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Hayden's chute is marked as evidence. he only got one chute back....seems pretty simple to me? Simple question.. Which one of Hayden's chutes did Cooper take? The one left on the plane or the one Hayden got back?

Hardly, I am tired of childish, idiotic, incoherent and false comments from positions of ignorance.. Keep that crap over there.

Get a grip R99, you are out of control and confused again. YES, Al Lee brought the chutes to the plane and Tina brought them on board. I said that already. I am speculating based on several factors that perhaps the McChord chutes were brought to the plane before that and the chutes from Tina were the replacements Cooper asked for. Use your noodle.. For Cooper to reject chutes he believed were coming from McChord he must have seen them. He could only have seen them if they were brought to the plane earlier. Larry Finegold's claim which was always discounted makes sense in this context.

Ground elevation where chute was found 400ft. If Cooper's chute deployed in 200 ft of exit,, What is the drift from 9400 ft. elevation? The chute was found about 4.5 miles NE from flightpath which had a half mile error plot. It lines up with 20:12-20:13: time. Is 4 - 4.5 miles drift NE within a drift zone from 9400ft? assume SW wind at 25-30 mph. Did a quick/rough calc and max distance looks to be 3 - 3.5 miles.. It is close.. the variable is the precise location of the airplane.

Totally irrelevant, could be confusion by the FBI in the summary or maybe both of Hayden's were left on the plane if there were two chute deliveries to the plane. That document doesn't show anything other than confirming that both of Hayden's chutes were left somewhere and not taken by Cooper. The packing card being new before Cossey packed Hayden's chute is irrelevant, meaningless. The chute at WSHS is a lost leader, Hayden's chute was repacked 2X after Hayden got it back and the card signed, if the S/N 226 was wrong wouldn't those packers have noticed and checked. It still doesn't matter both of Hayden's chutes are accounted for.. no way around it. FACT Is,, both of Hayden's are accounted for, COOPER DIDN'T TAKE EITHER. What I am trying to sort is which other one he took. Either Cossey's or McChord's but I am leaning toward McChord's based on Finegold's statement.

Himmelsbach claimed Cooper demanded chutes from McChord. per FBI doc, Cooper was expecting chutes from McChord. News reports were that he rejected the McChord chutes due to opening system. So, if he was expecting chutes from McChord then when did he reject them, he must have seen them to reject them and request others. How could go from expecting chutes from McChord to rejected them without seeing them. If you wanted 2 chutes for a hostage, wouldn't the best chute for a hostage be an AAD equipped chute,, Larry Finegold had indicated an FBI agent he knew brought chutes onto the plane. These may have been the McChord chutes. Larry finegold.. "It was not long after the jet landed that Finegold became perhaps the first passenger to learn what was really going on. A man boarded the plane and came down the aisle. Finegold recognized him as an FBI agent he’d worked with before on federal cases. “He said, ‘Larry, there’s a skyjacker on the plane, and we’re gonna get you off the plane in a couple minutes,’ then he walks [toward the rear of the cabin] because I think there was an exchange,” Finegold said. “This was happening behind me. [The FBI agent] was bringing on the money and the parachutes." My current theory,, subject to change.. Cooper asked for chutes from McChord. They were delivered to the plane. They had AAD. Cooper demanded replacements with manual opening. Tina brought the replacements.. Hayden's. Cooper ended up using one of the McChord chutes. The FBI was looking for the wrong chute... The chute found in the south Fork Lewis R one mile from the general store and right next to the railroad may have been the chute Cooper used. It was rejected by the FBI and not collected. If Cooper did use an AAD chute and opened nearly immediately, what would the drift have been???

I am moving on to figure out the chute Cooper did take,, if people can't see that there is no way he took either of Hayden's I can't waste anymore time on what I already know to be settled, everything is posted to figure it out. Now, I found information to suggest there were two parachute deliveries to the plane. For Cooper to reject the chutes from McChord he had to have seen them. They may have been placed on the plane earlier and Tina brought the replacement back chutes on with the fronts. The FBI is hiding info and engaged in disinformation... they may have been doing it intentionally to keep chute info secret or they may have completely screwed this up.. I now think it is possible Cooper used a McChord chute with an AAD and probably contained a beeper.

