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EVERYONE has considered it... nobody can support it with evidence. My point is what do you have that nobody else has already considered? For Cooper to land on the north bank he would have to jump over the Columbia if he pulled early. No evidence was ever found there and it is a well populated area. I stated several times the crews time estimate AND posted it so when I read you falsely claim that I am ignoring it you are lying. Don't pull that BS. The "largest bump by far" means there were more and smaller ones, right... like oscillations. Or what were they? You are ignoring the crew statements at the time. Lights of Portland is NOT over the Columbia River. The crew wasn't sure what was happening and used the term "pressure bump" in retrospect, that is why it wasn't reported using those exact words. You have created a circular argument. The crew didn't use the term "pressure bump" at 8:10 so it didn't happen at 8:10. If it didn't happen then, it was later and Cooper landed next to the Columbia. This is flawed logic. The crew applied the term after they had reflected on the event to distinguish the largest bump felt by the crew and when they believed Cooper jumped. The so called "pressure bump" (largest by far) was felt and was seen on instruments as oscillations.. Even the crew confirmed the reported oscillation time was when they believed the pressure bump occurred. So, if the crew were wrong, the FBI and investigators got it all wrong 50 years ago.. we need evidence for that, not just a random claim. The TBAR money is not evidence to support a Columbia jump.. Why? because TBAR is an unknown. You can't use an unknown as evidence,, that is for Ulis. Everybody considered pushing the LZ more South based on the TBAR money find and nothing being found, this is legit and human nature to explore in theory but there is no evidence. Claiming XYZ considered it is also not evidence... just another logical fallacy. You do have to reconcile the FP and LZ with TBAR, but it needs to fit within the evidence. I have several theories that maintain the FP and LZ and there may be some nobody has even thought of. I am not dismissing your theory, I am saying that it isn't new, you have added nothing to what many have already considered and like you they have found no supporting evidence. Your entire argument is based on stacked assumptions and conjecture while rejecting contrary evidence... So, unless there is something new, I am not convinced by your argument.

yeah, I know your argument... It isn't new, everyone has considered it at some point. Winds would not necessarily be negated by the pull... depends on height of the pull. The crew said 8:10/11... The lights of Portland are NOT over the Columbia. That would be North of Vancouver. Anderson said.. largest bump by far..... aka many bumps Ratazcak.. ears popped 8:10 Why do you keep ignoring the evidence? There is just no evidence for it. The money find is not evidence. There can be many ways the money got there but because we can't prove how that uncertainty is now falsely claimed to be evidence of a later jump. Frankly, I find this argument similar to Eric's western flight path... it is legit to consider but there is just no evidence for it and you are rejecting contradictory evidence.. At best, it just a speculation with no evidence. If you find some new evidence, let me know. You keep claiming the FBI got the LZ wrong with no proof... The analysis done in 71/72 had access to more evidence and the fresh memories of the crew that you don't have.. What do you know that they didn't know.

Bill Rataczak gave a talk on the hijacking in 2012 for NWA... (it was discussed years ago) This is the summary in the NWA newsletter (link) http://northwestairlineshistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/1209-newsletter.pdf and the dvd of the 1.5 hour talk is for sale on ebay, only 4 left. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303269552131?hash=item469c462003:g:VnQAAOxymiVQ9cgU

Yes, Rat has confirmed that publicly but it has never been officially released with any timestamp. This is the closest,,, Rat... "ears to pop" (pressure bump) ... That's just the way it was at 8:10.

Winds were from SE near Portland, to land on the North side he would have had to jump South side unless a no pull. Something would have been found there. Wrong, the time is from the crew... those oscillations ended with a BIG oscillation felt in the cabin aka pressure bump. If they knew the pressure bump was a second event and was 7-8 minutes later they would have acknowledged that at the time.

Wrong, the crew stated they believed 8:10/11. Certainly before 8:15. The crew said they could see the lights of Portland, that isn't over the Columbia. The "pressure bump" was a BIGGER oscillation that was felt. That is why they use them interchangeably. No time stamp exists for the "bump" because it was the reported oscillations..

If there were no transmitters in the chutes/money bag then why does the FBI have a sub volume N = Transmitters? They claimed no transmitters in the chutes...

"oscillations" also referred to as a "pressure bump" or "change in cabin pressure"..

Looks like I still have a stalker over at Shutter's forum.. long after I've left. The guy can't stop talking about me... He's always been mad because I caught him making up Cooper evidence just to win a debate. Your 15 minutes expired long ago Georger, you are irrelevant and toxic.

