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what do you think the altitude is on this plane? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMRwweEkh0w "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

McCoy is actually muich stranger. Prior to his skyjacking, he was studying Law Enforcement at BYU AND had scored #1 in the Utah State Highway Patrol exam. In addition, according to Richard Tosaw, McCoy had been admitted to a VA hospital for a psych eval in October, '71, and released after a couple of days. Further, he was known for his valor in Vietnam, even flying rescue missions to save ARVN soldiers. That's all fine and dandy and I am grateful he did something worth while, but to place him in the position of a Federal Marshal is a bit of a stretch to say the least. This is not like the movie Rambo, where they get him out of prison to go save the POW's and the world, the guy is dead, until he pops on TV! the guy is dead, plain and simple. Lot's of people believe Booth is not in his grave, a large portion of people think JFK was killed by the Government, numbers are growing about what happened with the towers. Now, the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012, and we have one person claiming two convicts pulled this stunt? the people making the claims above are indeed showing plausible proof of those claims, here we have nothing but words, I have a problem with that, nothing against Bob, but we have ZERO Sorry, got on a roll and kept going "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Nope "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what is the purpose of hiding the money? If they limited the amount of people by not having anyone on the ground to assist (mind boggling) what exactly was your role? if nobody was involved on the ground, seems to me that anyone else would be a third wheel? I still stand by my past statements as well, all the government would have to do is set new security measures, why go through all of this nonsense, especially 40+ years of loose ends. you have six years of College and I'm sure since you are smart, you took all the measures in order to not get drafted, because you gave a phony doctors letter makes the above sentence confusing? you were smart enough to have a letter written from a doctor, but not smart enough to use your College degree in order to dodge it legally? Those who finished a bachelors degree before reaching age 25 could apply for a graduate deferment in the early and middle years of the war (up to 1968) and could apply for occupational or dependent deferments throughout the period from 1965 to 1970 McCoy goes from a full dress uniform Military guy, turns around and jumps out of a plane, then goes on a Bank spree, then becomes a Federal Marshal? WTF? This is better than the debate about Obama's Birth Certificate "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have several problems with this, first, if it was underground for several years the metal will rust (including stainless) this would allow water to enter and damage anything inside, even if the money got out, it would be water logged. the ground surrounding a river area would be extremely moist, a typical Moo Moo can is about 24 inches high and would require about a 30 inch or better hole to cover it for a long period. someone would have found the floating can to look in it, for the can to float around for years waiting to deteriorate is just not plausible, Melvin Wilson tossed a drum into the river and 30 days later, it was found. growing up on and around farms in Ohio, I found out fast as a kid not to trespass onto a farm, the animals alert them when someone is on the property, I had many farmers greet us with a shotgun "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

most of them were made out of steel and would rust pretty quick that close to the river underground, I am checking now on how water tight they were, they were only meant to store Moo Moo juice and not designed to be submerged "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Is that right, when I first posted that quote you said, "They were not idiots and they were not "Great Criminals". McCoy was Government and Rataczak led the Pilot's Union fight for pilot safety. I am entirely consistent with the point of each statement," That is correct. I stand by my statements, thank you. McCoy WANTED to be infamous, remember? He touted his role as a criminal plant and helped write the stories and make the training films. You begin to get the picture. what year was the flood that caused the Moo Moo container to become a bobber? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Is that right, when I first posted that quote you said, "They were not idiots and they were not "Great Criminals". McCoy was Government and Rataczak led the Pilot's Union fight for pilot safety. I am entirely consistent with the point of each statement," "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Two 250 lb sleds were dropped during the Jan 1972 re-creation tests. Where were the sleds dropped and what happened to the sleds and chutes? I notice Cossey says the Amboy chute is a "cargo" chute? Is there any chance the Amboy chute is one of the cargo chutes used during the tests? For that matter, could the placard have come from the test flight? The test was done over the Pacific Ocean. http://www.thepilot.com/news/2011/sep/07/local-man-tried-to-help-solve-famous-skyjacking/ also a picture of the weight used. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

could this be possible in Washington? In the late 1940's, a small group started development activities for smokejumper and cargo dropping in the Northern Region, headquartered in Missoula, Montana. Under this program, regular aircraft patrols were used to detect fire, and methods were developed to parachute firefighters and supplies to remote fires. These basic innovations are still in use today. In 1953--largely because of the Northern Region's success in the use of aircraft for fighting forest fires--the Missoula Aerial Equipment Development Center was established. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Now McCoy is a Federal Marshal? Before he was in full military uniform? which is he? " McCoy in full military dress" ? Bob Knoss 11/01/2010 at 5:43 am Permalink Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr? You have GOT to be kidding! Stupid screw-up wanna-be. Couldn’t even walk into town. Had to buy a ride for $15! Lynette Squeaky Fromme was a bigger criminal with a EMPTY gun! I guess he is a stupid screwed up Military, Federal Marshal wanna-be ? Something tells me that you also know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie pop don't ya "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything? You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West" So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river? HE hiked 15 miles, yes. Not THEY. To his destination at the old dairy farm, by a river, yes. That eventually flowed through Tena Bar, yes. That is what I said. That is what McCoy told me. Jo kinda says the same thing, but she will change it now that I announced it. Because I'm a liar and fabricate everything. And write idiotic posts on obscure sites for my personal edification. And pick and choose points of fact that suit my fabricated story in order to make it seem authentic. And I have a gold mine in Oregon that produces 2 oz. per day of gold with only a shovel and a pan. And I'M the liar? I need new shoulder high waders. Take what I say to the bank. It is the most consistent source of facts on this forum, except Nixon's pilot experience. Haven't found that clip yet. I found where he wanted to take lessons. Does that count? Should. Well, if the flight path was off by 15 miles as you state, the river would not be 15 miles away! a plan that started in 68 by the Government leaving a man on the ground alone does not hold water! If you put a container in the ground and a flood comes along, the suction of the ground would hold the can in place, unless you have massive erosion? how much of a "bober" would a milk can be stuffed with money taking away the air volume? If the person in question was indeed working with the Government, he would not have a fear of being caught, or need to hide anything? simply walk away with the money, no? Just like Marla's story among others, people feel the need to give a plausible reason as to why the money was never spent or found? why does it have to be missing? when it is possible it could of got through the system undetected? Tracking money back in 1971 can not be compared to today, many gave up looking several months after the crime, if any really looked at all If you take note to Vicky's story and notice the drum of counterfeit bills was found rather quickly, your "bobber" starts to sink once again! (a floating can is a invite for the curious and don't for get Mr. T. Tosaw out there) You have yet to give anything in order to take it to the bank? one can not give a statement to a bank, a bank will give you a statement! but, you need something in your hand in order to give it to the bank "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Not just because you said so. McCoy is dead. A shotgun blast to the chest will do that. You haven't identified 'Mac'. (Also happens to be my late grandfather's name, so maybe it was HIM, lol) You still haven't presented any 'facts' and the only thing you know about Washington State is from maps. Back to your phony posts at Unsolved Realm if you please... After posing as Geoff Gray, Skipp Porteous, Marla Cooper, yours truly, and even FBI Special Agent Larry Carr, I hardly know what to call you. Quade summed Knoss up on Feb 20, 2012 "you haven't even shown circumstantial evidence in this case; simply a wild theory." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything? You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West" So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

True. No elaborate staged skyjack was needed. All they'd have to do is what they do now and that is to say that intelligence reports indicate increased threats and that new regs are necessary to insure public safety. That's all it has ever taken. 377 EXACTLY....now we are stuck with this! (see photo) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

None of it makes any sense! the plan comes to early before the "rash" of hijackings which started after March of 68! even after all of the hijackings there was not alot of added security until the towers went down! The Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Did Knoss leave with Marla "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Interesting facts here The first recorded hijacking occurred in May 1930, when Peruvian revolutionaries seized a Pan American mail plane with the aim of dropping propaganda leaflets over Lima. No hijackings were then recorded until 1947. Between that year and 1958, 23 hijackings were reported, mostly committed by eastern Europeans seeking political asylum. The world's first fatal hijacking took place in July 1947 when three Romanians killed an aircrew member. The first major act of criminal violence against a U.S. airliner occurred on November 1, 1955, when Jack Graham placed a bomb in luggage belonging to his mother and killed all 44 people on board a Denver-bound plane. Graham had hoped to cash in his mother's life insurance policy; instead, he was sentenced to death. In January 1960, a heavily insured suicide bomber killed all aboard a National Airlines plane, sparking demands for the use of baggage-inspection devices. Fidel Castro came to power in Cuba in 1959, and soon after, the number of hijackings began to grow. At first, flights were hijacked by those wishing to escape from Cuba. The pattern changed in May 1961, with the first American airliner diverted to Cuba. Other such incidents took place that summer, and the government began using armed guards on commercial planes when requested by the airlines or the FBI. In September, President John F. Kennedy signed legislation that prescribed the death penalty or at least 20 years' imprisonment for air piracy. The skies remained relatively quiet until February 21, 1968, when a fugitive forced a DC-8 plane to fly to Cuba. This started a rash of hijackings in the United States that would last through 1972. Worldwide, the U.S. Department of Transportation placed the total number of hijackings from 1968 through 1972 at 364. nothing happened from 61 until February of 68 and yet Knoss claims in March of 68 the party started? kind of early if you ask me, and why 3 years of "training" one would think with this much thought you would not have 40 + years of loose ends? I would think if they were thinking this quick, it would have been put into place in 55? (new security measures) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Amateur Radio Callsigns in the United States Class Size Format Letters Example Group A Amateur Extra Class Four characters 1-by-2 K, N, or W plus two letters W1AW 2-by-1 AA-AL, KA-KZ, NA-NZ, or WA-WZ plus one letter AB0C Five characters 2-by-2 AA-AL plus two letters AB2MH Group B Advanced Class[18] Five characters 2-by-2 KA-KZ, NA-NZ, or WA-WZ plus two letters NZ9WA Group C Technician or General Classes Five characters 1-by-3 K, N, or W plus three letters K9DOG 2-by-2 (location specific) KL, NL, or WL; NP or WP; KH, NH, or WH, plus two letters KL5CD Group D Novice,[18] Club, and Military Recreations Stations; and sequentially to Technician or General Six characters 2-by-3 (Novice or Club) KA-KZ, WA-WZ plus three letters KA2DOG 2-by-3 (Sequential) KA-KZ plus three letters KN0WCW care to explain KAJW4899? maybe it was BR-549? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

1880 541 — 1890 1,205 122.7% 1900 3,040 152.3% 1910 2,958 −2.7% 1920 4,630 56.5% 1930 5,521 19.2% 1940 6,988 26.6% 1950 8,193 17.2% 1960 9,745 18.9% 1970 10,751 10.3% 1980 11,506 7.0% 1990 11,265 -2.1% 2000 10,889 -3.3% 2010 10,666 -2.0% "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Mine is KAJW4899. 1955 telephone number 1376-L. Telephone number in 1968, 612-888-7981. I know every phone number I ever had. Can you do that? I can! Every phone number, every address, every license plate on every car I've ever owned... ...wonder why nobody has 'recruited' ME to be a secret squirrel agent? Guess I should 'threaten' someone...pull the 'I'm going to Canada' card and I'm IN! PPK, Aston Martin, SHAKEN not stirred! AND, everything was conveniently right in his hometown

Mine is KAJW4899. 1955 telephone number 1376-L. Telephone number in 1968, 612-888-7981. I know every phone number I ever had. Can you do that? Interesting? when you google W6EZV the name LeMay come up as it should. when you type KAJW4899, which seems to be incorrect numbers for Ham, nothing pops up...except, caretakeral's post on this thread? let me guess, you got the numbers wrong like the General? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Birth name Curtis Emerson LeMay Nickname "Old Iron Pants", "Bombs Away" LeMay Born November 15, 1906 Columbus, Ohio, United States Died October 1, 1990 (aged 83) March Air Force Base, California, United States Allegiance United States Service/branch United States Air Force United States Army Air Forces United States Army Air Corps United States Army Ohio National Guard Years of service 1928–65 Rank General Commands held Twentieth Air Force Strategic Air Command USAF Chief of Staff Battles/wars World War II Pacific Theatre General, USAF (Retired): February 1, 1965... gone by 1968 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

University Of Minnesota-Twin Cities Minneapolis, MN Graduated: 1965 Student status: Alumni Degree: Bachelor's Degree Major: Education Minor: Athletics Greek: Mu Iota Epsilon 1961 to 1965 Those who finished a bachelors degree before reaching age 25 could apply for a graduate deferment in the early and middle years of the war (up to 1968) and could apply for occupational or dependent deferments throughout the period from 1965 to 1970 probably about 22 at graduation? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have some questions about the Reno FBI's initial entry into flight 305's cabin... Did they have dogs? I believe I remember the crew getting food in Seattle...right or wrong? If they did order food that means the galley was empty and it just may have been the garbage strewn about. I don't remember where...but I believe I read that the flight crew tried maneuvers to get the hijacker off the steps...that could be a total fabrication as I can't remember where that rumor/factoid came from. Sounds like a skydiver food fight...... hangdiver I would have to say yes on the dogs