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there are two footnotes,, each looks to have a matching initial.. One looks like "Mg" possibly Tom Manning the other looks looks an "F" possibly Charlie Farrell Those are guesses..

In another interview he said all three,, what isn't clear is if only two or all three were together or at the same place. My guess is he misspoke and said two. But, the fact is that Tina was interviewed for the first sketch.

All three stews were interviewed for the sketch,, Rose told others all three were interviewed and it is in the FBI files. He stated 2 were at the same time and place.. (he may have misspoken) The second sketch "B" is documented in the FBI files as having input from all witnesses and it was the best one.

The Roy Rose quote came from his interview. https://youtu.be/1rS68OepZ1A?t=156

I have presented enough evidence you have repeatedly ignored it... of course I have much more..

I meant you are flailing when it comes to Hahneman, He is the best suspect... KC and others are not even on the same level. This about the 6th time you have repeated the same error... I am not interested in correcting you any longer..

Sure, he got the idea from his experience in Vietnam,, well before Norjak. He wasn't a copycat, that false label is why he has flown under the radar.. Nobody was charged for NORJAK, by your logic, nobody did it. You are flailing and losing here because you are changing the argument.. Hahneman IS the best suspect by far.. you are essentially trying to argue a strawman that it isn't proven 100% which is true without DNA, but that is true for all. If I could put him on the plane 100%, he wouldn't be a SUSPECT would he. How many people claimed to be Cooper or claimed they knew Cooper... hundreds.. maybe a thousand.. Hahneman never claimed to be Cooper and nobody who knew him claimed he was,, that is a plus. He was a loner who was staying in Hotels, not in Pa with his family. If he wasn't talking, there would have been no way to find an alibi. The FBI claimed for some reason that he returned from Vietnam in January 72, that was 100% false.

The FBI is still looking for cigarette butts that they destroyed in Reno.. all those whitebread suspects were eliminated. The second sketch "B" was done in colour to reflect the complexion and other slight adjustment.. Sketch "B" is the closest to Cooper, "A" was poor. That sketch "A" out there for a year was misleading and imprinted a poor image on investigators, witnesses and the public. Larry Carr said that they would look at the totality of evidence for a suspect, if one element was weak but others strong they didn't eliminate automatically. McCoy became compelling for many because he had some strong elements but he had some very weak ones.. Nearly all the witnesses agreed Cooper was olive, swarthy, Latin/Mexican etc.. in both complexion and APPEARANCE.. none said he had a tan, (in late November). For Hahenman, no witness said tan.. his UNSUB sketch was a resemblance, not perfect. It doesn't even look like at all like some of his pics. His height was described by witnesses from 5' 8" - 6' like Cooper. At this time, almost 50 years later I doubt a witness could ID with anywhere close to 100% certainty. You could probably get a NO to a maybe. The FBI said the witness memories were fading back in the mid 70's. I think back to profs I had in University and I doubt I could ID them in pics, no way near 100%.. and I knew them for an entire semester. For Hahneman, a witness actually ID'd the wrong guy from pics... IMO, the only way to get to 100% is with DNA.. and that is out of our control. The best we can get to is a "public" solution.. that may induce an attempt at DNA.. and Hahneman matches Cooper better than any high profile suspect by a long long shot.. He just ticks far more boxes. I don't recall KC hijacking a 727 for ransom wearing a dark suit, overcoat, white shirt and skinny tie, brown shoes and sunglasses, threatening to blow up the plane with a briefcase bomb then jumping out intentionally at night over a jungle with a military chute..

Everybody has ignored the olive, swarthy, Latin/Mexican description, that eliminates virtually all the prominent suspects, there is also the lips.. Lips were thin and the lower lip sort of protruded.. (matches Hahneman) Cooper sketch artist, Stew’s described Cooper as…. Roy Rose... "middled aged person dressed in a suit, with a dark complexion and sort of a protruding lower lip, the rest of his face was rather nondescript, nothing unusual about it." initial description,, and thin lips.. just noticed,, sagging cheeks

There are few still images of him leaving court, black and white. I found a short video clip with voice of a guy in Vietnam that I believe is Hahneman.. I have matched images and several unique physical features including ears to get about 99% certainty.. I have tried everything but can't get to 100% confirmation. Here is the kicker, the guy is a radio operator for Airlift Command which controlled all airdrops in South Vietnam from 1966..

You need to understand the use of words at the time, not today. Latinos back then were called white.. Witnesses for Hahneman's hijacking also described him as white, olive, spanish, latin American, swarthy. His military records say race > White, there was no option for "latin" only "other" Widespread use of "Latino" only and dropping the white caught on a few years after NORJAK.

The tan thing doesn't fly, no witness said a tan.. it was November. They said Latin/Mexican/Indian appearance, features, descent and blood.. that isn't just a swarthy complexion. It is all through the FBI files, not some one off reference.

Yes, they may have focussed more on McCoy but they did at least some investigation into Hanheman. They showed the sketch from his hijacking before he was id'd to a NORJAK witness and they said "not identical".. but like the Cooper sketch witnesses thought it wasn't perfect, the sketch was not identical to Hahneman.. I believe later they showed his pic to witnesses but redacted his name, so results are unknown. The problem with Hahneman is he has an unmemorable look, I have a dozen images of him and he looks like 3 different people as he gained/lost weight and changed his hair.. The sketch resembles him but isn't perfect. Why would Hahneman be redacted? They only redact living people.. Hahneman died 30 years ago. They also took prints from Hahneman's hijacked plane before he was id'd and compared to NORJAK prints with negative results. But like Cooper they weren't even sure they were Hahneman's prints. I have no plans to publish anything, I loathe writing. Perhaps I can find somebody to pull together my material in a concise form. here is what I can say.. Hahneman had connections in very very high places. There were interventions in his case. The FBI claimed Hahneman returned from Vietnam in Jan 72,, that is 100% false and easily disproved. I don't know why they would say that, maybe they were given false info.. Witnesses have him returning earlier. Hahneman fled to Honduras in Jan 72 to set up residency using an altered name and false birthdate claiming Honduran citizenship which he hadn't used for 30 years. He returned to the US to commit the May hijacking. Also, I am chipping away at Hahneman's activities in Vietnam, he seemed to be both military and a contractor.. WW2, Korea and Vietnam. I can't figure out how that works in Vietnam.. He had security clearances and may have worked for the CIA but I can't crack that.. It is hard to get info for Vietnam.. his military records were destroyed in the fire. He moved all over the world working in sketchy places but spent the years before NORJAK in SE Asia.. He was a loner and rarely visited his family in even when he was back in the US. Hahneman was diagnosed with terminal cancer in 1971 in Vietnam.. and his mother said that his time in Vietnam changed him.. E. Howard hunt was asked directly about Hahneman and the CIA coup in Guatemala during the Senate Hearing into the CIA activities... Reading between the lines.. (speculating) Hahneman did contract work for the CIA and maybe they covered up him being Cooper because the CIA was under the microscope in '72 and Hahneman's connections and knowledge would have made them look bad. Hahneman's high level contact cut a deal with the State Department. The FBI may not have been aware... the tell, there is nearly zero info on Hahneman's hijacking after the incident which is an amazing story itself and ZERO consideration that he may have been Cooper. It is as if he was completely ghosted.. by design. Labelling him a copycat was genius, nobody looked at him. However, he wasn't a copycat, according to US officials he had planned his hijacking for almost year, right after his '71 cancer diagnosis in Vietnam.

When Hahneman was captured he talked a bit about his hijacking, but when he got back to the US and lawyered up he even told his lawyer not to talk in court. Why, Hahneman had a very high level connection that intervened in his case.. if they interviewed him about anything, he wasn't co-operating. You're not really going to get context from newspaper articles. The newspapers described him as aggressive and mean, that isn't reflected in the FBI files.. He engaged in small chatter, joked and let a stew go who was suffering from stress. Hotel workers described him as polite.. The noose incident newpapers refer to has no context, what actually happened was the FBI feigned a mechanical problem with the plane. Cooper was given everything except the knapsack, he had it easy compared to Hahneman. The FBI faked a mechanical problem and had snipers lined up,, Hahneman knew what they were up to and demanded a backup 727. He knew they had snipers ready to take him out so as they transferred planes he surrounded himself with the crew and held a gun in the back of the Captain.. the noose part was not confirmed by the FBI. I don't know if that was true or an exaggeration. I have reports from two FBI snipers, neither mentioned a noose. Cooper never faced that type of situation. Hahneman's "aggressive" actions were caused by the FBI trying to take him out with snipers and faking a mechanical issue forcing him to walk across the tarmac to another plane. Would Cooper have remained polite in the same situation?? don't think so. The Hahneman hijacking details were very similar to the Cooper hijacking except for the use of the gun.. Hahneman also threatened to blow up the plane with a briefcase bomb. The big difference for Cooper was the crew didn't tell the passengers they were being hijacked. Cooper had it easier. For Hahneman the crew announced right away that the plane was hijacked and that elevated the tension and aggressiveness of some passengers on the plane. So, the environments were quite different but many many details were consistent. Cooper was described by witnesses as swarthy, Latin/Mexican in appearance, descent and features.. That is undisputed and clear throughout the FBI files.. and that eliminates almost all the high profile Cooper suspects.

No plans to publish, but the reason I can't reveal what I have now is because it will jeopardize future investigative material. If you get my drift.

Robert, You are throwing out bogus claims. I am not interested in straightening out and unwinding your nonsense.

You are completely clueless.. your comment is ignorant baseless nonsense. Your claims are just made up and false. It isn't that I am unable to answer simple questions, I choose not to get into the details of my research with ignorant people. I have thousands of pieces of info on Hahneman, it would be a massive undertaking to explain it all properly... and I am just not interested. If you (or others) want to reject Hahneman based on assumptions and from a position of ignorance that is your problem. In fact, I prefer it that way.

Your points are BS,,, you are just throwing out assumptions and strawman fallacies from ignorance. I have no interest in getting bogged down in correcting you, over and over. It is nauseating.. How many times did I have to repeat that I have the files 5 or 6? I am not writing a book and don't want to discuss the massive amount of research I have with uninformed people. There is no upside.. Hahneman is the best Cooper suspect by a long shot, I have been trying to put him on the plane but that may be impossible for any suspect without access to Cooper's DNA. You can't even admit Cooper was described as Latin/Mexican in appearance and features... you do need somebody to think for you.

Robert, you are a joke,, I stated many times that I have FBI files and Hahneman did NOT go to trial,, You keep repeating stuff I already posted.. you are wasting my time. If you want to eliminate Hahneman, go ahead. I am not here to think for you.

Lots of assumptions and complete inaccuracies packed in there.. Cooper was described universally as Latin/Mexican in features and appearance. To claim otherwise is dishonest. As for Hahneman, you know virtually nothing about him and less about the FBI investigation. You use weasel words like "obviously", "may have been" and "probably"... to make claims of fact, amateur stuff. You make a lot of assumptions about things you have no knowledge of... How do you know they dismissed him? you don't. The Cooper case is not your average crime,, something is going on that is either a gross error or intentional to cause this to remain unsolved by authorities. The FBI admitted that they didn't have the evidence and needed Cooper to co-operate.. if Hahneman didn't co-operate then they couldn't put him on the plane. For his May '72 hijacking, he cut a deal, plead guilty to a reduced charge and didn't go to trial. He was out in 12 years.. The reason I started looking into Hahneman was because he fit the Cooper description perfectly and committed virtually the same crime but there was no info on why he was NOT Cooper, I mean ZERO.. that was bizarre. We have info on many weaker suspects... He was labeled a copycat which was false, he planned it for almost a year pre-dating NORJAK... I found no info that eliminated Hahneman and more and more that matched. My pet peeve with this case and the Cooper community in general is that people use ASSUMPTIONS to dismiss evidence or theories,,, that is poor analysis,, YOU USE FACTS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS. If there is EVIDENCE that eliminates Hahneman I want to see it,, I have been looking and I haven't found it... Regarding Hahneman, I have found very high level intervention and 100% false statements from the FBI.. either they were engaged in disinfo or grossly incompetent. Don't give me BS assumptions.

It isn't weak, it is the preponderance of the evidence... your argument is the weak one. It requires assumptions. To reject Mexico as a destination you have to assume Cooper was lying and engaged in a ruse.. that makes no sense. It is not reasonable or rational to assume that Cooper knew his request to go to MEX nonstop in US was fake.. It just doesn't make sense that Cooper made a demand that he knew could not be achieved, would have to be rejected and renegotiated. Therefore, Cooper believed and wanted the plane to fly nonstop to MEX.. Once you get that it all makes sense. So, why? He didn't want to land anywhere in the US once he had the money and no passengers.. that would be a big risk. On the ground he could have been picked off by a sniper. He was vulnerable, especially if he had a fake bomb and no weapon. If he wanted to jump ASAP from the get go, then he could have demanded to fly almost anywhere.. and wouldn't care if the plane landed somewhere in the US. He specifically demanded no landing in the US FOR ANY REASON... but the tell,,, he changed his demand once Reno was in play. Once Cooper realized the plane was landing in Reno, he demanded aft stairs down on take off. Why the change,, he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed in Reno and jumping ASAP was his best option. Other factors, He was Latin/Mexican.. He was not dressed for a jump in the PNW weather.. The evidence supports the Mex theory. The argument against it requires assumptions to reject the evidence. A weaker position. Mex is big place, he could have directed the plane and jumped anywhere, so he was not specific by stating Mex.. Cooper making those initial demands wanted to be out of US airspace and authorities.. it all changed when Reno was in play.

You don't understand the issue.. He opened stairs early AFTER Reno was in play and his plan changed. Why is this so hard to understand. Cooper plans to jump south of the US border, he demands no stops in the US, full fuel and aft stairs to be lowered inflight by the stew. The crew negotiates to land and refuel in Reno. Cooper changes his plan and now wants stairs open on takeoff so he can jump ASAP before the plane lands in Reno. Crew convinces Cooper to open stairs inflight, he still wants out ASAP... opens after takeoff and jumps after some trouble with the stairs. Your claim that he wouldn't want the stairs opened hours before Mexico makes no sense. Cooper changed his plan after Reno was in play, get it... Prior to Reno, Mexico makes perfect sense.. 1.) He wanted the plane in the air while his demands were being met. He is most vulnerable sitting on the ground. 2.) Cooper wanted Mex City OR anywhere in Mex no stopping in US.. that means somewhere S of the US border. 3.) He wanted out ASAP only after Reno stop was added. Why, he changed his demand from aft stairs opened inflight to open on takeoff. That change is a tell. 4.) You have that wrong.. if Reno was never in play there was no reason to open stairs right away. He opened early when his plan changed because the plane was going to land in Reno and he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed.. that is when he is most vulnerable. Further, Cooper was not dressed for a PNW jump. There is no way Cooper makes a demand to go to Mex nonstop that he knows is impossible and would be rejected by the pilots.. The only possibility is that Cooper wanted and believed the plane to go to somewhere in Mex nonstop in US... when that was rejected he changed his demand and his jump plan. The tell is the fact that Cooper changed his airstair demand when Reno was in play... if he wanted to jump in the PNW from the get go, there was no reason for it to change. Initial demand, MEX nonstop in US,, he wants stairs opened inflight Reno in play,, he changes and wants stairs open on take off.. that indicates his jump plan changed.

I have been saying this forever,, COOPER's original demand was aft airstairs lowered inflight.. That is why he wanted to fly nonstop to Mex and that is why he wanted so much fuel.. When Reno was in play.. his plan changed, he wanted out earlier than he had planned. That means no ground accomplice, no specific landing spot,,, an ad hoc jump into an unknown area. Cooper's LZ was NOT his original plan. If not then where,, IMO, MEXICO more evidence,,, Harrison. Demands.. aft stair lowered in flight. Hard to read but it says aft stairs be extended after takeoff,, later changed..

There were two books of matches... Cooper had a book that ran out, Tina attempted to throw it into the ashtray and he recovered the empty pack.. that empty book he recovered had notes written on it. That suggests he took the matchbook because of the note not the potential prints.. He left the cigarette butts,, no prints were found. Tina gave him the Sky Chef book to replace the empty book which he kept.

The point is they were using unknown prints from a magazine Cooper was never seen using to eliminate suspects.. Some have claimed they never had Cooper's prints, I see why. and that Cooper didn't leave prints in the areas of the plane you'd expect to find them. No prints on the rear stair rail indicates gloves. Alice? said no gloves but she left in Seattle and I don't think Tina ever said that. The FBI at one point claimed they didn't have the evidence and the case was only solved if Cooper co-operated. If they didn't have Cooper's prints, how does the FBI put a suspect on the plane pre DNA. And what is the deal with the partial magazine? Was that the same one or a different one? Cooper may have used the tie to wipe for prints..