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seconds not minutes.. fluctuations were reported at 8:11... \

I do remember reading somewhere that the stairs were modified for the stunt,, but I can't find it now. That may have been the case. If so, it wouldn't be a good representation of NORJAK. Also, the stunt was done at 140,, vs 170

No, the stairs aren't fully deployed... The railing support joint is just inside and angle of the hydraulics is shallower.. and you have two people going off the stairs.. but it is an interesting pic,,

We have to give NickyB credit for confirming with Langton that the 727 stairs were used for "agent" drops.. It was something everybody assumed but was never confirmed. They had the capability, you'd think they used it. From that, the idea that Cooper faked a bump and closed the stairs is not supported by the evidence,, there would have been a second bump and the airstair light in the cabin would have gone off after 8:11... Cooper believing the airstairs were operated from the cockpit, asking to be shown the operation and having trouble with them indicates he wasn't directly involved in any 727 "agent" drop but he could have been indirectly involved or heard about it.

Boeing report... No "excessive" cabin pressure transients were noted with the aft entry door open and the stair extended.

Georger is liar and fraud.. He lies and makes a false claim,, I never said this and don't believe it. "FJ is saying all vibrations and bumps can only happen when the stairs are at their fullest extent" Georger He uses his own manufactured false claim to attack and ridicule. "Thanks to FLY JACK we now have a brand new theory" Georger There is no new theory whatsoever, all I have done is agreed with the FBI jump analysis. For this, Georger needs to lie about my position to attack it because he has no argument against the FBI analysis. This is classic Georger, he has done this to others as well because he is incapable of synthesizing his opinion in an argument. He lies then uses that lie to prop up his opinion using ridicule. A complete fraud, an intellectual lightweight. NEVER EVER trust this guy on anything. I have caught him manufacturing case evidence just to win an debate.

Cooper didn't close the airstairs after the "8:11" oscillations/fluctuations/pressure bump/burp/bobble/packet/conniption... How do we know,, the airstair light in the cabin would have gone off after the 8:11 time.. the crew would have known.

Parachutist March 1981... Article on the Pursuit of D B Cooper jump. Last paragraph is interesting, the side canvas (not fibreglass Ulis) came loose and nearly took out Donnelly. NORJAK

So what if they don't have data above 7,000 ft, that DATA is what the FBI used to ESTIMATE the wind for Cooper's jump. That is the point. You don't have the radiosonde or any data for the 8:10/12 jump time and location. You are making irrelevant statements and ignoring the issue. It was ironic, when I pointed this out to Eric, he claimed the wind was accurate because the FBI used it.. to build his argument that the FBI got the FP wrong.. Then Eric mocked the idea that the wind could be slightly different 45 miles away (Placard find) and at a different time.

On the same level as Ulis's Sheridan narrative.. without the cow.. Here, fluctuations at 8:11..

Clearly, you are confused,,, That is the data the FBI used to ESTIMATE winds for the Woodland area.. that data is averaged over an hour 8-9 and far from the 8:10/12 LZ.. Therefore, the data may be accurate for Portland/Salem but not when it is applied to the 8:10/12 LZ. There is no data for the LZ. I am not making the claim, the FBI says right in that document how they came up with the SW wind estimate. My point is only that it is an estimate (proxy) and not a fact because the Portland/Salem data THEY used is averaged over an hour and too far from the 8:10/12 location.. You have been asked over and over FOR YEARS bay many people to come up with accurate wind data for the FBI jump location and you never have. You point to TK's wind data, it is less accurate for the LZ location than the FBI PROXY. You just fail to understand the source of the SW wind claim and that it is a (poor) estimate for the 8:10/12 LZ. All we can really say is that the wind was shifting between SE and SW around the 8:10/12 time and location.... even the FBI questioned the SW wind direction accuracy for the LZ. This is not disputable. They state it right there. ESTIMATE

Georger is still mumbling some incoherent nonsense.. The crew reported oscillations AND fluctuations and 8:10. Even Georger said fluctuations were pressure bumps. If you have a problem with the FBI analysis then articulate it and leave me out of it. Robert99,, You are wrong, you have been wrong for a decade.. I have posted the FBI docs and explained this for years but YOU and ULIS ignore it because you needed it for your placard calculation and the WFP narrative. The placard didn't come from inside NORJAK and the SW wind was not a fact, it was an estimate (FBI). The FBI files state (NOT ME) an AVERAGE of the two sets of data would give a close ESTIMATE of conditions at Woodland. An AVERAGE of the two sets of information for the times between 8:00 PM and 9:00 PM.. That means the FBI took the wind data for Salem and Portland between 8:00 to 9:00 PM AVERAGED it to create a proxy for the winds at Woodland, the search area. The problem is twofold,, Woodland is far from Portland and Salem and the winds were averaged over an hour timespan. They were shifting around, a single datapoint for an entire hour is an average. The winds at 8:11 can be completely different from 8:45. There is no data for the FBI LZ.. (about 8:11) They created a PROXY. It is not accurate to claim as fact the winds were from the SW at the 8:10-12 timeframe on the FP. Nearby wind data show it shifting between SE and SW.. IT WAS AN ESTIMATE and the TK wind data was too far from the 8:11 LZ location as well. Salem 72 mi away and Quillayute 165 mi away... "The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis." Tom Kaye

Born in 1994?

You should celebrate with a Bourbon and Seven-Up... Which Bourbon did Cooper have?? "NO TIPPING PLEASE"

It is definitely a sign... and Happy Birthday Darren,,,

Almost forgot,, Happy 99th birthday to D B COOPER..... if he were still alive. (unless he using his altered ID)

The bomb was fake because dynamite is tan argument has always bothered me... There is red dynamite. Dynamite was made by many companies some very local. For example, this is vintage ditching dynamite made by CIL, a Canadian company, they sold amunition products to the US, haven't confirmed the dynamite specifically but I believe they did. Note, very little writing on the sticks, if it was taped and turned no writing would be noticed. It doesn't mean the bomb was real, just the argument that if the sticks were red it was fake = BUSTED.

Hard to tell the weight of the material in pics especially when it is so caked with dirt. Silk shows signs deterioration after 4 years buried in soil, if it was silk it was buried for less than 4 years... But, it looks like the Amboy chute won't be resolved without more info. No idea if it is silk or not,, and if not there is no way to confirm it was Cooper's.

1946 silk parachute on ebay.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/294192214941

This is claimed to be silk but has crosshatch ripstop pattern, apparently there was silk ripstop made, though this is Vietnam era.. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1968-vietnam-era-navy-switlik-silk-1874650796 I don't see a crosshatch here..

There may be something different in the construction of cargo chutes for the weight.. IDK

So, I know nothing about parachute construction. This is the Amboy chute edge seam and line attachment,,, does it indicate anything? cargo vs personal?

https://web.archive.org/web/20080402013303/http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2008/03/03282008_Chute-opens-speculation.cfm CHUTE OPENS SPECULATION Friday, March 28, 2008 By ERIK ROBINSON, Columbian Staff Writer AMBOY — Dan Cooper, paging Dan Cooper. Dennis Levanen, who lives in the Heisson area, said he vividly remembers the airplane flying directly over his house on Thanksgiving Eve in 1971. He quibbles with the FBI’s flight path of the airplane, noting that it appears several miles west of where it actually flew. “It was just huge and roaring,” he said. “It was under a lot of power to keep it airborne, going as slow as the guy demanded.” Dennis Levanen lived 1 mile directly North of the Heisson store.

Here Portland ground wind SW at 8 and S at 8:30...

Finally, found it...