mrshutter45

Here is a interesting video of a 727-100 people on the stairs at 6,000 feet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I totally down with that, Mr. Shutter. It's the FBI's stamp of credibility that leads me to give her the benefit of the doubt. Without that, I'd be more skeptical. I believe Marla heard what she says she heard and her father told her what she says she did. That, by itself, does not make a "promising lead". What else do they know that caused the FBI spokesperson to say that to the press? agreed, she must of said something that interested the FBI, however she is on record with Nolan Clay Aug 5,2011 stating her Father 'had a great imagination'

Fair enough Mark, I guess you are giving her more benefit of doubt than others, which is fine by all means, I tend to go a little crazy with the facts when her name is brought up due to the amount of research I did on her story. I do understand your points and tried to look at her story by trying to back up her statements and found that I could not, it just seems to me that Marla used a small hand gun to make the 'shot heard around the world ' about her story in August, but the resorted to a shot gun by spraying the public with added features to her now growing story by the start of December 2011

Marla first claimed that she over heard them say, all we have to do is go back into the woods and get the money, this was her story for several months, then on Decmber 6, 2011 she said the following during a phone interview. She went on to explain that the reports of the jump had been misreported. The weather was bad on the night of November 24th but D.B. Cooper told the pilot at what speed, altitude and direction to fly. L.D. Cooper worked as a surveyor and knew this area very well. It has been reported that D.B. Cooper jumped over a very heavily wooded area when, in all actuality, he jumped over farmland and had planned his jump to put himself inside of a six mile area which was only seven miles from the home of L.D. Cooper. I spoke with the author that did the interview and he stated she was not talking about the Sisters area when she stated his landing spot. he would not tell me anything further! That sounds like she knows where the jump site is? and she claims he lost the money on the way down? sounds to me she is speaking about facts and not what she over heard? the only homes of LD that I could find in the flight path were Eugene Oregon & Reno Nevada. her story sounds very good until you start checking facts, such as why was he hiding? they were not looking for him? I don't expect Marla to have all the answers but, would sure like her to explain the many different versions appearing as time went on? If I was Marla, I would be continuing the quest in finding more evidence, but I doubt she is doing this or even doing anything more about her story? In my opinion Marla needs to validate her story, as in showing documents of him being in the hopital November 25, 1971 She needs to provide some sort of record of his Military background of where and what he did in Korea. Marla needs to explain the landing spot she mentioned above, this would be relatively easy to find if she includes where he lived in November of 71, she did state she was not sure if he was staying at Grannies! public records show him in Reno in 70/71 she must have or know someone that has more pictures of LD perhaps Marla could also explain why Marcia (LD'S wife) will not talk to anyone about his part in this? when you have living people not really backing your story while only relying on words of people who are no longer with us, gives call for a red flag to come into play. Marla should be able to get a copy of his DL in order to show some sort of description that nobody seems to be able to give about Lynn's actual features? Her book has now lost any hope, what could cause this to happen? surely not because of what I have wrtten or what Robert claims, my guess is that they no longer believe her story IMHO. This crime is known all over the world and I find it hard to think that the key to unlocking this mystery is surrounded by a little girl of 8 years old that remembers all of this in great detail in some area's just to hard to swallow! In closing I find it very strange that Lynn would only change his first name in this crime! all of these suspects and story tellers always seem to dodge around the real evidence such as the briefcase/notes/reserve chute etc or Marla's case, he lost the money on the way down, so really the money should be close by the 6 mile circle she speaks of? I have nothing against Marla! I just don't believe her! plain and simple. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Ok, Spokane, that is a bit of a trip for a family that was "extremely poor" (384 mile) did she ever explain how they arrived? a poor mans car does not travel well ya know Kind of figured I had that wrong, took a shot! her Father is buried in Clayton N.M. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

