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Boeing records indicate 318 727-100's had the optional emergency release,, 91 727-100C cargo/passenger 164 727-100 all passenger plus 63 modification kits... Norjak did not have this system and there is no indication that the Hicks placard was used inside for this system on any 727. 1980..

This is becoming a clown show,, Georger, Ulis and now Chaucer have the facts screwed up.. Georger has had it wrong for a decade, I have explained it many times and he is just impervious to facts... I prefer if he stays ignorant. Eric is mostly correct, a banded or strapped group of 100 bills is a packet.. can also be called a flat or a strap. Himmelsbach and the Bank confirm this in the FBI docs. Eric is wrong on two points, the bundles were randomized not the packets and it is not a fact that the packets arrived on TBAR separately. The Bank called them packets. Cooper was given the money in packets of 100 bills. Those packets were rubber banded into bundles,,, get it, packets = 100 bills and bundles = a group of packets. Carr claimed that the Bank guy he talked to said the bundles were made random. There are other references to the bundles being randomized to look hastily prepared. Here is the problem, Carr also stated that the three bundles were each a random count, he was wrong, he confused the packets of 100 with the bundles of packets. Carr mixed up the terms. The packets were in 100's. We know Cooper was given the money in packets of 100, those packets rubber banded into bundles of a random number of PACKETS... So, if the TBAR money arrived as three separate packets they had to be removed from the bundles they were in when given to Cooper prior to landing on TBAR. Also, the rubber band frags attached to bills were not documented, there is no way to confirm they were only holding packets and not the bundle or a combination. The FBI claimed the money was from one bundle and in the same order. Conclusion,,, it is NOT a fact that the 3 TBAR packets arrived separately and it is most likely that the 3 packets arrived rubber banded in a single bundle, as the rubber bands deteriorated the packets loosened and fell apart slightly. Georger is wasting everyone's time with his nonsense. This has been explained to him many times and he just doesn't understand simple concepts... packet = a group of 100 bills bundle = a group of packets Carr got it wrong claiming the packets were randomized by the bank,, they were not. It was the bundles that was randomized, the number of packets in a bundle. Georger has been defending this error for ten years now even when it has been clarified. I pointed the problem out on Shutter's site a while back because it didn't make sense,, How could the money go to Cooper in 100's and end up randomized.. they didn't.. Carr and Georger screwed up. Then, I was mocked and told to shut up... by ignorant people. I always assumed Georger knew better but was being a troll,, no, he really has no clue.

I have explained Carr's money "bundle" error many times... Georger just ignores it.. The only difference is whether there were 2 bands holding the bundle or a single band.. both fan out.. the single fans out more.

Ulis is making a false claim,,, The June 1972 and June 1974 floods were NOT the only times the River reached the money find spot. The money find spot was at the high water line in 1980,, only about 3-4 ft above the River level at the time.

Well Georger is finally getting it.. The diatoms enter when the bills fan out after entering the water,,, when they clump together the diatoms can't get inside. That indicates the money first entered the water in Spring,,,

I found this image of a North West Airlines B-727,, It looks identical to the NORJAK plane comparing it to the sled test images. It might be NORJAK but NWA ordered several so it could be a sister plane. but this would be the view for the passengers looking back at Cooper. I have been trying to get a measurement for the height below the storage rack and lights, I think Cooper would barely stand up between the light bars..

It isn't quite the same context,, A better analogy is walking into a US bank withdrawing from your account and using "US/American" money... How many times did Robert mention money without the "US" qualifier... many many more times... but it isn't conclusive, it is rare.. I have always said that. It doesn't indicate Cooper was Canadian or "Latin American",, it suggests a foreign connection/influence,, could be an American.. The other factors to consider are that Cooper demanded to fly to Mex, and was described as Latin American/Mexican in features and characteristics,,, those also suggest a foreign angle but are not conclusive. The pilots said "American currency" and Tina said "US currency".... you have two references.

