FLYJACK

Georger,, how do you lie continuously like that.. Are you completely incapable of forming your own argument? Nothing you ever say is accurate. You twist, contort, misrepresent and even manufacture evidence to win an argument.. it is pathetic. You never add anything productive to the case, I only reference you when I have to correct your BS. I never said that paper bands deteriorate in 8 years. It would be about 3 months. Paper bands are not made from the same material as currency.. and the paper bands has nothing to do with fact that the money was in packets of 100 bills.. Carr was wrong, you have been wrong for a decade,, suck it up, take the L and stop lying. The term packet and bundle aren't even the issue,, the issue is that there are two different things, a single group of 100 bills and a group of groups of 100 bills.. Call them lemons and limes if you want,, the point is they are different and you guys mixed them up.. The group of 100 bills (packet) was not in random counts and they were rubber banded into bundles. In Georger's argument a bundle is a group of 100 bills and is also a group of several bundles of 100 bills.. you need to distinguish between these different things to avoid confusion and the bankers do that,, they use the term packet for a group of 100 bills. Funny, Georger can't seem to find a banker who uses the term packet.. even though it is right in multiple Cooper FBI docs..

Georger, you still don't understand the packet/bundle issue. It does not rely on Himm's statement, it does not even rely on the packets being in paper straps. Paper vs rubber bands is irrelevant. I have told you that before. You are just creating a strawman.. because you have no argument. You still ignore Carr's error, he thought that each of the 3 packets was made to a random count... they weren't, he was wrong. It was the bundles of packets. Get it, packets = 100 bills, bundles = a number of packets. Carr confused packets vs bundles. This is so easy to understand even a University Professor can get it. The conclusion is that the money most likely arrived on TBAR as one single rubber banded bundle of a number of packets of 100 bills. I have several theories for how a single bundle got into the River upstream of TBAR during Spring. But, once in the River in Spring the bundle of packets would fan out obtain the diatoms as it sunk.. the suspended bundle gets pushed along the bottom to the spot it was found.. at the time in Spring the water was well above the find spot. The bundle did not wash up onto the water surface or onto the shore, it was deposited to a spot that was effectively the River bottom at the time and became buried there. The normal River level was below the TBAR spot and as the rubber bands holding the bundle of packets together deteriorated the packets separated appearing to be independent. It has been assumed and treated as fact that the money arrived on TBAR as 3 separate packets,,, that is not a fact. The money went to Cooper as a single rubber banded bundle of a random number of packets of 100 bills. The evidence indicates that it is far more likely that the money arrived as one single rubber banded bundle of packets..

Follow up.. The GEOREF updated to include a new small area which was searched with negative results..

CKRET, Carr said.. "The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and handed over to NWA. The money was bundled in various counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered." This is correct but it was the bundles (groups of packets) not the individual packets (of 100 bills) CKRET, Carr said.. "The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know." This is wrong, Carr confused the bundles (groups of packets) with individual packets (of 100 bills) This is why the terms packets and bundles need to be crystal clear... Carr got them mixed up. When the Bank guy told him the bundles were rubber banded and randomized he was referring to the bundles, not the packets... The packets in rubber bands vs bank bands is a red herring.. we are trying to determine if the TBAR money arrived as one bundle or individually. Because we know the money was given to Cooper in packets of 100 bills and the individual packets were in rubber banded bundles... it is more likely the TBAR money arrived in the same condition, one bundle. The TBAR money arriving as one bundle of multiple packets changes the analysis.

Maybe the first translation was visual and not data driven. The plot would be an estimate within a grid reference.

Georger continues to make false claims.. He claims that my post above is my entire money argument and the basis for my view, it is not, there is much more. Georger often uses this technique to discredit others. By paraphrasing a partial, manipulated or even falsified representation of a contrary view he can more easliy attack it. A straw-manning of sorts, wholly dishonest. He has done this for years...

Eric seems to have thrown in the towel on the Placard, about time. That weakens his Western Flightpath argument to life support status. But he blames the FBI instead of himself for not understanding the information and doing adequate unbiased research,, The FBI investigation was consistent, the Placard was on the outside and could have fallen from any 727. The Sheriff claimed it was from inside while at the same time the FBI rejected that. Eric accepted the opinion of the Sheriff and rejected all the other evidence because it supported his narrative.. Likewise Georger fails to understand the money evidence and clings to perceived inconsistencies.. Those inconsistencies lie with Carr and Georger's perceptions.. not with the evidence. Both Eric and Georger are blaming the FBI for their own inability to properly assess the evidence. Now,, let's do Cooper's initial demand,,, Airstairs lowered inflight.

If the money went to Cooper in packets of 100 bills which were rubber banded into random sized bundles then how did the 3 TBAR packets get separated?? They didn't,, it is more likely the TBAR bundles were from one bundle. FBI Finds one bundle of lootVANCOUVER. Wash. UPl - Only one money bunrdle from the $200.000 hijack ransom given master criminal D.B. Cooper eight years ago has been found, the FBI said Thursday. “It’s all from one bundle,” said John Pringle, assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office. “We found more bits and pieces, nothing more.: Cooper had been given several "bundles" of money, the agent said. He declined to say how many, adding that “There is certain information known only to us and the hijacker."

7:19 in video Himmelsbach.. Money was given to Cooper strapped in 100's and bundled with rubber bands.. "There were ten thousand twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of a hundred bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands." FBI,, Bank advised that money was in a random sequence in packets of $2000 (100 bills) and held together with bank bands.

Now I recall,,, I have tens of thousands of docs and pieces of info I am losing track of stuff.. FBI doc confirms GEOREF plotting system.

ARCO (Alaska Airlines) 727 safety card from 1986 WITH the optional emergency release.

The Hick's placard DID NOT come from inside NORJAK. There was NO internal emergency system to pull a red handle.. After the FBI investigated the Hick's placard and had the blueprints from NWA they claimed the placard came from the outside and could have fallen off any passing 727. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION Eric keeps making the flase claim that the FBI confirmed the placard came from NORJAK, they DID NOT. The Sheriff made that claim and the FBI walked it back. Before the placard find, in June 1978 the NORJAK 727 plane was sold to Piedmont. Piedmont 727 Sept 1978 safety card. NO OPTIONAL EMERGENCY SYSTEM NORJAK plane at RENO Nov 25, 1971, NO OPTIONAL EMERGENCY SYSTEM. Has two decals on the main door. NORJAK did not have any internal emergency system that matches the placard description to "pull red handle".

Boeing records indicate 318 727-100's had the optional emergency release,, 91 727-100C cargo/passenger 164 727-100 all passenger plus 63 modification kits... Norjak did not have this system and there is no indication that the Hicks placard was used inside for this system on any 727. 1980..

This is becoming a clown show,, Georger, Ulis and now Chaucer have the facts screwed up.. Georger has had it wrong for a decade, I have explained it many times and he is just impervious to facts... I prefer if he stays ignorant. Eric is mostly correct, a banded or strapped group of 100 bills is a packet.. can also be called a flat or a strap. Himmelsbach and the Bank confirm this in the FBI docs. Eric is wrong on two points, the bundles were randomized not the packets and it is not a fact that the packets arrived on TBAR separately. The Bank called them packets. Cooper was given the money in packets of 100 bills. Those packets were rubber banded into bundles,,, get it, packets = 100 bills and bundles = a group of packets. Carr claimed that the Bank guy he talked to said the bundles were made random. There are other references to the bundles being randomized to look hastily prepared. Here is the problem, Carr also stated that the three bundles were each a random count, he was wrong, he confused the packets of 100 with the bundles of packets. Carr mixed up the terms. The packets were in 100's. We know Cooper was given the money in packets of 100, those packets rubber banded into bundles of a random number of PACKETS... So, if the TBAR money arrived as three separate packets they had to be removed from the bundles they were in when given to Cooper prior to landing on TBAR. Also, the rubber band frags attached to bills were not documented, there is no way to confirm they were only holding packets and not the bundle or a combination. The FBI claimed the money was from one bundle and in the same order. Conclusion,,, it is NOT a fact that the 3 TBAR packets arrived separately and it is most likely that the 3 packets arrived rubber banded in a single bundle, as the rubber bands deteriorated the packets loosened and fell apart slightly. Georger is wasting everyone's time with his nonsense. This has been explained to him many times and he just doesn't understand simple concepts... packet = a group of 100 bills bundle = a group of packets Carr got it wrong claiming the packets were randomized by the bank,, they were not. It was the bundles that was randomized, the number of packets in a bundle. Georger has been defending this error for ten years now even when it has been clarified. I pointed the problem out on Shutter's site a while back because it didn't make sense,, How could the money go to Cooper in 100's and end up randomized.. they didn't.. Carr and Georger screwed up. Then, I was mocked and told to shut up... by ignorant people. I always assumed Georger knew better but was being a troll,, no, he really has no clue.

I have explained Carr's money "bundle" error many times... Georger just ignores it.. The only difference is whether there were 2 bands holding the bundle or a single band.. both fan out.. the single fans out more.

Ulis is making a false claim,,, The June 1972 and June 1974 floods were NOT the only times the River reached the money find spot. The money find spot was at the high water line in 1980,, only about 3-4 ft above the River level at the time.

Well Georger is finally getting it.. The diatoms enter when the bills fan out after entering the water,,, when they clump together the diatoms can't get inside. That indicates the money first entered the water in Spring,,,

I found this image of a North West Airlines B-727,, It looks identical to the NORJAK plane comparing it to the sled test images. It might be NORJAK but NWA ordered several so it could be a sister plane. but this would be the view for the passengers looking back at Cooper. I have been trying to get a measurement for the height below the storage rack and lights, I think Cooper would barely stand up between the light bars..

It isn't quite the same context,, A better analogy is walking into a US bank withdrawing from your account and using "US/American" money... How many times did Robert mention money without the "US" qualifier... many many more times... but it isn't conclusive, it is rare.. I have always said that. It doesn't indicate Cooper was Canadian or "Latin American",, it suggests a foreign connection/influence,, could be an American.. The other factors to consider are that Cooper demanded to fly to Mex, and was described as Latin American/Mexican in features and characteristics,,, those also suggest a foreign angle but are not conclusive. The pilots said "American currency" and Tina said "US currency".... you have two references.

Ouch, Eric has a real aggressive side when challenged... a bully. The TBAR spot was well underwater from April thru June 1972... I guess Cooper was exceptionally talented in finding buried money under the sand under 6-15 ft of water. His burial/retrieval theory is not based on any evidence, it is absurd even for specualtion. The above doc (and others) proves Eric is 100% wrong,, Cooper DID NOT INITIALLY demand airstairs down on takeoff. He claims to have studied the case for 12 years... his argument is bogus. He has built his entire narrative the same way.. Bad info, conjecture, speculation and goal seeking. I have mentioned this for a while and Eric just won't man up and admit he is wrong... Quote from Ulis... "DB Cooper initially requested that Flight 305 depart Seattle with its rear airstairs deployed. The pilots rejected this request stating that the jet could not take off in this configuration. Cooper relented and allowed the jet to depart with the airstairs in the “up” position but demanded that Flight Attendant Tina Mucklow help him deploy the airstairs immediately upon take-off. The airstairs request coupled with the fact that Cooper didn’t board with any luggage and that he couldn’t be certain he could occupy the last row of the flight from Portland—therefore may have had to abort the skyjacking—suggests that Cooper planned to originally jump in the Seattle area—probably the exurbs of Seattle."

Why is Eric taking TBAR sand samples in March... to compare to a Spring diatom? Should take samples in Spring,, River water samples too... just a suggestion.

I think it is a geo grid... those 4 notations match the grid lines on this Sage map,,, these grids are not unique to Sage and were a few different systems. I assume the potting data was plotted/transferred grid by grid. and no I can't confirm the lettering.

Generally, I always thought a Cooper conference was good idea for participants and attendees,, but now Eric wants to expand to add Bigfoot and flying saucers.. he must be kidding. That would discredit the Cooper case and make it a joke..

If you find a watch in the woods there is a good chance the owner dropped it.. but if you find "paper" money at the high water line of a River there is a good chance it came from the River.

The FBI docs we have note the 1.50 price and the #3 on the label but don't make the connection. It was in Gray's book SKYJACK, Gray had some FBI docs and we may not have the complete versions. I later confirmed the price code,, ties had #2, #3, #4, #5 etc...