YIKES, this is so simple. You guys have completely missed this for almost a decade and still can't see it right in front of you.. 60-9707 is only 6 digits...Steinthal in photo is 66-12982 consistent with most chutes. 226 matches nothing and proves nothing given those numbers... 60 = the year of the chute manufacture (not fabric manufacture), 9707 and 12982 is the S/N sequence number consistent with Steinthal parachute numbering system. The 226 is the S/N for the chute returned to Hayden, it is probably not a Steinthal chute. The FBI docs I've already posted match the S/N 226 for the chute returned to Hayden in 1975 to the one returned to Hayden. There is no question that the S/N for the chute returned to Hayden is 226. << that number suggests it is not a Steinthal. The packing card appears to be a new one with Hayden's chute. no others packed it prior to Cossey? the date on the strap pf Hayden's chute states APRIL 4/57 while the card states SEPT 9/57. that's also wrong. the "226" is carried over from the description above it..."26' ripstop conical 226" The packing card is not new, the reverse side has it packed by Cossey May 21, 1971.. I assume the card can be replaced anytime a chute is legally repacked. There is no issue there. Completely irrelevant. It was packed prior to NORJAK. I explained the problem with the misreading of descriptors on the packing card above, it is irrelevant, the data is correct you can see it on the card, if you still can't get it I can't help you. The date on the strap is for the harness not the parachute,, the parachute date is on the card Sept 1957. It is all there, you just can't see it for some reason. COOPER DID NOT USE EITHER OF HAYDEN"S CHUTES.. PERIOD, there is no way around it. So did he take Cossey's or McChord's,,, I may have figured that out,,,, The FBI has been looking for wrong chute, at least publicly.

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/11/26/archives/hijacker-collects-ransom-of-200000-parachutes-from-jet-and.html "The parachutes, which are not, in ordinary use in commercial air travel, proved another problem. Two military models were found at McChord Air Force Base in Tacoma and rushed to the Seattle field. When the hijacker learned that military models were being supplied, he demanded that sport models be made available instead. These were found at a nearby airfield used by sky divers. The difference In the two kinds of parachutes—a difference that was to prove significant later in the evening—is that the military models open automatically after about 200 feet whereas users of sports chutes can free fall as long as they like before pulling the ripcord."

I doubt we had anything else other than Hayden's chutes and Cossey's chest packs and a bunch of confused agents writing things down...the first part of the serial numbers also don't always reflect the manufactured year...the pink parachute serial number is 58-53912 and was manufactured in 1959. the number doesn't start with 59.... WRONG,,,, 58-53912 ,,, 58 = year 1958 for the year of fabric manufacture. The year of chute manufacture is 1959. The date for fabric manufacture can be a year prior to the chute manufacture date but usually they match. That is the Steinthal system.. The parachute drama seems to never end... 1) 226 is not a "serial number' nor is 9/57 WRONG.. 226 is the serial number and 9/57 is the date of manufacture for the chute returned to Hayden. Look at the packing card from Hayden's chute. It is irrefutable. 2) the Steinthal mentioned is the canopy itself and not the container and is not included in the evidence sheet. Steinthal canopy is 60-9707 consistent with a 1960 manufacture date and Steinthal serial numbering system. 3) one documents states it's a pioneer and the other a Steinthal. The one left on the plane is a Steinthal. The FBI screwed up the data descriptors for "S/N", "TYPE" and "DATE" but the data is correct. If you look at the packing card the descriptor is below the line, but it can easily misread as above the data. They just got the descriptor wrong based on a poorly designed packing card.

Back in 1970, the emergency bailout rigs with Auto Opening Devices can work on timers... News reports claimed Cooper rejected McChord chutes because he wanted a manual release. One news report claimed Cooper rejected because he wanted a manual release.. They weren't static line, they had to be AOD's... the static line reports were wrong. There is no way McChord would even consider static line chutes. The big question,, Did Cooper use one from Cossey or McChord??. He rejected the one from Hayden and left it. For some odd reason the FBI docs are missing info on the delivery and "rejection" of the McChord chutes..

Here is a random Steinthal chute,,, Manufactured 1966 serial number 66-12982, format is "66" = year Back chute Cooper left on plane serial number 60-9707 manufactured 1960 is consistent with Steinthal serial number system. The one Hayden got back was S/N 226 manufactured 1957. These are two different chutes, both Hayden's. What did Cooper jump with? A 24' Pioneer emergency rig 1946. 24' bailout rigs wasn't rare, I found a bunch through the 60's.

The aft airstairs is not a true "red herring", the take away is that Cooper was not familiar with their operation. He was not a 727 "expert" or an informed Boeing employee. He may have had exposure to another aircraft likely military with rear ramp controls in cockpit, I am looking for that.. "Negotiable currency" has no significance to me.. The pilot used "American" and Tina recalled Cooper later said "US" currency.... that is significant. It suggests that Cooper had "recent" experience with foreign currency. It would be very rare for somebody who has never left the US to use "American" or "US" to define the only money they ever experienced... that is something that somebody with foreign currency experience would do. IMO, Cooper likely had significant and recent exposure to foreign currency outside the US.

You are the one claiming to read minds claiming it was the beepers... the news articles claimed it was the static line chutes. The FBI documents confirm that Cooper believed the chutes were coming from McChord.. So, how does Cooper go from expecting chutes from McCord to rejecting them??

You say "probably"... that is just a wild guess... media reported they were rejected because they were static line, that makes no sense. No way McChord would consider static chutes for a commercial 727.. Granted, we know very little about the McChord chutes.. Were they actually sent? Cooper expected the chutes from McChord so when did he reject them? Did he see them? How did he know they needed to be rejected after he commented they were coming from McChord,, none of it makes any sense. The FBI is hiding something. Himmelsbach also claimed Cooper requested chutes from McChord??

Maybe it has something to with beepers,,, the static line chute refusal seems like disinformation to me.. is the FBI hiding info.. Hahneman got chutes from Andrews AFB and they were equiped with beepers.. remember this odd FBI document.. and this one, two back packs military olive drab green containers... that doesn't match Hayden's pair or Cossey's back chutes claims. An error or could these have been from McChord..

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That is the deal,, no way they send static line chutes to a commercial 727 and hard to believe they didn't have bailout rigs available..

I can't see McChord considering or sending static line chutes for a 727 hijacking.. it just doesn't make sense.. obviously a commercial jet is not equipped for static line. So, how could Cooper reject them.. Either they sent chutes that weren't static line (maybe AAD?) or they didn't send any and couldn't find any that were not static line, but that doesn't seem likely.

The C-130 had rear ramp controls,, Did it also have cockpit ramp controls??

Cossey claimed the (NB6/8) back chute Cooper took was sage green container and sage green harness... Cossey was looking for a sage/sage chute.... The FBI claimed the back chute Cooper took was olive drab container with a tan harness...

Anybody know.. back in Nov 1971.. Did/would McChord have back chutes equipped with AAD? The excuse that Cooper rejected McChord chutes because they were static line is not credible.

It gets a bit frustrating when I post information and it gets ignored.. I have to repost it over and over and over... The packing card for the chute returned to Hayden clearly states S/N 226.. 1957. The FBI docs also state S/N 226.. The packing card for the chute left on the plane S/N is 60-9707.. 1960. I looked up similar S/N's and the "60" before the "-" denotes the year of fabric manufacture. Chute manufacture date is after, within a year. That "60"-9707 is consistent with a 1960 year of assembly. In other words, these are definitely two different chutes. Both Hayden's as they were both Pioneer's packed by Cossey on the same date May 21, 1971. Cooper did not take either of Hayden's chutes. The next step is determining which chute Cooper actually took... probably Cossey's but maybe McChord. The takeaway,, Cossey rejected chutes found that were not sage green harness/sage green container and a white chute based on an assumption.. that may not have been accurate and one of those chutes found may have been the one Cooper used. I don't recall any time disclosed for initial contact with Cossey. I'll take another look.

Hayden's chute was returned in 1975 according to FBI docs.. Incidentally, in a 1976 newspaper article in the FBI docs Cossey claimed his chute left on the plane had been returned to him.. Did Cossey get Hayden's chute in 1975? then back to Hayden in 1982? Doubt it, Bruce probably has the date wrong. Hayden said it was repacked in '82 after its return, not it was returned in '82.

They didn't open the back chute in Reno that Cooper left, the info came from the packing card in the pocket. S/N 60-9707 - that does not match the packing card (S/N 226) for the chute returned to Hayden. CHECK-MATE.