FLYJACK

Also, in Harrison notes... Cooper's initial demand was "aft stair lowered in flight"

One of the pics didn't show up,, added it in again.

Geoffrey Gray's book claimed Cooper had Benzedrine,, https://books.google.ca/books?id=01dWQTJamLkC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=d+b+cooper+benzedrine&source=bl&ots=6LwP5pqTjw&sig=ACfU3U2RWJulFeDoWIswfgPmsAI37g8gpg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyj7DvnY7xAhWE754KHZlNBvAQ6AEwEXoECBgQAw#v=onepage&q=d b cooper benzedrine&f=false Tosaw claimed Cooper "had pills for the crew.." Here an article in the FBI files claims Cooper had Benzedrine for the crew. Safe to conclude Cooper had Benzedrine for the crew... no evidence they took it. So what does this suggest... Why have Benzedrine for the crew for a 5.5 hour event if his plan was to jump in the PNW. It doesn't make sense. It does make sense if Cooper's initial plan was to jump much later and South of the US border. I have alone argued that evidence suggests Cooper's initial plan was to jump much later but changed his LZ when Reno came into play. Cooper initially demanded airstairs lowered in flight then during negotiations with the crew he changed it. The pilot transmissions of his initial demand was airstairs lowered after takeoff. FACT The FBI files also confirm by stating that Cooper demanded airstairs extended after take-off then later changed the demand to before take off. FACT Back to Benzedrine... Why would Cooper need to have Benzedrine available and offer it to the crew for an event from 2:50 in the afternoon to 8:11 in the evening unless Cooper initially had a much longer trip planned. There is probably a larger discussion about Benzedrine and the military connection. Any other swarthy 727 hijackers have Benzedrine for the crew??? Benzedrine was used by Hahneman for himself and the crew for the long journey to Southern Mexico. Daily News from New York, New York (Hahneman) May 6, 1972 the plane circled in a 100-mile holding pattern over northern Virginia and Washington. Then, shortly after 7 p.m., the plane landed for a second time at Dulles, this time to remain for about an hour for 10 minutes. During his second stop, the first bundle of money was swapped for a second bundle and the hijacker also demanded and got five Benzedrine tablets, or "Bennies," probably to keep him awake, and several evening newspapers. I DO NOT give Georger permission to copy this post in full or in part. FLYJACK

Georger is trolling Shutter's site again, He has distorted, twisted and outright lied about my post here, as usual. All the members of Shutter's site need to know that Georger is intentionally misinforming them regarding the Cooper case to advance his own views. He is toxic and continues to waste everyone's time.

Virtually all of it is about the guys trying to scam the magazine editor with a fake Cooper story.

Circling back... The fluctuations/oscillations increased AFTER the test sled/weight left the stairs. This indicates that Cooper left right before the crew reported increased oscillations at 8:11/10. Rataczak said: 'That's just the way It was 8:10 p.m. Nov 24.' The confusion is the post event rationalization by the crew to distinguish the increase in frequency and magnitude of the oscillations by using the term "pressure bump". Minor oscillations/fluctuations were there for some time prior to the crew message, they just increased in frequency and magnitude. The crew did not comprehend what was going on at the time but reported the "pressure bump" in retrospect. The sled test showed that the oscillations/fluctuations INCREASED AFTER the weight left the stairs NOT BEFORE. Also, the stairs retracted to within eight inches of closed. and Three subsequent 727 bailouts also exhibited the same rapid fluctuations. This means Cooper did not jump over/near the Columbia River and the FBI got the LZ correct as far south as Battle Ground. FBI p# 23113 ..dropped off while a chase plane photographed its trajectory as it parachuted to the ground. “As the load left the stairway it re-tracted to within eight Inches of closing, then dropped back down. The result was a marked fluctuation In the cabin air pressure which caused the crews ears to pop and registered a rapid change In the rate of on instruments In the cockpit. "Rataczak said: 'That's just the way It was 8:10 p.m. Nov 24.' Only the crew dtdn't know what it meant then. They didn't know be had bailed out until they landed at Reno and found the plane empty.” The same rapid fluctuations in air pressure were noted in three bailouts from 727 airliners in the next few months, before the FAA ordered all rear doors rigged so they could not be opened in flight.

Ulis keeps claiming the SeaFirst bank bag was size H... making stuff up again.. This is a vintage SeaFirst large bag.. 29.5 x 19.5,, bigger than H. There is no evidence that the bank bag was too small to tie.

Himmelsbach referred to the money as in straps of 100's given to Cooper.. at 6:35 Ralph Himmelsbach “There were 10,000 twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of 100 bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands.” A "strap" or a "packet" is 100 bills. Straps refers to bank banded. Packets can be rubber banded or bank banded. Ulis now claims after talking to Brian that the money was discovered as three separate "straps" and not a single brick,, as far I know this was always believed. Eric is disproving a claim that nobody ever had. Nobody ever claimed the money was found as 1 "brick". What isn't known is if initially the money arrived on TBAR as one rubber banded "bundle" of straps/packets. The FBI claimed the money was from one bundle and money was in the same order. The money was given to Cooper in packets of 100 which were rubber banded into bundles. If the money arrived as one bundle as it was given to Cooper, when the rubber bands deteriorated and broke the straps/packets would have separated appearing independent just as Brian described.

Missing Persons. Index cards missingpersoncards.pdf

Missing Persons..

FBI searched missing person files.. 21 possible found.

Richard Tosaw interview 2006 (Two-Saw)

HALO jumps from C-130's..... Cooper could have been involved or just heard about it... and adapted it to the 727. https://sofrep.com/specialoperations/worlds-first-combat-h-l-o-jump/

I lean toward a bigger plane like the C-130,, it is pressurized and dropped cargo and troops. Cooper asked for 10,000 ft, the unpressurized limit and gear and flaps down. Flaps down and gear down is the low level drop configuration for the C-130. Of course, It could be "experience" with more than one type plane in Vietnam/Korea.

C-123.. manual looks like rear controls only https://buckeyewing.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/c-123b-9-loading-and-unloading-reduced-size.pdf

Here Cooper thought the cockpit could control the rear airstairs.. That means he did not have 727 "experience"... So, where did he get the idea... the C130 had controls in the cockpit. If Cooper was Vietnam, he likely got the assumption that the cockpit controlled the rear airstairs from another plane,, like the C130.

Sandbagging,, yikes if you want to go that route into theoreticals then we have nothing to build a foundation on... Cooper could have been a 5 foot 80 year old Chinese woman in disguise with lifts. Anything is possible,, we have to operate from a base. Otherwise people just make up anything and they often do to justify theories... Cooper had Mucklow show him how to operate the stairs and he also indicated that the crew could operate the rear stairs from the cockpit. He also couldn't get the stairs down initially. The 727 in SE Asia had the rear stairs removed. We don't know if a 727 was used in some secret operation that they won't admit to. The C130 was widely used, the Vietnam C130 guys thought Cooper was one of them... You can open the door and lower the ramp inflight from the rear or the cockpit.. If he believed the cockpit could control the rear stairs that indicates he didn't have 727 specific knowledge but may have got it from C130 experience.. or maybe another plane. He had aviation knowledge so he got that assumption from somewhere.

Right,, so the "Air America" CIA stuff has always lingered as having some possible connection but there is no evidence of any. The obvious similarity is they were both 727's, but that is it. The FBI investigated the jumpers who took part in Takhli test jumps. Cooper incorrectly thought the cockpit controlled the rear airstairs, so I have been looking for planes used in SE Asia that did drops and had cargo doors controlled from the cockpit.. I believe that was the C-130. Both front and rear controls. IMO, it is more likely Cooper had experience with the C-130 than 727.

My initial comment to you was 100% accurate, you disagreed with it and gave zero clarity when asked. Now, you clarify the experience Cooper did not have. Pilot/expert. That is what I have already said. So, you don't disagree.. You want to research a suspect that has pilot experience that now you don't think Cooper had.. Then a vague statement, "believe" "probably" SAT in Laos. What "experience" in Laos exactly? and how does it relate to the evidence. The 727's in SE Asia potential has been tossed around forever but nothing solid found. At least not that is made public. This has some updates in it, year 2020, p 49 https://library.utdallas.edu/specialcollections/hac/cataam/Leeker/history/Tibet.pdf

I asked you what you disagreed with.. and got back.. it's just your opinion. Now, you claim Cooper's experience wasn't 727 specific. Is that your opinion now? If so, what do you disagree with now?

That is the point,,, it is your opinion... based on what sources? apparently not the evidence. Even opinions need an argument... Most serious Cooper people believe Cooper had some aviation and parachute experience based on the evidence,, The leap to claim he was a 727 pilot/expert isn't supported. It is actually contradicted.

I am not adverse to colouring outside the lines as a means of exploration but you need a good reason... There is no evidence Cooper was a 727 pilot/expert. Actually, evidence to the contrary.

Disagree on what, there is no evidence of 727 experience. What facts support 727 specific experience? The ones I stated indicate lack of 727 specific knowledge. The only thing that might support it is the 15 degree flap setting but even Carr thought Cooper never actually said it but the number came from the crew interpreting flaps down.

Evidence indicates Cooper had aviation knowledge but not necessarily the 727. He had to have Tina show him how to lower the rear stairs and also thought the crew had control over the rear stairs. He got the range wrong. We don't know if Cooper actually used the term "crew meals". The FBI files state that he requested or wanted crew meals not that he used the exact term. He may have, Cooper definitely had aviation experience.

NOT TRUE... The method for extracting DNA from fabric is using sticky tape.. Tom Kaye used sticky stubs all over the tie,,,, but the big factor here is modern DNA tech vs old.... The DNA the FBI has can only eliminate,, modern advancements in DNA tech would provide a better sample to compare against suspects.