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I don't really have an opinion on the Amboy chute but a few things.. The find location I have is 5 miles due E from the FP, that is extreme for a drift. The sled test showed no violent increase in fluctuations/oscillations until after the weight was dropped, very little change when a man went down the stairs and stood at the end. That indicates the 8:10-12 timeframe is the sweet spot. The winds were not known at the 8:10-12 location and time. Robert99 and (Ulis) are incorrect in asserting as fact the winds were from the SW at that time... The data is not precise, it is averaged over an hour and using Portland as a proxy is a stretch, it is too far from the 8:10-12 area. The fact is, based on other wind data the winds were shifting in the area around that time from SE to SW.. The best we can say is the winds were from SE to SW at the 8:10-12 time along the FP. You cannot say as a fact the winds were from the SW at that time/location, there is no data that shows that. Even the FBI used Portland and Salem data hourly averages as a proxy... it is just not precise enough. Here is the Portland wind data average between 8 - 9... note elevation is virtually the same direction as the ground. Portland and Salem was used as an "ESTIMATE"..

Cooper supplied the first note.. Miss, I have a bomb.... My notes say "MISS" printed and the rest cursive.. but I can't find the source,,, I have thousands of docs to wade through.. this is what I could find.. Flo,, "felt-tip pen" "plain paper" "neat, legible handwriting"

Anybody remember the source for Cooper using cursive writing?? My notes say it was in a FOIA but I can't find it.

"Simply put, the DZ is uncertain because the flight path is uncertain, likewise the issue of the oscillations vs bump (pressure fluctuation) which occured. Ckret was of the opinion that the oscillations and bump were two distinct events. Good luck - Georger" Above Georger in 2009 refers to the bump as a "pressure fluctuation". He was correct then.. now he denies it. At 8:11 The crew reported "cabin fluctuating" and At 8:11 crew comms "at the present cabin is fluctuating" The fluctuation is a "bump" even Georger admitted it.. Remember Anderson said it was the largest (bump) by far, that means many "fluctuations". The FBI analysis got it right no matter how times Georger posts misinformation or Chaucer pouts.

Chaucer's claim is flawed... he has no legit argument, just an opinion. An opinion everyone has considered. He has brought nothing new except a few hypocritical comments. but, He builds on the speculative claim that the pressure bump was some completely different event much later than the 8:11 oscillation report by the crew AND the FBI analysis was completely wrong. If the crew didn't use the term "Pressure Bump" at 8:11 then it didn't happen then, he claims. Not only is there no evidence for this but it is contradicted, reminds me exactly of the Western FP. It is a childish interpretation. The FBI and the crew would have easily figured out a big delay or a material distinction. The crew believed the 8:11 time frame. The lights of Portland is NOT over the Columbia. Anderson said largest "pressure bump" of all... aka many.. Chaucer need to show the error in the FBI analysis... he can't because he only has an opinion. The "pressure bump" that Anderson referred to was the last largest one FELT by the crew, oscillations were SEEN on the gauge, they are measures of the same thing, pressure fluctuations. Fluctuations were also mentioned in crew comms at the "8:11" time. The FBI did NOT only use the report of oscillations. There were also reports of fluctuations and a violent reaction on the gauge matched the sled test "exactly". Chaucer has misunderstood the evidence and found himself a victim of the Vortex, it will turn you mad and hostile when others don't share your delusion. Nobody agrees 100% with anybody else. When your ego is supported by being right and you play in the Vortex you do pay a high price, negotiable American currency..... bank strapped in packets of 100's.. Enter the Vortex at your own peril.

He seems real nice... “the greatest scholars are not usually the wisest people” ― Geoffrey Chaucer

A liar just like Georger.. nobody likes liars.

It isn't my theory,,, and you added nothing to the topic, ZERO, NADA.. There is a small minority of Cooper people who are not capable or worthy of respectful discussions.. You are one of those. You can discuss it all you want,, just not with me. I just don't care what you think or have to say.

No, your point is to ram and bully your baseless theory down everybody's throat. You are wrong, it does require a rejection of the evidence. I have pointed it out but you just ignore it. And you are still making false claims about me, that is why I left Shutter's site. I got tired of the lies and BS... I have always maintained that it could be 8:10 to 8:15 (around Battle Ground). Carr's suggestion is irrelevant, he had no evidence for it, it was just a theory. I find most people use the appeal to authority fallacy rookies.. always look for the argument under the conclusion, Carr had none. The area to the Columbia was suggested before the sled test and analysis was done. There was no evidence for it, just speculation. And the 8:10-8:15 DZ is not my theory, it came from the FBI analysis. I just agreed with it after analyzing all the information available.. STOP CALLING IT MY THEORY As for the crew statements,, we don't have access to all the communications and discussion but the FBI did. Anderson said the sled test was exactly the same, during the sled test the gauge reacted "violently". If Anderson were correct then the gauge also reacted violently during NORJAK. So nothing you screeched above contradicts that FBI DZ analysis. NOTHING. All you have a baseless opinion. That is it. You can't even answer a simple question,, What do you know that the FBI didn't? yes, it is a trick question. It isn't even new, everyone has considered it and I spent time researching it but found no evidence for it. You have added nothing to it. ZERO Look, your goal seeking opinion is set that is clear, that won't change.. you are scrambling to maintain it resorting to lies and fallacies... I am done with you.

And I just checked for it this morning... Hope there something new in there..

I am a professional, I have a degree in parsing... Did I mention that I solved a 45 year old case... they want to do a documentary on it but Covid has messed it up. I might be the only Cooper sleuth that actually solved an old case. but, generally, I process all the information and determine what best fits within its frame.. a sort of informal application of logic and reason. The Columbia landing theory just doesn't fit well. You need to reject some info to make it fit, like jamming a round peg in square hole, Ulis style. If there was a large (8 minute) time span between the 8:10/11 report of oscillations and pressure bump it would have been exposed by evidence or the crew during the analysis. I have some document where they referred to them as "pressure fluctuations" but have been unable to find it.. I must have thousands of documents..

Not really, you kept saying over there.. that I was confused.. that is an opinion. I don't share your assessment of the pressure bump/oscillations. Pressure fluctuations cause oscillations. Oscillations were noted on the gauge but in this context the last "pressure bump" was larger and felt by the crew. So, for NORJAK all pressure bumps are oscillations, however the crew described the largest one as the "pressure bump" because of the magnitude. It is like the terms Chevrolet and Corvette.. They are cars (pressure fluctuations), a Chevrolet (Oscillation) and Corvette (pressure bump)... A Corvette is a Chevrolet but is a unique subset. A Pressure bump is an oscillation but is a unique subset. It was larger and physically felt. That is why the FBI used them interchangeably, the so called "pressure bump" differed only in magnitude, A unique oscillation. Since, the sled test showed that the frequency and magnitude increased after the weight dropped and Anderson said it was exactly the same as NORJAK, that supports it happening within seconds, not minutes. The crew saw minor oscillations on the gauges.... for some time. About 8:10/11.. They got a cabin increase in frequency/magnitude (reported it) ending with the largest pressure bump (felt a thud). That did not last 8 minutes. If Anderson was correct about the sled test it would be a very brief period. No major fluctuations were felt after the final "pressure bump". The crew was unsure what happened, discussed it and used the term "pressure bump" in retrospect. It is possible (I said anything is possible) the money landed near the Columbia but not for the reasons you claim. It would not be the time duration of the oscillations/pressure bump sequence but due to timing error for the FP. However, the lights of Portland really makes that unlikely, that indicates N of Vancouver, not over the Columbia. The FBI also had crew comms, plane data and access to the crew that we don't have, so it is a high bar to show that they got it so wrong. I found a gross error by the FBI but I have several pieces evidence that proves they were wrong or lying. Finally, everyone considered a Columbia landing when the money was found, it is human nature to find a cause in a correlation.. you can theorize but like the Western FP, you need evidence. So, a near Columbia landing is a theory, with no supporting evidence and even contradictory evidence. Unless something new comes up, the FBI DZ is where I believe Cooper landed. Ariel to around Battle Ground/Brush Prairie. and Ulis is famous, he solved the Cooper case... it was clearly TK IMO,, if the pressure bump (jump) was virtually over the Columbia next to the Airport,, the crew would have known it and expressed it. The crew would have been acutely ware of their location there.

I know exactly what you're saying, you keep saying the same thing over and over but it is your opinion, based on assumptions not facts. You keep claiming facts that are not so.. Don't feel bad Ulis does the same thing all the time.. The so called "pressure bump" was the last and largest of a series of oscillations felt by the crew. The FBI had far more info, data and access to the crew than you... You conveniently avoided the question.. What do you know that the FBI didn't? It is a simple question that requires an answer,, otherwise you just have a baseless opinion. BTW, if you can ever prove that Cooper or the money itself landed next to Columbia, I have great TBAR theory....

