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Shutter, You misunderstand the Toledo info.. I am not claiming that it proves the winds at elevation at the Placard were from the S... we don't know. It proves that the winds were not consistent. Toledo was ground winds, if you analyze all the wind data throughout the area the ground winds were the same direction as elevation with a lower speed.. The data shows that the winds in the area were shifting from the SE to SW around 8PM.. Winds can vary over a few miles,,, using the FBI or Tom Kaye data as the actual winds at the placard find is ridiculous, myopic and IMO dishonest. You can't get any more amateur... But it doesn't matter, the placard was never inside NORJAK.....

The wind measurements.... Quillayute is 145 miles from the Placard find location. Salem is 90 miles from the Placard find location. So, the wind data is really meaningless and the drift calculations are no good. The FBI files have wind from the S at 8 PM at Toledo, 15 miles from the placard find location. but it is all pointless because the Placard never came from NORJAK. The real take away is that Ulis and Robert99 have misrepresented and leveraged this irrelevant wind data to advance a narrative... It is dishonest.

The #3 on the Penny's tie is the price code... 3 = $1.50

correction,,, It is electrical tape, explosives and lantern battery... I knew that but mistakenly wrote duc tape.. Did Cooper get the idea from the movie?

The briefcase bomb from the 1970 movie Airport. Duc tape, lantern battery and explosives...

I have a Dan Cooper comic published in Spanish for distribution throughout Latin America produced by a Mexican publisher. If the comic is connected to Cooper,, this is a more likely connection vs French Canadian since Cooper was described as Latin American and demanded to fly to Mexico... There is an association between Hahneman and the publisher Herge... but no direct evidence so the comic may be just a coincidence..

Eric is now making the "false" claim that the T-33 picked up NORJAK near Ridgefield and went South.. Here the T-33 pilot explains that he was directed toward Lake Oswego THEN turned South 3 miles behind NORJAK... The T-33 intercepted NORJAK near Lake Oswego... not Ridgefield. Eric is using false assumptions and ignorance of the facts to shape his narrative..

Tom Kaye wind data... there is a file linked in there but I can't open it as I am not registered there. I do have the files and the data suggests the winds were consistent through elevation and more from the South, however the data was from two locations so far from the placard find that the data is meaningless.. The closest measurement from the FBI files shows Toledo had winds from the S at 8 PM... that indicates that wind data used for the placard analysis is not accurate enough. Ulis and Robert99 have created a faux "fact" using irrelevant data. https://www.thedbcooperforum.com/db-cooper/flight-path-and-related-issues/msg29613/#msg29613 "All, I was having dinner with my science friend Bruce the other night and he asked about Cooper. I told him there was a big discussion about the flight path and the placard drift rate. Bruce is retired from JPL, created the first clear air turbulence instrument and was on the team that discovered the ozone hole. He described the boundary layer over land (as opposed to water) as going from 0-3000 feet or so and it is in this layer that the winds typically are in a different direction from winds aloft. He said the way to answer the question is get the radiosonde data from those dates in that area and it would show the winds from ground to 12K+ feet or so. It turns out that the data is tricky to get and condense into readable form so I had to bribe him with a steak dinner and now we have the data! The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis. Tom Kaye"

It is irrelevant to NORJAK as the plane did not have the optional emergency release system.. but the safety cards state to remove a cover then pull off a flange.. That placard was on the outside of 727-100's, but the US commercial version systems were updated.. The placard can only be found on old images, private or foreign 727-100's.. About six moths after the Hick's placard was found a second one was found.. 99% same aircraft,, I assume they mean a 727. These decals fall off the exterior.

Ulis is correct that the tie was contaminated over the years in FBI custody,, The Lycopodium "club moss" was a yellowish powder used as a lubricant dust for non medical latex gloves,,, But now he is trying to leverage that tie contamination to claim Cooper wasn't really a smoker, he was faking,, of course his goal is to undermine the evidence that eliminates Sheridan Peterson, he was a nonsmoker. 8 cigarette butts were found 7 ID'd and one assumed to be the same. Tina smoked at least one, maybe one of those was Tina's cigarette.. Unfortunately for Ulis, Cooper also had cigarette stains on his right hand.. Cooper was a long term smoker. Ulis will ignore this or create some spin to reject it..

The "bing" sketch of the hijacker was rejected as not a good likeness... the sketch was updated to be more accurate and reflect the age and complexion of the hijacker.. The updated sketch "B" is the most accurate sketch (FBI), suspects need to be compared to the updated sketch not the "bing" sketch.

That grab is from a manual to show that the 727 exterior had an emergency red handle pull system.. The 727-200 airstair system mechanically changed and incorporated the "emergency release into the main lever" only the 727-100 had the optional emergency release system.. The 727-200 mechanism changed and that creates confusion with operation and decals... further the early systems were updated.. The ONLY interior emergency red pull handle for any 727-100 was the optional emergency release system which NORJAK did not have. All had the main lever and it was a push to lower. It's over, don't waste any more time on it. The Hick's placard did not come from the interior of NORJAK...

Ulis is clueless, he has no understanding of the 727 airstair system.. On the 727-100 the normal lever was not red and was pushed for emergencies.. The 727-100 had an optional separate emergency system which was a red pull T handle, lock wire.. NORJAK did not have the internal optional emergency system,, There was also an external emergency system with a RED T HANDLE PULLED FOR EMERGENCIES.. Even the FBI after obtaining the blueprints from NWA said the placard came from the OUTSIDE and could have fallen off any passing 727.. IT IS A LIE that the FBI confirmed it came from NORJAK. It is over, the Hicks Placard did not come from inside NORJAK, it came from the outside of ANY PASSING 727 Ulis and Robert99 will ignore the facts and hide in their ignorance but the love of god,, end this Placard nonsense.. it's over. THE PLACARD DID NOT COME FROM THE INSIDE OF NORJAK. It was a decal on the outside,, the apparent tear holes are where it was placed OVER rivets.

FBI file #56.. the website is screwed up on all my browsers,, this is the direct link, hit and miss File doesn't load in viewer but can be downloaded via link at bottom https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-56-of-56/view elsinore p 20/23/191 campbell no hits eugene no hits shelton no hits egg harbor no hits

FBI file #56 is up in the vault,,, the site is glitchy for me and down right now quick scan,, nothing significant,,, timeframe is Jan - Mar 1972..

Nope,, I just have no patience for you,, pushing the same nonsense theory and when confronted with facts you just ignore them... Your "facts" are wrong... your argument is bogus... the Placard didn't even come from inside Norjak. If I had something wrong about your "theory" then you'd point it out... you can't because you don't have a clue what the facts really are. You've constructed a bogus self serving narrative based on elevating assumptions and conjecture to fact while ignoring the actual evidence. Theories are necessary but when you make up crap and use it to dismiss overwhelming evidence then it isn't a good theory, it is garbage. The only time you ever post here is to claim what I posted is nonsense without any challenge, none.. you have nothing, you always have nothing. If I have something wrong I would like to correct it. You and Ulis just double down on crazy when the facts destroy your theories.. You have and maintain a belief so strong that you refuse to acknowledge any information contrary to it..

You have no clue what you are talking about most of the time.. I have everything correct. If there is anything wrong, challenge it with facts otherwise your comments are just useless beliefs. You spent a decade plus on one theory, the Western Flight Path,,, based on the facts that theory has no merit. Take the L and move on. Trying to discredit others with completley INSANE claims to protect your ego won't fly..

They weren't loafers, that was the media description, not Tina. "ankle length pebble grain shoes, not the tie type"... ARE NOT LOAFERS Hahneman was a 49 YO smoker, diagnosed with terminal cancer,, he leapt with money from 9000 feet after landing walked 10 miles through the jungle... he had a very minor injury.

Not true and a really poor guess Robert99.. TBAR's location made it a dump for garbage.. The River flow hits Sauvie curves right picking up velocity and runs straight at TBAR.. now imagine the money spot about 6 feet underwater.. To make a claim that the money coming from the River flow is nonsense... is literally INSANE.

The western flight path theory has holes in it bigger than Georger's ego.. Eric keeps making claims of fact which are not so. The wind data that R99 and Ulis claim is so far from the placard find location it is meaningless. The closest data is Toledo and had wind from the South. Their wind drift analysis is complete nonsense yet they tout it as fact. Ulis claims the FBI confirmed the Hick's placard came from NORJAK, they did not. In fact, they said after getting the location on the plane from NWA that the placard came from the outside AND that it could have fallen off any passing 727.. ANY PASSING 727. There are only two internal emergency airstair release systems on the 727,, The separate optional emergency release which has its own panel.. a handle is pulled inward and a lock wire breaks. That description is close to the placard.. NORJAK did not have this system. The other emergency system is built into the main handle and to activate it the lever is pushed outward.. that does not match the Hick's placard WHATSOEVER.. The Hick's placard did not come from inside NORJAK,,, I believe it was for the exterior emergency release and could have fallen off any 727. There are other problems with the placard but why beat a dead horse.. The other part found,, Eric keeps claiming it came from NORJAK but the FBI rejected it. Eric keeps referring to it as fiberglass,, it was never identified as fiberglass. There is no indication it came from NORJAK. The other big claim is that the plane must have passed over TBAR because their is no way for the money to get their from the "FBI" central flightpath. This is just poor logic, self serving and goal seeking. Just because we can't confirm how the money got there doesn't mean the flightpath is wrong.. I have been working on an entirely new TBAR theory that breaks open how the money could have moved to TBAR,, it maintains the "FBI" flightpath, the jumpzone and puts the money into the Columbia River in spring matching the diatoms while the money find spot was about 6 feet underwater. The money went into the River in Spring, sank and rolled along the bottom to its spot. That spot was 6 feet underwater at the event time. Effectively that spot was the bottom of the River, the money didn't need to wash to the surface or up to the shore.. There is overwhelming evidence supporting the "FBI" flighpath and all the arguments for the western flightpath are either factually wrong or extremely weak speculation. The western flightpath is dead, stick a fork in it. Somebody, Anybody.

Another good example of bad info used to create a false conclusion is Ulis's refusal to acknowledge the fact that Cooper initially demanded the rear airstairs to be lowered in flight... I have been saying this for a long time but nobody seems to grasp the significance. Long held belief's are tough to change even when contradicted by facts. Forever, we were told by the media and FBI that Cooper demanded airstairs lowered on takeoff and based on that it is reasonable to infer that Cooper wanted to jump fairly soon... even I thought Cooper wanted to jump ASAP until I discovered info in the 302's that state his initial demand was actually airstairs lowered in flight. The pilot transcripts and more recent FBI files show that Cooper did initially demand for airstairs to be lowered in flight. He changed his demand during Reno negotiations with the crew. The fact that Cooper initially demanded airstairs lowered in flight demonstrates that he did not initially want to jump ASAP... the facts contradict Ulis's argument. Ulis determined after careful study of the FBI 302's that Cooper wanted to jump near Seattle... well apparently he didn't study the 302's very well.. they don't support that argument, they contradict it. Cooper had a plan when he made his initial demands, that plan changed when the negotiations with crew had the plane landing in Reno. He didn't want to be on the plane landing in Reno.

The Cooper Vortex Podcast with Tim Collins... (2 parts) https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-confessed-to-his-wife-part-one-tim-collins/ I really like Tim Collins logical approach to analyzing information. The real problem with the Cooper case is that there are few concrete facts, lots of inferences and deductions.. some conflicting information. We are forced to make assumptions to advance knowledge.. those assumptions may be correct or not but they are necessary to advance thinking. Tim uses probabilities to analyze and evaluate relationships and I do the same,, it is math, logic and reason applied to relationships and data points. We all have different experiences to bring to that analysis, some are better at it than others. The problem is we don't have all the information, we don't even know what we don't know.. so applying any good analytical methodologies is undermined by the accuracy and comprehensiveness of the information used. The inability to see this flaw leads people to a false confidence in the applied logic... That process may be perfect but if the underlying data is unreliable/inaccurate then we end up with false conclusions. I see this same pattern with all the high profile suspects. For example, not necessarily errors in logic but basic case assumptions. If your premise or assumption is wrong your analysis is wrong. Cooper had cig stains on his right hand. (FBI doc). Tim assumed he had them on the left based on Cooper being seen with his right hand in the case and he used that to support Duane as Cooper. His assumption was wrong and it actually eliminates Duane. The tie was shown to Penny's employees and they indicated that narrow ties had not been sold in a few years.. Tim incorrectly assumes the Cooper tie was from circa 1969.. It was not, the labels on the tie prove it was circa 1964/65.. those narrow ties were made throughout the sixties probably into the 50's but the labels changed over time and Cooper's tie can be roughly dated. The estimate of a couple years old only refers to the shape of the tie not the actual Cooper tie. My personal communications with Jo Weber years ago is that she is an accomplished manipulator and serial liar. Nothing she says or presents can be taken as legit. I feel sorry for Duane... Duane was not Cooper,,, the circumstantial evidence for is very very weak and there is exculpatory evidence, same as most of the suspects. Tim said he doesn't participate in forums and hasn't read all the FBI files... This Cooper case takes more than probabilities and logic, you need a very high level case knowledge.

Bourbon and Seven Up..

The Sky Chef matches most likely came from the plane.. There were two matchbooks.. the ICS one and the Sky Chef one... Cooper's matchbook ran out and was tossed, he retrieved that one. The ICS one. Tosaw…. Cooper used up his matchbook then Tina grabbed a company one from the cabinet. Cooper put the used matchbook in his pocket, Tina remembered the ad on the cover “Earn a High School Diploma” Tina grabbed another matchbook from a cabinet and he "retained that one"... though not explicitly revealed, it had to be the Sky Chef matchbook as they were the caterer for the plane. Otherwise, there had to be three matchbooks involved.. The statements if accurate, evidence and logic indicate that the Sky Chef matchbook came from the plane. FBI files.. "He also wanted the empty matchbook cover from which he had been lighting his cigarettes and had thrown into the back pouch of the seat in front as she said she would do with trash. She indicated he had another book of matches the cover of which was blue and said, ''Sky Chef.” from which she pulled matches to light his cigarettes. He retained this book of matches."

A Northwest Orient drink menu from 1957... Includes six Bourbon's and "soft drinks" include 7up,, no soda. "no tipping please" if served in Washington State tax included..