Ouch, Eric has a real aggressive side when challenged... a bully. The TBAR spot was well underwater from April thru June 1972... I guess Cooper was exceptionally talented in finding buried money under the sand under 6-15 ft of water. His burial/retrieval theory is not based on any evidence, it is absurd even for specualtion. The above doc (and others) proves Eric is 100% wrong,, Cooper DID NOT INITIALLY demand airstairs down on takeoff. He claims to have studied the case for 12 years... his argument is bogus. He has built his entire narrative the same way.. Bad info, conjecture, speculation and goal seeking. I have mentioned this for a while and Eric just won't man up and admit he is wrong... Quote from Ulis... "DB Cooper initially requested that Flight 305 depart Seattle with its rear airstairs deployed. The pilots rejected this request stating that the jet could not take off in this configuration. Cooper relented and allowed the jet to depart with the airstairs in the “up” position but demanded that Flight Attendant Tina Mucklow help him deploy the airstairs immediately upon take-off. The airstairs request coupled with the fact that Cooper didn’t board with any luggage and that he couldn’t be certain he could occupy the last row of the flight from Portland—therefore may have had to abort the skyjacking—suggests that Cooper planned to originally jump in the Seattle area—probably the exurbs of Seattle."

Why is Eric taking TBAR sand samples in March... to compare to a Spring diatom? Should take samples in Spring,, River water samples too... just a suggestion.

I think it is a geo grid... those 4 notations match the grid lines on this Sage map,,, these grids are not unique to Sage and were a few different systems. I assume the potting data was plotted/transferred grid by grid. and no I can't confirm the lettering.

Generally, I always thought a Cooper conference was good idea for participants and attendees,, but now Eric wants to expand to add Bigfoot and flying saucers.. he must be kidding. That would discredit the Cooper case and make it a joke..

If you find a watch in the woods there is a good chance the owner dropped it.. but if you find "paper" money at the high water line of a River there is a good chance it came from the River.

The FBI docs we have note the 1.50 price and the #3 on the label but don't make the connection. It was in Gray's book SKYJACK, Gray had some FBI docs and we may not have the complete versions. I later confirmed the price code,, ties had #2, #3, #4, #5 etc...

This destroys Ulis's theory that Cooper wanted to jump close to Seattle because he wanted airstairs opened on takeoff.. Eric has the facts wrong, not me. This FBI doc and many others clearly state the Cooper's INITIAL demand was airstairs lowered or extended in flight... he changed the demand later when landing in Reno was negotiated. The premise is just false. and.. How not having luggage proves Cooper flew from Seattle to Portland is beyond me. Cooper's initial demand was lowered inflight, this is important as it was his initial intention and it changed,, that shows he adapted his plan and jumped where he did not initially intended. How do people expect to solve this when they have the basic facts wrong..

Ulis doesn't understand why people don't accept his money burial/retrieval theory... 1) The Western Flight Path is dead. 2) No evidence Cooper was on TBAR. Evidence supports Cooper jumping far away. 3) If Cooper somehow made it to TBAR.. why bury the money in an isolated area? why bury it next to the river when there is a vast number of better and safer places to bury it close by. Burying money risks damage, especially next to a River. 4) It is wild speculation with no evidence and poor reasoning. 5) It sounds ridiculous that Cooper buried money in November then retrieved it in the Spring when it was underwater. 6) There are better theories. 7) There may be a scenario that hasn't even been explored. You don't know what you don't know.

NO, Georger... You are a wealth of misinformation or is that disinformation... Tom Kaye first suggested the diatoms entered during the fanning of the bills. I have NEVER prescribed to any plant theory, ever.. I noted that the holes in the bills resemble insect damage similar to termites or silverfish. For somebody who claims to be scientific,, you sure get a lot of info wrong. Why are you wrong so much?

Tom Kaye suggested the diatom's likely entered the money packets when they were fanned out,,, and unlikely when the money was buried or in a solid clump.. diatoms are too fragile to work their way in. That means the diatom's probably entered the packet when the money first entered the River and the bills fanned out,,, and based on the diatom species that means Spring, not just June. Putting it all together. Theory. A unique event during Spring causes a rubber banded bundle of packets (just as it was given to Cooper) to enter the Columbia River upstream of TBAR. The bills float briefly, fanned out then sunk. During the fanning Spring diatom's enter the money packet. The high Spring River flow deposits the single bungle at its find location which was about six feet underwater at the time. The money spot is effectively the River bottom at the time. As the rubber bands holding the single bundle deteriorated the packets separated and appeared independent. Case solved...

Eric keeps claiming that the FBI stated the Placard came from NORJAK.. It was the Sheriff, the FBI walked his statement back and said it could have come off any passing 727.. This is the problem, you are in discussion and trying to reason with a person who is not aware of the facts.

BTW,, I am not against speculation as a tool, it is crucial to advance knowledge. but not all speculation is created equal... it has to fit within the known information and reason.

