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one more comment on 'proper'. As Ive pointed out what is 'proper' has changed considerably over time, but the point has not..the correct term is 'render respect'. Active duty military have regulations defining how this is done (which have also changed over time.. the US at one point in time used a left... lol), for everyone else the choice in how and when they 'render respect' has always been up to the individual, including the right not to if so desired. We certainly didnt need a bill stating so..I'm a Vet, and I'm more disgusted that our elected officials believe this is an appropriate use of their time and our money. I'm sure there are a few Vets who think we need a law making such respect mandatory.. such people need to spend some more time with the fundamental documents they once swore to defend. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and this is arsine, a complete waste of legislative time and therefore tax player dollars..it has ALWAYS been acceptable for Veterans, as once they are no longer active duty CIVILIAN rules apply. Anyone who needed 'clarification' of this also needed a slap on the side of the head. as Kallend pointed out above this is just as stupid as a bill authorizing the eating of apple pie and hotdogs.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

your workers do? or the business does? I cant imagine any manual labor job approaching our billing rates (i dont get that either but......) ofc it would take alot to get me out of bed that early too.. i gave up watching sunrises (unless i'm up all night) when i left the military... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

hmm thats the size i need... its a bit difficult to find.. felt like crying when i had to give the GTI back i borrowed to try out... need to get current again before i think about actually buying a wingsuit though... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

very very interesting.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

people still push lawnmowers? the ones you stand on the 'tail' of look kind of fun... but i dont think i'd like the pay decrease... gave up yardwork in highschool.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

CS is nothing compared to being actively sprayed... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I tend to give the pull signal... skydivers will get it, most tandems will not.. beyond that I dont make any real effort to catch up/pass... I'm generally out of state in rental cars when I notice them most ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

From the news story: "When a supervisor tried to persuade him to leave, he grabbed him, threatened to hit another member of staff with a broom and told a fellow traveller he would punch him. After escorting passengers to safety, Mr Yarwood confronted the man, who lunged at him and knocked him to the ground. Onlookers described how his attacker "loomed" over Mr Yarwood as he tried to get up and how their heads had briefly touched. One Railway sacked Mr Yarwood after claiming that six seconds of CCTV showed him headbutting the man."So, it sounds as if he was in fact, attacked himself. Therefore, even if the "head touching" was an actual head butt, it sounds justified to me, for self defense. If a security guard can't defend himself or others, then what's the point in having them at all? so not having seen the video you are going to base your opinion on a clearly sensationalized NEWS REPORT?? lol... no thanks I'll still side with those who have actually reviewed the video. Security Guards CAN defend themselves and their charges.. however there are clear guidelines for how they may do so as they are not LEOs, they lack both the training and the athourity... It may suck to be the 'good guys' but if you are incapable of operating inside the parameters required for your job then dont take the job, or accept the consequences when you exceed them. Obviously his bosses believe he exceeded his guidelines, and now he is paying the consequences. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I'll be there late Saturday afternoon with my sister.. but will be in Boston most of the morning... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Have you ever watched a military movie and wondered,' Who the hell taught those people to salute?' Hand bent, striking somewhere on the forehead, arm flopping around. Yea, right! no, being a movie I dont really care.. they are actors... most of them stand around in groups with gunbarrels pointing at each other too... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

right? by what standard? there are hundreds of salutes.. even more if you include those under arms.. I know some 30 variations of sabre salutes that were all 'regulation' at one point... other than active duty members there are no restrictions on the manner of salute. Active Duty have no choices, everyone else can use whatever means they feel appropriate. Civilians who salute should do it properly, or not bother. Proper? what is 'proper' for active duty has absolutely no bearing on any civilian. see below.. two very different yet 'proper' salutes... care to explain why the differences 'should' matter at all to a civilian?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you are arguing about facts you dont have.. I'm supporting my original statement. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

just like you? violently, ignorantly disagreeing with those who HAVE reviewed what happened? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

call my lawyer? no need, because I'm well aware of when and where I can use deadly force. I'm also trained and aware of a large number of restraint and submission techniques, NONE of which include a 'head butt' but go right ahead commit clear assault in 'defense' of someone else instead of using proper judgment and training.. and enjoy the remains of your life because you acted emotionally and irrationally instead of professionally. ok: I WILL call my lawyer...right after 911 and reporting a shooting... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

nice... not very familiar with the forum rules or the law are you?? the people being assaulted could have defended themselves (including a headbutt if necessary.) a security guard cannot do much more than restrain until/unless he is attacked himself.. But I'm sure you have all the answers as to who was in the wrong? I'll side with the people who have actually reviewed the footage and decided this security guard exceeded his authority. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

heh... at least i'm not the only one smoking his credit card monthly ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ask and ye shall receive http://www.the-lingerie-post.com/brands/barely-there/more-nud-coverage.html SFW....something there for most everyone.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

View>Text size is also standard for IE and Firefox... why doesnt everyon explore the menus of the programs they use regularly? If you havent you probably should... will save LOTS of headaches and silly 'mistakes' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

right? by what standard? there are hundreds of salutes.. even more if you include those under arms.. I know some 30 variations of sabre salutes that were all 'regulation' at one point... other than active duty members there are no restrictions on the manner of salute. Active Duty have no choices, everyone else can use whatever means they feel appropriate. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you and me both.. all throughout grade and highschool everyone of my school books had 'paperbag covers' COVERED in Frazetta drawings i'd copied. Even the art teacher and I went around and around about my 'subject matter' but she couldnt do more than express her distaste in one grading category... as my technique in oil and water (from years of mimicking frazetta and boris) surpassed her own (she didnt want to let me into her advanced painting classes as a junior (coming from europe) who hadnt taken her prerequisite 'basics' (she actually had the gall to tell another teacher that there was no way I could have painted most of my portfolio) attire? long hair, camo/leather jacket or trench coat? lol.. yea that would fly post columbine. Actually got sent to the office by a teacher who didnt like some of the slogans and unit patches on the back of my fathers fatigue top. Fortunately the Principle was also a vet and took care of it.... I wouldnt have come back if they told me I couldnt wear it.. that particular patch was my fathers unit in Vietnam with the tour tabs around it. History report? guaranteed it was a battle summary of tactics and options used... Creative writing? Exposition on the intruder my mother shot? HP Lovecraft inspired horror tales?? Sci-fi based murder mysteries? yea right.. Hell I probably wouldnt be allowed to bring my 'weapons' (fencing) to a modern high school.. and I introduced more than 300 highschool students to the sport (they enrolled in our salle) through practical demos during PE... strangely enough all those behaviors and attitudes developed in DoD schools in Europe and were never a problem until we returned to 'the land of the free' and a school system ranked in the last 5 for the US. It shocks me now talking to fresh military recruits who cant name any of the major battles from any war the US has ever participated in... I guess they dont teach those at all anymore... We used to take field trips to see them... if/when I have kids there is zero chance they will be educated at any public institution. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

he is not a LEO.. in the US that would be assault. If the CCTV is factual he deserved to be fired and charged. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

nice hip check.. wrong sport ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

just a quick stroll thru the ASU campus illustrates that is a very real risk for any straight male... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

very true... the shower scene is the only reason to watch that piece of shit they grafted RH's name on ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.