yes that is correct but they did not mark all of the costume Jewelry, which also seems to be the case with the actual Cooper item, I will be in contact with them tomorrow to see what she has found on the information I provided, I'm hoping Tom K can provide more information as to what exactly is on the item, marking wise? ANSON Since 1940's. Anson, Inc, Providence, RI Men's jewelry. 1967 women's jewelry was introduced. Tie tack $10 - $25, cuff links $15 - $30, rhinestone pin $15 - $30 ANSON Since 1948 - 1994 MARK ANSON with line underneath it. Anderson Tool and Die Co Anson jewelry. Marks: “ANSON, Pat. Pend.”, “ANSON”. “ANSON, 12 KT GF”, “ANSON, Sterling Silver”, “Anson” in script, “ANSON, Pewter”. “ANSON, Brass”, “ANSON, Rhodium”, “ANSON, 22K GF” When deciding on a gold jewelry item there are always many different terms that come up. The most popular are Solid Gold, Gold Filled, and Gold Plated. It is important to know the differences between Gold Filled jewelry and Gold Plated jewelry when making your choice. Solid gold is of course an exquisite piece of jewelry. Gold filled is the next level and is an amazing, quality alternative to solid gold. Gold plating is the lower level and these items tend to tarnish and can often times turn the skin green. Gold Filled: Gold filled is an actual layer of gold-pressure bonded to another metal. Gold filled is not to be confused with gold plating as filled literally has 100% more gold than gold plating. Gold filled is much more valuable and tarnish resistant. It does not flake off, rub off or turn colors. As a matter of fact, anyone who can wear gold can wear gold filled without worries of any allergic reaction to the jewelry. Gold filled jewelry is an economical alternative to solid gold! anything under 10 kt is not considered gold and is probably the reason they have no marks, we see in other boxes that it states 18 kt gold plated. nothing is in stone as to this being the missing loop in the Cooper Jewelry findings until we can match the two together. I contacted the person selling the Anson set and the reply was....Hi. There are no hallmarks so I can not know if they are gold-coloured or gold-plated. This is a full 4-piece set in its original box, that's why its more expensive, $309 worth Government Regulation: Gold filled items are regulated by the government. These items are therefore so much better then gold plated which has no regulations at all "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks! even if nothing pans out, I can say I tried

Thanks! even if nothing pans out, I can say I tried

I called Anson Jewelry and spoke with a woman that was very kind and informative, she told me that this piece was manufactured in Rhode Island and the distributor was in Utah in the 60's & 70's. they did not sell to department stores such as JC Penney's, only smaller retailers! she also went on to explain that they would be sold under different names and boxes. they would manufacture a piece as long as it was popular and either change it up a bit, or discontinue the piece, I sent her the photos of Coopers piece and the pictures we found in order for her to get a valid look at the piece and am awaiting her response. Anson has changed hands 3 times in the last 40 years but, her Uncle has been through them all and she is going to show our evidence to him, what becomes of this I'm not sure at this point. I also called Stacy's jewelry and they answered by saying, hello? then went on to say that they were not the same Stacy's from the 60's & 70's. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think the video that did alot of damage to Marla's story was this one by KOIN http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/2864291/a_d_b_cooper_connection_in_sisters_ore If you really dig into Marla's story, you will find all of the problems. #1 I believe the head stone is incorrect on his birth, this really does not exclude him alone, but Marla should have caught this just as I did if she really checked her family background as she says. (or did she and remain silent) #2 she said in a interview that Granny was extremely ill the last couple years of her life, she died 24 months after the crime so how did she have this big dinner and go into town and bake pies while being "extremely ill " at the same time? #3 she now has two landing spots, first saying they had to go back into the woods and find the money, then claims he landed over farmland? #4 she claimed her family at the time was extremely poor and yet was able to make the trip to Sisters among other family visits from Oklahoma if I'm not mistaken where she lived at the time #5 nobody else ever claimed Lynn of having PTSD or any problems she mentions, and Marla herself said he was a very nice happy going guy? #6 she claims at one point he was on a suicide mission? If this was true Lynn would not have had Dewey on the ground to to help his escape! #7 Marcia (Lynn's wife) will not speak to anyone about this and Mom only has a gut feeling, but never explains why? #8 She said several times that Lynn was on the run, but public records have been found of him all over the place leaving doubt as to being on the run! #9 I have too many problems to mention of Marla's claims to post here from how she was able to get the walkie talkies in the mix of everything going on? and then seeing the home the Coopers had in Sisters not looking very big and wondering where they all slept? when you really look into her story and see the fact that the living witnesses don't say much about her story (or stay out of it) leaving only the dead to fill in the gaps is not very convincing IMO, she fails to submit any validation of her statements such as hospital records, military records, and only seems to have one little picture of Lynn in a family she claims was very close back in those days! she also claims that Dewey took Lynn to a VA hospital rather than the closest hospital being St Charles in Bend? and with all of this happening it seems they still had a Thanksgiving dinner like always not discussing the "badly injured" Lynn inches away from death! she never speaks of the family being at the hospital awaiting word of his condition? nothing? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Eyewitness accounts have always been a problem and going back 40 years and remembering things is not that easy! Marla for example has a incredible amount of knowledge for someone to remember 40 years back! plus the age of only 8 is amazing to recall all of this. This video shows how easy one perception is skewed! after viewing this you have to question anything these people seen 40 years ago! or even moments after! not that they are wrong but, we are based on the testimony of the accounts of only several people who seen Cooper, and as you know we have him from age 35,45 all the way up into his 50's with Black hair, or dark Brown hair etc etc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-swqr96FWU "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

the only one I have multi- views on has a alligator clip on it. Robert, I do realize the task at hand, but enjoy doing research like this! no biggie! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks, but I'm just trying to help out the best way I can, and I always reconfigure my search words until I bite onto something! I had trouble finding the clip, so I went right to the source figuring someone has to be selling them the jewelry and took that angle and started to get results. Now if you look at my last post you will now see the clip is getting around (real & fake) so I have alot more checking to do! (fingers crossed) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I am finding more companies making this pin or they are just putting different names on the box? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

F.Y.I.: WEISS: 1942 - 1971 Albert Weiss, a jewelry designer and manufacturer, founded the Albert Weiss & Company Inc. NYC in 1942. He had been a former employee of Coro. The company prospered during the 1950s and 1960s. Weiss jewelry offered high quality costume jewelry using excellent Austrian diamente or clear and colored and aurora borealis rhinestones of exceptional quality and clarity, faux pearls, clear and glass colored stones with antique and gold-tone, silver-tone and Japanned metal settings. Desirable pieces sought after by collectors are the beautiful rhinestones studded figural jewelry that includes the Weiss butterflies and insects. Weiss jewelry has become highly rated and is increasing in price, and is said to be comparable to Eisenberg and Bogoff jewelry. Weiss manufactured jewelry for wholesale to stores including JC Penny and Sears & Roebuck with the stores using their own name boxes for retail sales. Through the years in business, the Weiss company has manufactured some of the most beautiful and appealing rhinestone jewelry of the post WWII era and after. Weiss introduced the gray rhinestone to the public. Christmas tree pins were made for Weiss in Germany that bore the Weiss logo. Mark: "WEISS". The company ceased operations in 1971. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Weiss made jewelry for Jc Penneys in the 60's I typed Weiss jewelry and, YOU GUESSED it, it's on ebay for $22.99 (see photo) second photo only shows a picture on the site which gives no information other than a photo. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

sounds very similar to Marla's family commenting about LD, mother says she always had a gut feeling it was him? but says nothing past that, Janet (Dewey's wife) talks about LD the same way! see a pattern here? I found the Christmas Penney's catalog from 1966 among others, but don't see anything as of yet. http://www.wishbookweb.com/ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

In Canada the minimum karat quality of an item to be legally called gold is 9 karats . In the U.S. the minimum legal is 10 karats. As this could be different in other countries any claim that a piece of jewelry is gold should be accompanied with the karat quality. It is important to verify that an item wears the karat stamp along with the manufacturer trademark. It's a sure sign that the manufacturer stands behind its product. Canadian and U.S. laws require that trademark marking be used whenever karat marking is used to ensure the marking is genuine. As a general rule, avoid any unmarked jewelry unless it is dirt cheap. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

could be the glue holding the pearl in the setting? and if the pearl is not real, more than likely the whole thing is not real. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

and in fact more product stampings have been found on the FBI's tie clasp - on the clasp area - see attached. Clear as day. But no similar product numbers are visible on the same area of the nonFBI JCP clasp, at least not yet. See attached. Im going to hold further comment pending more photo analysis - see photos attached. they are very nice! BTW! EITHER KNOSS OF JO SCREWED UP THE PAGE FORMAT AGAIN - PLEASE UNDO IT ! Nice pics! I wish we could see the back side of the tie clip, I believe that is where everything is, see attached photo. K = Karat KP = Karat Plumb (exact amount of gold) K.P. = Karat Plate GF = Gold Filled (heavy plating), usually has a fraction, i.e., 1/20 10K GF GS = Gold Shell HGE = Heavy Gold Electroplate new photo added. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The law requires any gold/silver must be stamped with the proper markings 14,18,24 kt etc. Gold jewelry is made from an alloy of gold and other metals. Gold jewelry should be marked and described to show the fineness of the gold alloy. For example you may see 24k. Gold or 14-Karat Gold stamped on a piece of gold jewelry. You may also see the abbreviated form 14k . or 10kt. In the United States: 24 Karat means it is pure gold. 18 Karat means it contains 18 parts gold and 6 parts other metals. It is 75% pure gold. 14 Karat means it contains 14 parts gold and 10 parts other metals. It is 58.3% pure gold. 12 Karat means it contains 12 parts gold and 12 parts other metals. It is 50% gold. 10 Karat means it contains 10 parts gold and 14 parts other metals. It is 41.7% gold. If the item is less than 10 karat it cannot be marked or represented as karat gold in the United States. The Federal Stamping Law allows for a variance of 1/2 karat (.0208) in the fineness of the karat gold in articles that have no solder or each piece of a soldered piece. Soldered pieces may have a variance of 1 karat. 1. FBI Transcript: "A black clip-on tie which contained a tie clip, yellow gold in color, with a round, white pearl in the center, was located in the seat allegedly used by the hijacker. The tie bore the label "Towncraft", a trade-mark of the JC Penney, Company. Tie and clip were found on seat 18E and Stewardess TINA MUCKLOW, after seeing the tie, said it possibly belonged to the hijacker. the FBI statement of "yellow gold in color" tells me it's not real gold if the markings were not there to be found. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

What if he picked up the matches in a airport lounge? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

most recent maintenance inspection date: 02/22/1955

Earl Cossey claims to have packed all four chutes? where is the 4th chute? the 4th chute was sewn shut! did he pack the chutes the same day? or were they waiting on him while he was still packing the last two? He claims to have packed all four, but then says Issaquah sky sports owned the reserves and some how the dummy chute got into the equation! http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/NWA305-DBCooper.htm Did Cossey pack chutes for the surrounding area exclusively? Two of the parachutes, both chest-mounted reserve chutes, were from Issaquah Skyport, which was owned by Linn Emirch, and the two main backpack parachutes were provided by Earl Cossey, an FAA Master Parachute Rigger and parachuting instructor, from his home. (quote from website above) Then we have Norman Hayden's version, The rigging card shows the chute was packed 6 months b4 the hijacking, then it shows a packing date 11 years after? was the chute out of the container for 11 years? or did they open it back up 11 years later? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Flight plan example (see photo) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI