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Timewarrior and Bruce were talking about the floods from that time period, that is why I posted the flood info "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"In a cold buried milk can, they might be protected" Again, a milk can lid has a metal sleve fitting that is not water proof, the can would have filled with water in no time at all, turning your money into a big clump of crap! Just how much "UV" is in a typical home or drawer that would lead you to your statement about rubber bands in a drawer? rubber bands in a drawer vs rubber bands on a sand bar? Why Do Rubber Bands Melt and Disintegrate as They Age and How Does UV Light and Heat Speed Up the Process? http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/why-do-rubber-bands-melt-and-disintegrate-as-they-age-and-how-does-uv-light-and-heat-speed-up-the-process "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks Georger

The Columbia River has a long history of flooding. Flood stage for the river, as routinely measured near the Port of Vancouver, is 16 feet. It was recently exceeded in May-June 2011. The following are the 20 highest historical crests of the Columbia, as well as what you can expect when the river reaches certain levels. All information is courtesy of the National Weather Service. 1) June 13, 1948 31.00 feet 2) June 1, 1948 30.80 feet 3) Dec. 25, 1964 27.70 feet 4) June 4, 1956 27.60 feet 5) Feb. 9, 1996 27.20 feet 6) June 19, 1933 26.30 feet 7) May 31, 1928 26.20 feet 8) June 12, 1921 26.00 feet 9) June 26, 1950 25.90 feet 10) June 16, 1903 25.60 feet 11) Jan. 19, 1965 25.44 feet 12) June 22, 1917 25.30 feet 13) June 3, 1916 25.30 feet 14) June 13, 1913 25.20 feet 15) Jan. 3, 1997 22.55 feet 16) June 12, 1972 21.50 feet 17) June 22, 1974 21.10 feet 18) Jan. 24, 1970 19.54 feet 19) June 5, 1997 19.03 feet 20) Dec. 1, 1995 18.50 feet Above 16 feet Expect some flooding of islands and low areas, with minor impacts for parks and trails along the Columbia River. Above 17 feet Expect flooding of some lowland access roads, parking areas and trails on Sauvie Island, around Vancouver Lake and near downtown Vancouver. Access to some houseboat communities will be affected, along with recreation and camping areas at Cottonwood Beach near Washougal and on Government Island. Above 18 feet Expect flooding of undiked lowland, pasture and farmland to begin. Historically, the main areas affected have been from Sauvie Island downstream. 12 Above 20 feet Expect widespread flooding of undiked lowland and agricultural lands, along with flooding of the access road under the north end of the Interstate 5 Bridge. Islands on the Columbia River downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge are threatened above this level. Above 24 feet Expect numerous sloughs to begin flooding in the Portland and Vancouver area. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia River, both upstream and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge, historically have begun to flood at this point. Also expect flooding of parks and lowland areas near the Sandy River confluence. Above 27 feet Expect widespread flooding of low‐lying farmland, islands on the Columbia River and sloughs in the Portland and Vancouver area. Historically, river traffic has been halted to prevent water from overtopping the lowest dikes along the river. Above 30 feet Expect widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver downstream to Longview. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia River upstream and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge will be flooded. Many industries along the Columbia River have historically ceased operations at this level. Above 31 feet Expect major flooding. Overtopping of some lower levees is possible. Expect widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver downstream to Longview. Tributary rivers will be backed up. Many industries along the Columbia River and most ship traffic will be affected. Above 34 feet Expect flooding of much of downtown Vancouver, along with major flooding along the Columbia River from Vancouver downstream to Longview. Some lower levees may be overtopped. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