The placard is dead. Eric will never give it up and hang on to any "possibility"... he has flipped the burden of proof, the only person that seems to get away with it. WE have to prove something didn't happen.. while he only rests on a possibility. His entire narrative is based on possibilities while rejecting contrary evidence. Eric and Robert99 use wind data that is not accurate enough to support their claims.. they have built an argument based on poor analysis and conjecture, not facts. So, it is rare that we can prove a negative.. that placard did not come from inside NORJAK. It was "possible" but still unlikely if NORJAK had the optional emergency system, without that system that remote possibility is gone. There are some other issues with the placard but, It's done, now Eric and Robert99 will deny it and demand you prove a negative.. the burden is on them. Eric's non-argument is "how many 727's are flying around with rear stairs open" so it must have come from NORJAK... Eric must first prove NORJAK had that decal inside, he skips that step and just makes the assumption. The only red handle pull for the interior was the optional emergency system and NORJAK did not have it.. the image proves it and there are two different decals on the door. IMO, that decal was never inside any 727, it was an exterior decal. But the holes in the decal indicate rivets or some type of fasteners,,, not above holding it on but below the decal. The decal was placed on above the rivets. The spots where the tear holes are would be above exterior rivet heads, that is where the decal would be weak as the surface adhesion transitioned from the sheet metal to rivet head. There is NO way to make those tear holes if it was inside.. there are no rivets or fasteners inside. Here is a pic of an early 727-100 taken in 1977... I believe that is the mystery decal for the exterior emergency release.. If you look at 727-200 and later updated 727-100's the decal is a long rectangle. Those are different systems. 727-200 and revised 727-100's.. long rectangle decal. The FBI had the location for the decal as on the outside and stated no further investigation.. in subsequently dated statements they claimed it could have fallen off any passing 727.. The FBI knowing the placard location would not say that if it came from inside.. Outside of aircraft near the rear door.. the airstairs are the rear door Same type of aircraft...

Now this is funny,, Georger falsely claimed diatoms aren't below 3 feet,, (and I never said June, I said Spring) Eric sees this false claim and runs with it to support his completely bogus burial retrieval narrative.. It is like a Marxist Critical Cooper Theory,,, use and elevate any information whether true or not to support a narrative and discredit any info that challenges it. See how dysfunctional the Cooper world is... a misinformation cesspool..

No Georger,, wrong assumptions. Diatoms can be deeper than 3 feet but that is irrelevant. The theory... The money arrived at the find spot when the water was about 6 ft above it, the water rose more then receded within weeks/months. However, the money entered the water upstream of TBAR on the surface in Spring, floated briefly fanned out and sank, that is when the diatoms would have entered the money, when the money first entered the River and fanned out.. The high flow for the Columbia is Spring. This isn't anything new or insightful..... What is new is what caused the money to enter the Columbia and the timing.

Now Robert99 is claiming that I said Cooper jumped near Lake Oswego... This is 100% false... There is something about cases like Cooper that brings out the crazy..

The ransom money was given to Cooper in packets of 100 bills, rubber banded into bundles of packets. The money was recorded in order and the TBAR money was in the same order. The 3 TBAR packets had rubber band fragments but appeared separate. It is far more likely that the TBAR money was one single rubber banded bundle of packets as it was given to Cooper. On TBAR the rubber bands holding the single bundle deteriorated and the packets separated slightly. To maintain that the money could only have arrived on TBAR as three separate packets is a gross error.

Eric Ulis just posted this misinformation.. It isn't jealousy Eric,, I really believe you are a liar, fraud and grifter who is a terrible researcher. Your comments are good as I can clear them up for you. Though Eric doesn't care what I have so say or the facts so he can maintain his bogus narrative without being challenged. Eric Ulis wrote.. "I really don't understand the need for some to troll. It must be a jealousy thing. Frankly I could care less what TrollJack has to say. What has he contributed to the case other then theories such as: 1) Cooper really wanted to fly to Mexico but changed his mind and decided to jump near Vancouver. 2) The money came from a dump on the Columbia River. 3) Tina was hiding cash in her coat pocket that was visible in footage from Reno. 4) There were five parachutes delivered to the airport. 5) Cooper didn't want the jet to depart with the airstairs down even though it says so. 6) Eric stole his investigative research on the tie. 7) DB Cooper was 5' 8" And, of course, the wind was actually coming from the south or southeast that night. All very compelling theories that the world is itching to learn more about. « Last Edit: Today at 12:27:36 PM by EU »" These are brief responses,,, 1) FACT, Cooper demanded to fly to Mexico nonstop. He made a demand that was impossible and had to be rejected so he must have believed it was possible when he made it. Also, his initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight (FACT), that changed when Reno was negotiated. His initial demand indicates that he didn't want to jump outside Seattle (contradicting Eric's narrative). The fact that his demand changed means that his plan adapted to the circumstances. Safe to assume Cooper had a jump location planned when he made his initial demand, he didn't want to land anywhere in the US. When Reno was negotiated his demand changed because the plane was landing in the US, a vulnerable situation for a hijacker with the money and no passengers. He adapted and jumped earlier than he initially planned. Cooper was described as swarthy/Latin American/Mexican American in appearance and features,, even the FBI investigated a Mexico connection. Further, he asked for "US currency" per Tina and "American currency" via the pilots.. you have two sources, not just the pilots. To qualify the money with US/American is not common. That strongly suggests (doesn't prove) a foreign influence which means Cooper had some international exposure. He could still be American, but has spent time outside the US recently. Lastly, many have stated that the Mexico demand was a ruse,, it is possible (anything is possible) but there is zero evidence for that, it is 100% speculation. So, for those who claim it was a ruse what is your argument?? there isn't one other than a beleif. 2) The dump theory,, that was an early theory that I investigated. There was a dump just upstream of TBAR that was a disaster zone,, lots of illegal dumping and debris everywhere. The dump was surrounded by the slough which drained right near the Willamette and Columbia confluence. That dump theory is one of many TBAR theories I have but low on my ranking. I have several higher ranking theories. IMO, the "Cooper buried the money next to the River then tried to retrieve it" theory is ridiculous and baseless. It is the weakest speculation that you can have. Nonsense. 3) There is a pic of Tina in her coat at Reno and she has an item in the coat pocket that appears to be the same size as money packets.. that is just a fact. I never claimed it was money, it is unknowable. 4) Parachutes, Cossey claimed he sent in two and we know Hayden sent in two plus the two fronts equals six.. I never claimed that was true, I was stating the claims and speculating to figure out why the packing cards don't match plus Hayden disputes the chute description in the FBI files.. why did Cossey modify one of the chute handles he packed for Hayden that made it harder to pull.. there are lots of problems with the chutes and I don't have an answer other than speculation. I can't explain the chutes but there is a big problem there. 4) This one is a good example of Eric's dishonesty and ignorance.. he is misrepresenting my statements and the evidence. The FBI files clearly state (in several places) that Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight, that changed when Reno was negotiated with the crew. This is a fact. Eric is 100% wrong. He puts his theory before the facts. 5) Eric did steal my tie research, I posted the dating analysis as I was processing it on Shutter's site long before Eric, He claimed he was studying the case at the time and there is no way he didn't see it. I posted it for everybody to use and never wanted credit... but Eric claimed it was his work and then called me a liar and troll. Eric then misrepresented the tie dates to infer Sheridan had the tie in 1963, this is 100% false. If Eric had actually researched the tie carefully enough he would know that the earliest is Spring 1964. I don't have any problem with people using my research, I have a problem with people claiming it was theirs distorting it and then calling me a liar and troll.. Projection, Eric. 7) I never said Cooper was 5' 8". Some of the witnesses did. I believe Cooper was about 5' 10" in shoes. The first FBI description had Cooper 5' 9" to 6' 1"... Height is an estimate. Last, the wind data shows that the wind was shifting from SE to SW from 7-9PM, the data is not accurate enough in place, (nowhere near the placard find) or time (the wind data is averaged over an hour). The wind data was just not accurate enough to be used in the wind drift analysis. Further, the FBI acknowledged the wind was an estimate and searched below the flightpath.. the wind is irrelevant as the Placard never came from inside NORJAK. Eric is dishonest, he has a narrative to sell, that is his objective... most of the rest of us, even if we disagree are seeking the truth. Eric cherry picks, elevates and even distorts info that supports his goal seeking narrative and rejects info that contradicts it.. He has a passive aggressive bullying method of manipulating the Cooper world to embrace his narrative which is contradicted by the facts... If Eric wasn't buying cover and cred with the CooperCon, he'd be laughed out of the Cooper world.. Honestly, I'd never cared about Eric's garbage theories until he stole my research distorted it and spent the last two years calling me a liar and troll...