Carr expressed his opinion, he has been wrong on many things.. Don't use Carr's opinion as an authority on anything,, what evidence did he have,,, none. Suggesting the possibility that Cooper jumped later isn't a problem, everyone has considered it. There is just no evidence for it and the evidence indicates the FBI got it right. Your claim that the FBI incorrectly assumed the jump occurred at (about) 8:11 is not backed by evidence. It is PURE conjecture with NO evidence.

My conclusion is that the FBI got the LZ right,,, You need to have evidence that proves they got it wrong. An example... The FBI made a public statement about Hahneman that would show he couldn't be Cooper.. I found three witnesses and info that proves the statement made by the FBI was 100% false. Was it a mistake or intentional misinformation from a higher level,, I don't know.. I suspect it was cover from the State Department.

Of course you are rejecting evidence. You are rejecting the FBI LZ that they concluded 50 years ago from more evidence and immediate access to fresh witnesses than you have. ..not all conjecture is equal. Some is backed by evidence and some by little or nothing. Sometimes we have no evidence so conjecture is all we have. My point is YOUR argument is not backed by evidence and is PURE conjecture. The FBI analysis was based on evidence and witnesses. If you want to reject it you need alot more than pure conjecture. You are rejecting evidence and IMO misinterpreting some. The crew stated that they believed 8:10/11 certainly before 8:15. The lights of Portland. That is not over the Columbia.. that is N of Vancouver. The sled test matched exactly. FDR and other timing data. If Cooper landed next to the Columbia, higher probability a body or a chute would be found. Instrument oscillations were caused by pressure changes, Anderson said the "PRESSURE BUMP" was the largest by far... so that means there were many. There were many because they were gauge oscillations which increased in frequency and magnitude after weight left the stairs. Pressure changes cause oscillations, the "PRESSURE BUMP" was just the biggest one of a series of pressure changes that was felt... When the crew reported oscillations, they were reporting a marked increase, prior oscillations were minor. That increase matched the sled test. To completely reject the evidence and FBI's work without any evidence is a high bar... Everybody has at some entertained the idea that Cooper landed in the Columbia this isn't new, but there was no evidence for it.. Now, the diatoms indicate the money didn't go straight into the Columbia so the theory shifts to near the Columbia. The evidence supports the FBI's LZ... One plausible theory is that at least one bundle left the open stairs after Cooper jumped but there are many other theories. My conclusions.. FBI flightpath is correct with a 1 mile and 1 minute error. The map is a point plot, it can be smoothed out. Cooper landed in the FBI LZ at 8:10/11 to 8:15 latest. The money entered the Columbia as a single rubber banded bundle of packets in the Spring.

Of course it is imprecise... that isn't even debatable. The "identical" results of the sled test don't support your claim... The statements of the crew don't support your claim... Your claim is conjecture. Nothing wrong with conjecture but that is what it is. Is it possible the money landed on the banks of the Columbia, sure anything is "possible" but it is unlikely and requires a rejection of evidence that Cooper did. It is even possible dropped money could have fallen off the stairs after Cooper jumped,,, there is no evidence to support the claim that Cooper landed in the Columbia or on its banks.

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The problem here is the vague and imprecise language. Oscillations/fluctuations are pressure bumps but the "pressure bump" referred to by the crew in retrospect was an attempt to ID the BIGGEST and last one felt by the crew when Cooper likely jumped. At the time time the crew wasn't sure what was happening. Anderson claimed it was the largest "pressure bump" by far... so what were the other ones? smaller pressure bumps or oscillations or both.. pressure bumps are oscillations. However, they differ in magnitude and frequency. The sled test indicated that the Cooper jump was identical. The oscillations occurred over time but were not equal, the ones prior to the jump were minor, gauge only. The crew did not report these minor oscillations. They reported the "bigger" ones. The sled test indicated the fluctuations/oscillations increased violently (magnitude and frequency) when the sled left. Later labelled the "pressure bump". This "violent" increase was the 8:11 transmission of oscillations by the crew. The crew used the term "pressure bump" in retrospect to identify the last big oscillation felt when they believed Cooper left. And the crew believed 8:10 but were certain it was before 8:15. Also, when the crew claimed they could see the "glow" lights of Portland, IMO that would include Vancouver.. I don't think you could separate the light glow of Vancouver and Portland. In other words, you wouldn't see only the the glow of Portland while over the glow of Vancouver. The crew must have been North of Vancouver, not over the Columbia. Conclusion,, the FBI got it right and Cooper jumped between about 8:10/11 and 8:15 latest, not over the Columbia. Tom's diatoms also indicate the money did not land in the Columbia. I have been working on an entirely new TBAR theory that,, maintains the FBI flightpath maintains the FBI LZ introduces the money into the Columbia R in Spring when the money find spot is underwater

In a previous post I stated that there were minor oscillations prior, not felt... Anderson said the oscillations stopped after the "bump", IMO, he is referring to the bigger ones. The "violent" increase and the big one that was felt. There would still have been minor oscillations on the gauge, not felt just as before. There is no disagreement with Anderson. The problem is the vague use of the terms.. all oscillations are pressure bumps but the so called "pressure bump" was the last biggest one of a "violent" series.

There was...

It is accurate. The oscillations were "pressure bumps" measured on the Cabin rate of change pressure gauge. This was replicated by the sled test,, the frequency and duration of fluctuations increased after the sled was dropped. "reacted violently" Anderson said, referring to the pressure bump.. the "largest bump by far".. so more than one and the largest. "but it wasn’t a one time event but a series of fluctuations which attracted our attention. I saw it first then alerted Scott and Bill, ending in a single pressure event we felt in our ears, and nothing following, not even more fluctuations. We waited to see if something more would happen but it didn’t." Crew believes bump occurred at 8:10 certain it was before 8:15. Stairs stable with man on them and very little change noted on Pressure gauge.

Yes and no... The pressure bump is a BIGGER oscillation... The crew used the term "pressure bump" in retrospect. The crew identified when it occurred. About 8:11 and no later than 8:15.

The evidence strongly suggests Cooper had military jump experience. Based on his estimated age of about mid 40's,, potentially.. WW2, Korea thru Vietnam..

This is the Cooper case,,,, very very little is certain. The chute descriptions come from Cossey who also made conflicting and false statements. We also have to sort out the conflicting serial numbers for the back chute left on the plane vs the one returned to Hayden.

No D rings on the harness.. It is odd that the dummy chute is missing. Why toss it? If it was gutted to carry something, why toss the chute out of the plane? There is a report Cooper took some crew meals..

The so called "pressure bump" was the oscillations... it wasn't a new event. Minor oscillations were noted for some time but increased "violently" in frequency and magnitude,,, that increase was later described as the famous "pressure bump" felt by the crew. The crew and the FBI believe their 8:12 report of "oscillations" refer to that pressure bump. "Pressure bump" was term applied in retrospect to differentiate those oscillations which increased in frequency and magnitude from the others. The real question is where was the plane?? The 8:12 timestamp can be off a minute or two and the flightpath can be off a minute or two.. That puts the jump at the planes location at 8:12 on the FBI map plus or minus about 3 minutes along the path. That matches the FBI analysis for Cooper's LZ.

My conclusion is simple,, the FBI got the LZ right and Cooper jumped about 8:11. That is well short of the Columbia R. So, Georger needs to prove the FBI's LZ is wrong. He can't. The four stages of Georger 1 Ridicule, smear, lie and discredit 2 Obfuscate, distract and distort 3 Double down on stages 1 and 2 4 Spend years stuck in the Vortex pushing failed arguments

No Georger, you revised your comment slightly but are still engaged in misinformation.. I stated the results of the sled test. The oscillations/fluctuations increased after the sled was dropped. It isn't my theory or opinion. I just stated the reported results of the sled test. I also stated that there were fluctuations/oscillations before Cooper's believed jump time. You lied and claimed I stated there were none. The crew referred to them as "minor". The point I was making was that based on the sled test the fluctuations/oscillations INCREASED in frequency and magnitude AFTER the weight left the stairs. For Cooper, that was later in retrospect referred to as the "pressure bump".. by the crew who did not fully realize what was happening in real time. minor oscillations/fluctuations > Cooper jumps > dramatic increase in frequency/magnitude of oscillations/fluctuations aka "pressure bump" You also lied by claiming I said Cooper jumped at Orchards.. I never claimed Cooper jumped at Orchards. I said "as far South as Battle Ground" to emphasize the most southern point for the FBI LZ zone. The crew also stated that that they thought the (jump) time was no later than 8:15. Battle Ground is only the southern point for the LZ... Cooper may have jumped further North. Basically, the FBI got it right. There is no evidence to support the theory Cooper jumped over the Columbia, even the diatoms reject it. The clipping is consistent with the sled test... The "violent" change occurred after the weight left the stairs. Anderson claimed it was identical with the hijacking. The so-called "pressure bump" is an oscillation.. it is one of increased magnitude. A: I monitored the gauges and reported to Captain Scott. We all agreed that the gauges were detecting a disruption of airflow, most likely caused by Cooper testing out the aft stairs. But we all felt one physically distinguishable "bump" with our ears which came abruptly after we had been monitoring the gauges. We all felt it almost in unison, surprised, "there he goes!" It was the largest bump by far, an abrupt pressure change. We all thought he had exited the aircraft at that point, because the gauges never detected any further major airflow disruptions after that ‘thud’. The re-test duplicated the oscillations and the pressure bump exactly.