anything in a metal can (milk can) for that many years would have rusted and leaked! I would say it would take a massive wash out in order to pull it out from the earths suction, that close to the river would make the ground very moist causing more damage to the (milk can) as each year passed, not plausible!! Despite its uses in storing and transporting milk, milk cans had a few faults. Milk cans lacked insulation, so on warm days the milk would start to sour in the can. There wasn't an adequate covering for the milk cans. the milk can was used for transporting milk and not meant to be submerged! Even in 1971 milk cans were considered "Old School" and were rarely used by farmers, if one was found on a farm, it was probably already rusted in in disrepair. in 1938, the first farm bulk tanks began to pick up the milk from farmer. That development sounded the death knell for the utilitarian milk can "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Tom's claims are just not credible." Bob's claims are not credible either! at least Tom has evidence, what do you have? a two door Ford facing west! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

remember, Knoss does not have any knowledge of "black ops" or anything used by the Government, he likes "conspiracy" Bob, when did you go to induction? Ummm I drove a 2 door ford parked facing west! what day? I don't remember? 50 different posts about a oil pipeline, Ummm, that was just an example? hiked 15-20 miles, but look at his map and see how close he is to Tena Bar? where did he hike too? and on the west side of the river. Just found this! Classification records are not covered under any privacy act! Classification Record Covered under the Privacy Act? No—available to anyone who asks for it. A man's classification record is public information. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I am up for that Sailshaw! if we all are on board with this, we can simple reply by saying...agreed! agreed "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, perhaps we could do a three way call with O'hara? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Just an example, guy. Not trying a case. Showing concept, as I t'were not there. I only have words, rather than visuals like Bleep. ??? you have made dozens of comments about the oil pipeline running along the river! including a map with oil pump stations, why would you go to such an extreme for a "concept" Janets story was brought out (not by the FBI) because it was not plausible, I'm sure there is dozens of stories you would attach yourself to if you had access to them! not buying it Bob! can you say "bait and switch" "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Very true Robert but, this is a guide for BK, showing him the mistakes he makes RECORDS if you will Seems there is no records of Bob, or anyone associated with him, I guess I'll will be the Record Keeper "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, on your quest for the truth, perhaps you can guide us to the website showing Oil lines (pipelines) in Washington? and don't use the Russian oil pump station again either! try to keep something real Bob! About Janet, since we all agree she didn't see flares and a man on the stairs of 305, what caught her attention in order to see flight 305? maybe a good reason this was buried in the files? (not plausible) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I understand what you are saying and agree with almost everything: Robert says to Bob: Well, I guess I owe Bob Knoss an apology... Looks like the draft WAS going all during the Vietnam War. Dave says; I believe in admitting when I'm wrong and will apologize when I'm wrong, regardless of who it is "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Ok, Knoss, I have retracted the court statement! Now, I owe you a Apology about your statement made in reference to the Selective Service call, you are correct about the ages before 1960, I tried to use McCoy's SSN and found out what you were talking about! This still does not bring you out of the woods, because you Draft process is not matching, so you can either come up with proper dates by recollection or sending for your information. either way it's still the only logical way to start the proof process of your statements! can we agree on this action? You have to understand that as wild as this story sounds, there has to be doors left unlocked! the constant name calling and drifting off subject must stop in order for us to find any truth you speak of! You need to realize the dates surrounding your draft are crucial to the truth, I am standing by all of my previous statements as of this date. I have been more than fair and also admit my faults, "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that is the mature response I thought I would get from you. Bob, it's clear as a bell, you can not back up anything about your past what so ever! I have proven many things about you and if I was wrong, I'm sure someone would of stepped in! now you want to change your thoughts about me only because I have shown your failure to produce one little fact about Bob Knoss, that is your right, and go ahead and run all day with it! from this point on I think we all should take 377 advise and no longer acknowledge your Existence, you want to stay and play with your theory, that's fine, nobody should respond to this until you have some sort of Proof of who Bob Knoss was in 1968! retracting last statement "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, you can say what ever you wish about St. Louis, the fact of the matter is that you did not call them, call it "badgering" all you want, the fact still remains that you really don't even know the draft process! when did you get a Order To Report for Armed Forces Physical Exam??? (see photo) you can go on and on about making a phone call that is designed to tell you certain dates! not records and nothing was said on this end with my Vet buddy, he got his just as quick as I got my information! Your failure to show any sign of truth lies in your statement of being drafted, the problem I see is the fact that you were 25 years old in 68, they were heavy on 19 year old inductions, plus I'm almost positive you probably got a deferment in either 65 or 66 sliding through the age range wanted by the military! the loved to nab you the second you were out of school or College. This is why it was so important to show these dates that you seem to "not remember" but millions of others remember that day clear as a bell. I'll say it again Bob, how could someone with your education not take advantage of a deferment? and wait till you got "drafted" in order to have a false letter made by a Doctor with no first name! My intention was to bring you to the table with your FACTS but, you keep kicking one of the legs on the table in order to keep it unbalanced! you show pictures of things that are not even in the United States as proof, you were high on the horse with Janet seeing Cooper at 10,000 feet and where you thought she lived making your calculations work, only to retract and make a statement that the plane was seen? I suggest you take a "timeout" and come back....only when you have solid proof! possibly take a road trip to the fire tower and dig up your Golden Chute! ask mac, is no longer a source, Jerry doesn't seem to back you? no body does! I have given you more than enough time in order to make two points in your behalf and you failed! you try to make your story fit just like a perfect picture frame like you use to build, but your frame falls apart at anything attached to your name! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob Says: "Doctor did not use a first name. Impossible to remember facts that did not exist. That's a dead horse. EA were his initials according to records, but he was not called "EA". Actual draft dates are being verified. I want to give you the accuracy you request, not guesses. I do know the difference, as stated. You are badgering again." Bob, nobody is "badgering" you, I find this hard to believe that you saw two separate letters, one being your "excuse letter" and the next being his reprimand with nothing on the letter with his first name! giving the Military and letter from a Doctor would be a well documented letter, including the full names of all involved! we are not giving the teacher a note to be excused for class, signed by Mommy! Now, let's throw more gas on the fire, If you received your Induction papers "Mid March" and didn't hear back from the from the (MEPS) until weeks after your first visit, we would be well into April before you would even know something was wrong or anything about your need in this operation! The Government gives you a certain amount of time in order for you to get your personal things together before you actually go to Induction! by stating the "operation" started mid March can only be another false statement! My guess would be if you received your letter Mid March, I'm guessing you date would be around the first week of April. The following are records from Induction letters: October 18, 1967 report date November 1, 1967 December 18, 1967 report date January 20, 1968 April 30 1968 report date May 23, 1968 April 12, 1968 report date May 7 1968 as for your dates, how is it that you are going to find them after Lawyers and who ever else in the past could not find them because they were wiped clean? Think long and hard about how much you wish to continue this adventure! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yup. Made $1.85 an hour as asst. manager at the Cedar porno movie house. Jim Johnson, manager. 3.2 GPA. 6 girlfriends with money. And building my '54 Ford 409ci, 3 spd '57 Merc., 6 carb log, 4:11 '57 rear from rebuilt free junkyard scrap pile iron. (The junkyard owner was a girlfriend's uncle and gave me whatever I needed.) Squeekin' fer sure. I mowed lawns for girlfriends dads, and even worked vacation shift for one. once again Bob, you have a impressive amount of things you are recalling before the "mind altering" but can not come up with a Doctor's first name or actual Draft dates? those appear to me as the typical side jobs College students get while in school full time. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Who is TOG? Thanks n! = 6 3! = 6 take your choice. I'm guessing this is a Knoss term for "The Other Guy" "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

your College Education has failed at this attempt of record search? I doubt it. The letter was just sent. Never took Government Records 101. I was a 'dumb jock' just squeeking by, chasing women day and night and never studying. Did not really have to so I didn't. No regrets. I'm content with my life so far. Levenworth would not be kool though. Take a look at this picture and tell me this is a "dumb jock" do you know this person? from points spread afar, your story sounds good until you compact it together and the bits and pieces start falling out! my friend down the street is a Viet nam Vet, I will bring him here and have him do the call to the Selective Service, just like I did! TOG, MAC, ABC, DEF??? The guy should open his own restaurant and call it, TGI Mac's or even a Movie Theater, I Mac's theater!!! Dunwoody College Of Technology Minneapolis, MN Graduated: N/A Degree: Other Major: Machining 1964 to 1966 University Of Minnesota-Twin Cities Minneapolis, MN Graduated: 1965 Student status: Alumni Degree: Bachelor's Degree Major: Education Minor: Athletics Greek: Mu Iota Epsilon 1961 to 1965 Barely squeaking by ya say? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

are you shocked he didn't, it's in black and white, no big deal. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

getting a draft notice is very similar to when people talk about where they were when JFK was shot or MLK and when the tower fell, it's a moment in your life you tend not to forget! "I'm game to try this new approach" REALLY I'm confused as to why this wasn't the first place you would look given the fact that one would go straight to the source VS going to the FOIA website? what did you ask them, I need my records from the Select Services about my Induction or Draft notice? If it's "wiped clean" there is no "new approach" your College Education has failed at this attempt of record search? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, it's a computerized 24 hour system that gives the dates, not records! How to Obtain a Copy: The requester must be the registrant himself, or show written permission from the registrant, or provide proof that the registrant is deceased. A caller may verify that a man is registered and/or obtain a registrant's Selective Service number and the date he registered by calling Selective Service at 847-688-6888 and providing the registrant's social security number and date of birth. The information may also be obtained by writing to: Selective Service System Data Management Center P.O. Box 94638 Palatine, IL 60094-4638 where is the money part you were talking about? again, why would you attempt this when your records were "wiped clean" as you said in the past! keep up the two step and the dosey doe Bob! "False flag (aka Black Flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive!" just like you! the term has been around for years, my guess would be that since you didn't know what it was is a major factor in why you think it's new! one would think "being in the loop" would know of said term? False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy's strategy of tension. This term is not one the Government would admit too, similar to the movie "A Few Good Men" were they used a term "Code Red" or when you are on the Highway the far left lane is the "fast Lane" but legally it is not. I could understand why you didn't know this term because before the internet you would not learn or really know about half the things as we do in this time period! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

also, do you know what a False flag operation is? don't start using it now either! "No. Please explain. I waive a white flag, you pop your head up and I blow you away with a precalculated shot? Or, I fly a French flag to draw you in, then blow your French panties off? Not sure. I'm straight arrow, Dude. No snakes in the woodpile. This stuff is post-jump and put together from reports from McCoy and TOG coupled with bits and pieces from a multitude of sources, a little Cook, a little Ralph, a little Jim, etc. I never left the yard, like 377 said." While you can only joke about it shows me what your story is all about! A False Flag is a operation done by the Government to fool you into thinking something else has happened or a specific purpose to start something while looking like they were not aware of what happened, lot's of people (growing yearly) believe the 9/11 attack was a false flag operation in order to get us into a war with the middle east! as you are aware lots of questions have come into play such as how the towers fell and how tower 7 looked like a detonation rather than falling by itself! your whole theory would have and should have fallen under a False Flag Operation! not joking about it now are ya? you should be careful how you joke about things Bob! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Correct me if I am wrong Bob, I thought a while back you claimed your records were destroyed or missing like LD's? so why would you attempt the check? I said this once before, this is more fun than trying to find out if Obama's certificate is real!! We need a medic stat...Doctor Thayer your wanted in the DZ....Doctor Thayer report to the DZ "I did not keep a copy. If I had to guess, I'd say on a Saturday morning, maybe 8AM. Traffic was very light, no pedestrians" there was alot of protesting going on at the building you went to Bob, 1968 they were on the steps protesting the draft? I guess you missed them, or perhaps they were at lunch? Induction was Monday thru Friday! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI