. The only "evidence" that Tina returned the money to Cooper is her claim, there is nothing else to confirm it.. Only Cooper and Tina know the truth. Back then Tina's story was just accepted. Today, that would never happen. It is completely irresponsible to NOT consider this as a theory for the TBAR money. Anybody that says they don't accept this are rejecting a theory based on speculation... there is zero evidence to reject it. The right answer is obvious, you don't fully reject or fully accept it. It is a theory. Too many Cooper sleuths operate in a binary mode, accept or reject based on conjecture.. they ignore the 3rd option. NEITHER. The case never advances without vetting theories, something went wrong with this investigation early that undermined the case. The most important witness used by the FBI was Tina, IF she was compromised the investigation was doomed.

I figured it out,, It is the Cooper Vortex, it drives people insane.. they abandon all reason and humanity. Shutter just said that making intentionally false claims is not lying.. huh, what.. Once the Vortex gets you,, there is no return. If you can get out now, run. It is world of crazy.. and it is coming for you. Scientology has nothing on the power of the Vortex...

UNSURELOCK,, Contrary to Shutter's BS assertion, I am not the spammer.. Now Shutter is just making up stuff.. They could have pointed out the relevant facts below but chose to lie instead. One of the stews thought Cooper was wearing prescription sunglasses. Of course Hahneman wore prescription glasses and used dark PLASTIC RIMMED sunglasses for his hijacking..

Let's count Georger's lies, he is incapable of reason so he always resorts to lies.. per Georger.. The FLYJACK Tina/Cooper Money Theory:* Tina and Cooper were lovers. Met when Cooper was a janitor in Tina's high school back in Pennsylvania. LIE* Tina responsible for the money plant at Tina Bar. LIE* Tina was given money by Cooper on the plane TRUE - evidence is bulging pocket in Tina's coat pocket seen in post high jacking photo at Reno. MAYBE, there is other evidence* Tina knows the fate of DB Cooper due to her personal relationship with him. LIE* Tina was co-conspirator with Dan Cooper in the Cooper skyjacking. LIE* Tina confided to Rataczak and FBI she and Dan Cooper had a prior relationship. LIE* FBI knows Tina was co-conspirator in the DB Cooper hijacking. LIEThere will be more Tina Mucklow - Frederick Wm Hahneman (DB Cooper) revelations. Presented by the famous crime solver expert: FLYJACK aka BULLJAX. LIE Lies, lies, lies... why does Shutter put up with your crap... you are toxic to his forum and the case in general. Seven lies out of eight claims... over a decade into the Cooper case and you've got nothing, accomplished nada.. but stale case knowledge (you can't even get the facts straight) and lies to protect your fragile ego..

No Georger, pay attention,,, maybe, you might solve something. You got the timeline completely screwed up before when I laid it out earlier. The evidence indicates the other stews were OFFERED ransom money (packets) much later as they left.. not that they took it.. Cooper was alone with Tina for some time.. when she took the money and claimed to return it and after the other stews left the plane. BTW,, Tina claimed she handed back the money claiming it was against company policy,, then later Cooper offered the other stews ransom money and all of them a measly tip, if Tina told Cooper no gratuities then why did he offer it again.

Coat, deep left front pocket,, she has her hand in there in one pic and a bulge in the other pic.. a money packet is 0.5" thick. I don't think that any of the crew was "involved" in the hijacking. I am just exploring a theory,,, that Tina didn't return the money to Cooper and kept it, she or somebody close to her discarded it into the Columbia R around 1978/79 when she resided several miles upstream of TBAR.. money washed up on TBAR. There would have been nothing wrong with taking the money from Cooper, it has happened in other hijackings.. but it was returned. Maybe, it just never came up.. Everyone just accepted Tina's story about returning the money, to me it sounds sketchy. Only two people know the truth, Cooper and Tina. Today, the FBI would never just accept that story.. back then they put Tina on a pedestal and used her testimony to guide the case, big mistake if she was compromised. BTW: I am super excited to have resolved a 45 year old mystery, not Cooper but another case I have been working on. The affected parties are trying to find an equitable resolution.. At some point it will probably make the news. This one is really cool...

People do crazy things... never assume you know what somebody would do or not do, she did ask for some ransom money and handled it. Tina handled the only known money to be separated from the ransom,,, until TBAR. I am sure she has a good explanation for the bulge in her coat pocket that looks like packets of money.

Nope, she is carrying a purse...

Good idea,, Ask Tina what was in her coat left pocket?

Plane tracked by AF...

Apparently some passengers did figure out there was a hijacking...

Cooper was right handed.. I tested this on lots of people,, walking to a (bathroom) door with a case and a hand inside holding something. 100% used their dominant hand to hold the object inside the case. The less dominant hand supports the case. If Shutter doesn't use his dominant hand to hold the bomb while walking to a lav he is mistaken or an oddball and just blew up the plane.. For control while walking you want your dominant hand securing the bomb as you move. When you stop you can use your dominant hand to open the door or do whatever.. The tie clip doesn't go on left or right handed,, the side is determined by the shirt. Men's shirts button on right, women's usually on left. Cooper's tie was clipped on from right. The other point I made before was that Cooper would have sat on the left side of the plane if he was left handed to have his dominant left hand in the case. He sat on the right with his right hand in the case, even if Cooper couldn't sit on the left immediately he could have sat anywhere he wanted to once the hijacking started. You don't pick the side to sit based on your right/left handedness. You pick a side based on using your dominant hand to hold a bomb trigger with the case placed on that side. IMO, the FBI knows if he was right or left handed but isn't disclosing it.

Cooper was right handed,, he had his right hand in the case when he carried it to the lav. Dominant hand in the case while carrying.. Looks like this came from Tina.. THE ATTACHE CASE WHEN HE WAS MOVING TOWARDS THE LAVATORY. HE WAS CARRYING THE CASE ON ITS SIDE IN HIS LEFT HAND WITH HIS RIGHT HAND IN THE CASE." The context is the FBI page number 2859 Edit,, I just noticed in this doc Cooper wore ankle length shoes... that isn't loafers..

Blowing up a plane was a common method for making a political statement.. that is terrorism. Hijacking for ransom using the threat of a bomb is altogether different. Cooper was not making a political statement. He was after the cash.. Cooper's use of a (dead man switch) bomb was tactical to thwart potential sky marshal's or being shot by a sniper.

I think that came from Jo Weber,,, aka completely unreliable.

Of course Georger has it wrong,, big surprise,,, Hijacker's shifted to using bombs to thwart the increasing deployment of sky marshals. Bombs were not necessarily political but a tactical progression. A bomb with a deadman switch neutralized any potential sky marshal.. Cooper wasn't making a political statement, he just wanted $200,000... Cooper saw an opportunity he thought he could pull off and went for it. .

Raleigh's were mid level, not premium. They were marketed and bought for the coupon program. Cooper's were filtered 85mm. BTW, 8 cigs were found, 7 Id'd as Raleigh and one assumed.. Were any the one Tina smoked?? The context of my research has been Hahneman.. He demanded 2000 Benson and Hedges, a premium brand.. but he had a pack of Viceroy's filtered 85mm on him.. Viceroy's were equivalent to Raleigh's, the difference was the marketing. Prior to 1970, Viceroy smokers were mostly women,, in 1970 Viceroy changed its marketing and sponsoship toward men.

Darren's podcast's are stellar.. It is always beneficial to listen to views especially ones you don't agree with.. The most important thing is not what other's conclude but why and how they reached that conclusion. It makes one a better thinker.. Many conclusions are the result of flawed reasoning and logic..

There is one caveat.. The chute description of all white came from Cossey.. Cossey may been wrong if the chutes were mixed up.. The orange and white chute found in the river next to the rail tracks a mile from Heisson store might have been Cooper's. (if Cossey was wrong) The FBI dismissed it for being the wrong colour..

BOOM... I figured this out long ago,,, Hahneman wore dark sunglasses for his hijacking. One of the stews thought Cooper may have had prescription lenses...

You guys are blind, there is a subtle left part in this pic.. A heavier Hahneman from his passport photo.. Clear part on the left. There are also pics of hair slicked back flat.. even short and forward. I have about a dozen pics of Hahneman and he looks like 4 different people,, his weight fluctuated greatly and his hair style changed.. his face changed from fat to thin back to fat.. he was diagnosed with cancer in 1971. FBI suspect sketches..

The description was slipons, no laces, but they might not have been, some have really high laces and look like slipons, there was also a low ankle boot with no laces. Those soles were called commando soles... they began in the 1940's. Many different shoes had them or copied them.. I had a pair of Doc Martins in the 1980's that had the commando soles but looked like dress shoes.. There were many like this.. a low ankle boot, no laces and commando sole. Would look like a slipon... If Cooper was jumping an ankle boot similar to this makes the most sense. IMO. I found vintage loafers with commando sole..