I haven't attacked you personally. I disagree with your conclusion, but I have nothing against you personally, and I respect you immensely as a researcher. If you want to degenerate this into name-calling, then I'm out. FACT CHECK: You did, you keep saying I am confused because I don't agree your opinion. It isn't my conclusion, it is the analysis done by/for the FBI. FACT: There were minor oscillations long before the crew reported "getting cabin oscillations" at 8:10 (they had increased), FACT CHECK: There is no evidence to suggest this differentiation. Of course the crew is going to report "cabin oscillations" because they never left the cabin. Also, the transcript you provided above conveniently has time stamps faded out so as to be unreadable. According to the time stamp, that report was given at 8:12, not 8:10. I've attached a clearer copy below. The oscillations were reported as late as 8:12 which means the pressure bump happened after that. Anderson states that they were "flying dirty" so they would have felt something early on, but they all felt oscillations and presumed it was Cooper "doing something with the aft stairs". Any other conclusion is an invention. FACT CHECK CHECK: There is evidence.. Anderson "largest (bump) by far" and the sled test results.. Why did the crew suddenly report oscillations long after the minor ones were noted on the gauge? because they were different somehow? What caused the other "bumps"? pressure fluctuations/oscillations. The timestamp is not accurate, analysis of tapes and data put it at 8:10/11. Your timestamp criticism is irrelevant. EXACTLY, they felt oscillations and reported them, the ones before were on the gauge only.. FACT: During the sled test oscillations did not increase when a man went down the stairs and stood on the end. FACT CHECK: The FBI document reports "very little change", not "no change". Anderson himself said that the oscillations were so minor that Scott wasn't even sure he felt them. Here's Anderson: "These were minor oscillations. We detected on the guages only." FACT: Fluctuations/Oscillations increased violently when the weight was dropped. FACT CHECK: The "fluctuations/oscillations" did not increase "violently". The FBI statement says that the gauge reacted "violently". Anderson states clearly that after the the "pressure bump" the oscillations ended abruptly. You are implying that after the sled test, the oscillations increased dramatically in the cabin which did not happen. FACT CHECK CHECK: They did increase violently on the gauge and Anderson said it was exactly like NORJAK.. The gauge measures/represents fluctuations/oscillations. The gauge reacting violently after the weight was dropped is an increase in oscillations which Anderson confirmed matched NORJAK, he was in the cabin. FACT: Anderson claimed the oscillations and pressure bump were exactly the same during the test. FACT CHECK: Anderson claims no such thing. He only claims that the sled test matched his experience the night of the hijacking: a series of oscillations which they concluded was Cooper messing with the aft stairs followed by a strong pressure bump that ended the oscillations. In fact, in his statement, Anderson makes it clear that the oscillations and pressure bump are separate things: "What we noticed was the pattern of the oscillations was continuing" "We all agreed that the guages were detecting a disruption of airflow, most likely caused by Cooper testing out the aft stairs. But we all felt one physically distinguishable "bump" with our ears" "When the final bump happened and the oscillations stopped that sealed it." FACT CHECK CHECK: Right, he claims it matched exactly. But, the test showed "very little" gauge movement when a man was going down and standing on the stairs and a violent reaction on the gauge when the weight dropped... A violent reaction on the gauge is a measure of oscillations. There were airflow disruptions after the thud/pressure bump, they were just not major... the stairs were still partially open with no weight on them. Anderson is saying that those elevated (series of) oscillations ended when the final bump happened. Anderson "because the gauges never detected any further major airflow disruptions after that ‘thud’. The re-test duplicated the oscillations and the pressure bump exactly" FACT: Anderson referred to the pressure bump as "the largest by far".. (that means many) FACT CHECK: This changes nothing. Anderson and others have used multiple terms to describe these events. This isn't some smoking gun here. See above. FACT CHECK CHECK: It indicates that there was a loose use of terminology and more than one bump, more than one bump indicates a series. The "pressure bump" was the largest of a series... that series matches the violent reaction matching the sled test after the weight was dropped. FACT: Rataczak said his ears popped at 8:10. FACT CHECK: Rataczak has said multiple things over the years. You yourself supplied a document that gives a range from 8:10 to 8:15. Anderson has said there was uncertainty over when the pressure bump occurred. Soderlind gives a range from Ariel to the Columbia. Also, this statement is from a newspaper article which we all should know should be taken with a grain of salt when it comes to statements and "facts". FACT CHECK CHECK: Rataczak has changed some of his statements over the years but statements made closer to the event are more accurate. True, the range is 8:10 to 8:15 at the latest, that is the FBI LZ that was searched. The analysis gave a higher probability to the 8:10 to 8:12 timeframe. My point is that you want the jump time to be 8:10 so badly that you are engaging in behavior that you are accusing me of: ignoring evidence, distorting evidence, and confusing the facts. FACT CHECK: BS.. I looked at the information with no agenda and concluded the DZ analysis was correct, I have zero agenda for the 8:10 time. YOU ARE MAKING IT UP to discredit me that is a classic Georger move.. Now you seem to want to engage in personal attacks. Sorry, it's not personal to me. It's just that your conclusions are wrong. FACT CHECK: You didn't outright lie like Georger did but you didn't call out his blatant lies and you kept saying I was confused because I don't accept your opinion.. Now you make up some nonsense about wanting 8:10 so badly... Cheers. FACT CHECK: My conclusion is based on my interpretation of the information, it confirms the analysis done by/for the FBI and the crew statements.. The obligation is for you to show where they got it wrong, you haven't done that at all. You have expressed an opinion that you keep elevating to fact. What do you know that they didn't? You keep ignoring this...

Cooper wasn't concerned with prints.. He was concerned with the notes. He left the cigarettes, tie and offered money to the stews, all potential sources for prints. Cooper demanded the notes back and the matchbook which had been used to write notes on... Why was Cooper not concerned with leaving prints..

Georger, you continue to prove you are a fraud... keep it up, I am documenting all of it. I didn't change anything as "you predicted"... My statements have been consistent, your understanding is dishonest or ignorant. (as usual) I always said there were minor oscillation prior per Anderson, several times in previous posts,, you claimed I said there were none. YOU LIED, you always lie because your goal is for your ego to win not to uncover the truth. You just make up stuff to discredit others, there is no weaker tactic intellectually. I pointed out the reports that said they increased "violently" AFTER the sled was dropped not before. That hasn't changed.. There was no concession. Georger fabricated it to claim a victory. That tactic is best kept to politicians and Marxists... FACT: There were minor oscillations long before the crew reported "getting cabin oscillations" at 8:10 (they had increased) FACT: During the sled test oscillations did not increase when a man went down the stairs and stood on the end. FACT: Fluctuations/Oscillations increased violently when the weight was dropped. FACT: Anderson claimed the oscillations and pressure bump were exactly the same during the test. FACT: Anderson referred to the pressure bump as "the largest by far".. (that means many) FACT: Rataczak said his ears popped at 8:10 FACT: Georger is a serial liar. You guys are all screwed up trying to defend an opinion because you can't get it straight that oscillations are pressure fluctuations. They differ in frequency and magnitude. The so called "pressure bump" was just a larger one that was felt. At 8:10 the crew reported.. "getting some oscillations in the cabin",,, long after the minor oscillations were seen on the gauges.. WHY, because the oscillations had increased in frequency and magnitude exactly like the sled test showed and Anderson claimed.. You guys are attacking me personally to justify your opinion in a bizarre strawman ploy. AlI I did was agree with the FBI LZ assessment after looking at all the information... you have engaged in a perverse distraction strategy where discrediting me (with lies from Georger) somehow makes you right. What you guys really need to do is argue why, where and how with more information, more data and access to the crew with fresh memories the investigators and the crew got it wrong... you haven't, you can't so you try to discredit me. You guys are pathetic and an embarrassment to all Cooper slueths.

You are wrong.

Chaucer, you have this screwed up.. not me and everyone else. Even Rataczak reported that his ears popped (pressure bump) at 8:10 You fail to recognize that Anderson's statements, Rataczak's statements and the sled test contradict your assertion.

There were minor oscillations/bumps on the gauge for some time PRIOR to the 8:10/11 report of oscillations,, they were reporting an increase in the cabin. That increase matched the increase in oscillations/bumps during the sled test per Anderson. You are conflating the terms and events. That event was replicated exactly per Anderson when the sled was dropped, very little change with a man going down the stairs,, case closed. The gauge reacted "violently" only when the sled was dropped exactly like Norjak. He says it... "The re-test duplicated the OSCILLATIONS AND THE PRESSURE BUMP exactly"...

So what is the problem. You claim that I and everyone else is confused... I think you are the confused one. The sled test matched the oscillations and pressure bump exactly AND a man going down the stairs showed very little change on the cabin pressure gauge. Therefore, the oscillations reported by the crew at 8:10/11 was a series of bumps ending with the largest "pressure bump".. time confirmed by the crew. So, for Cooper to have jumped over the Columbia,, the crew was wrong, the FBI/analysis was wrong and the sled test was wrong. Reminds me of the Western FP...

There was no sharp turn in the FP... this is a red herring. The "FBI" FP map is plotted points with a 1 mile error in it. It is NOT the precise FP but a series of points joined together for rough representation. I took the plotted points and added in the error then smoothed the path. The sharp turn disappears. This isn't necessarily exactly the path but far more representative of a 727 FP than the "FBI" point plotted map... This smoothed FP is within the "FBI" map error. Using the "FBI" point plotted map in any analysis is inferior and misleading.

You are confused, trapped in an a semantic quicksand of your own making... I am not saying it ANDERSON is. Bumps and oscillations are the same thing. The pressure bump referred to by the crew was just the last largest one. Read the evidence.

Chaucer and Georger continue to ignore and distort the evidence... Anderson said it not me.. "A: I monitored the gauges and reported to Captain Scott. We all agreed that the gauges were detecting a disruption of airflow, most likely caused by Cooper testing out the aft stairs. But we all felt one physically distinguishable "bump" with our ears which came abruptly after we had been monitoring the gauges. We all felt it almost in unison, surprised, "there he goes!" It was the largest bump by far, an abrupt pressure change. We all thought he had exited the aircraft at that point, because the gauges never detected any further major airflow disruptions after that ‘thud’. The re-test duplicated the oscillations and the pressure bump exactly. " "It was the largest bump by far",,,,, that means there were many bumps... if there were many bumps then the term "bump" does not refer to a single bump but a series ending with a LARGER bump. The crew is using the term to refer the largest bump in a series of bumps. A series of bumps is not a single event when the door bounces up nearly closed. They are oscillations. and.. Anderson said it.. He confirmed when the sled test duplicated the OSCILLATIONS and THE PRESSURE BUMP exactly.. He used the term oscillations. "The re-test duplicated the OSCILLATIONS AND THE PRESSURE BUMP exactly"... That is it, busted. Further nail in the coffin. During the test they walked down the stairs and there was "very little change noted on the Cabin Pressure Rate of Change Gauge. The Gauge reacted violently when the weight was dropped. NOT BEFORE. Not when they walked down the stairs and exactly like NORJAK. Conclusion, the "pressure bump" referred to by the crew was the last largest bump in a series of bumps or oscillations which matched the sled drop test exactly.

Actually Georger, the aft stair-light is activated when the handle is moved from the locked up detent.. not when the stairs move or are lowered. It is odd, as Tina claimed the red (amber) stair-light came on much later. Either Tina is mistaken or Cooper moved the handle from the up and locked detent but didn't get it into the down position. There is a button on the top that needs to be pressed. For Tina to see the light come back on later the handle would have been returned to the up and locked position by Cooper then moved out of the up and locked detent a 2nd time. That might be why Cooper was initially struggling with the stairs. There are only two lights in the cockpit, a green stairs locked down and an amber for the handle out of the unlocked position.

You state the facts are this.... then you state assumptions and "truths".. They are NOT. The crew feels a marked increase in fluctuations/oscillations that ended in a "bump", just like the sled test, they reported it at 8:10/11. The crew said they believed 8:10/11.. Rataczak said ears popped at 8:10.. You keep claiming the crew did not report the "pressure bump" at 8:11 so it didn't happen, this is nonsense. The crew didn't use that term at the time as they were trying to sort out what happened. They also have the comms "he took leave of us"... Pressure bumps and oscillations are not analogous to labor pains and child birth... The crew said the largest bump by far that means many,, unless they had multiple births your analogy is false. Your claim of logic is busted. Your error is that you think you understand what the crew means by "pressure bump" vs "oscillations".. the pressure bump was a larger fluctuation/oscillation that was physically felt. This is backed up by the crew statements and times. If was a completely different event minutes later that would have been exposed and the crew would not have claimed the 8:10 time. The so called pressure bump the crew refers to is the biggest of a series of pressure fluctuations aka oscillations. Anderson said it was exactly the same as the sled test.. when the weight dropped a violent increase in fluctuations... that matches what the crew reported at 8:10. There were minor oscillations prior. You still ignore the facts. "Lights of Portland" is not over the Columbia or close to it.. it is N of Vancouver. The crew stated 8:10/11 and believed Cooper jumped further N closer to Merwin. If Cooper jumped near Portland Airport they would know it. For Cooper to have jumped over/near the Columbia, the sled test was wrong, the FBI/Investigators were wrong and the crew was wrong.. that is a big bar to jump. I have several theories about TBAR... some posted, some not. All maintain the FBI FP, LZ range and Spring entry into the Columbia R and are not contradicted by evidence. None can be proven,, and there may still be an unknown explanation. Cooper landing next to the Columbia and the money washing into it in Spring is a legit theory but probably one of the weakest ones because it is so contradicted by evidence.. besides IMO, unlikely Cooper would choose to jump over an urban area like Van/Portland virtually over the Portland Airport in a non-steerable chute. It would be the last place he would want to jump. So, not backed by evidence, contradicted by evidence and doesn't really make sense.... = weak theory.