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this subject is actually being taught in many criminal investigation courses..in many cases the 'unreality' of TV leads potential jurors (who often seem to be made up of the lowest common denominator) to unrealistic expectations about what can really be done by modern forensics as well as within the budget limitations and time constraints of local jurisdictions.. personally i get a really good laugh out of the so called 'image enhancement' capabilities displayed in nearly every TV show where camera/video footage is used as key evidence... however given the standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' prosecutors SHOULD have an uphill fight to deny life and liberty to anyone accused of a crime. the flip side of this is the focus on CSI techniques and forensic evidence also educates real criminals as to what, where, why, how they could conceivable be caught... this makes the intelligent criminal that much more difficult to catch as well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

a carving turn is more gradual (less extreme angle of attack than a 'snap' turn) and builds speed more efficiently by not swinging you out as far..... it also gives you a longer 'look' and therefore more time to adjust ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I always thought this was the answer & considered getting a suit w/ more drag... However, reading around; it now looks like we're being told to learn to fly our bodies slowly - not use material to do it for us. The more fitted leg & arms are being used for more proficient flying. I need help slowing down A LOT. But am confused on the advice of drag vs. min drag for legs. should be a combination of both.. absolutely, focus on correct (efficient) body position, but dress for success... what this means in practical terms is you shouldn’t be compensating for bad habits by adopting a baggier suit... that said, there are people and dives i could simply not stay up with if i were wearing shorts or jeans vs my normal pants/jumpsuit while they were flying in their standard suits... and dives with a few floaty types (who’s normal body position is a stand in an 'average' sitfly dive) where i have to get so big to stay on level that i sacrifice alot of ability to maneuver... you want to wear a suit that offers you the widest range of fall rates without compromising your ability to maneuver once level... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

better living through chemistry... better living for the pharmaceutical company CEOs.. yes ADHD is real, i have it, and still have issues with it somedays, but prescription drugs should be the LAST resort, not the first... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i disagree completely.. (once you are off student status) a jumper should rely on themselves to make the correct gear choices..certainly, take advice from those who mentor you, but relying on a merchant for your own personal safety is foolish.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think your projecting something into the original question... it isnt about being 'eager to die' its about being 'eager to live' there is a VAST difference between being told 'skydiving will eventually kill you' and being told that 'your next jump will kill you'.. but anyone who isnt prepared to accept that 'the next jump might kill them'.. is probably in wrong sport... there are infinitely more options, motivations and approaches to living life (and anyone particular experience of it) than the two categories you've created... 'nuts' is relative to your personal risk level... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ja so far.. havent really played much with it, but the basics worked well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ah well in that manner yes.. we all depend on the social norms that dictate which side of the road we keep our vehicles on.. but as a matter of life and livelihood, i do not support anyone other than myself and whatever cause i happen to be interested in.. there are a great many things about my life i wouldnt do in the way that I do if i had kids (for example) who's future depended on how i live my life, or how long i live... recent discussion with one of my mentors[/I] I’m a bit older… but for the most part, just as ‘unattached’. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say ‘the only one I’m [I]responsible[/I] for is myself’ Everyone has to decide for themselves where their priorities lie… personally I’m here to see and experience as much as I possibly can, in anyway, shape or form that it comes… sometimes that means I’m trying to poke the proverbial tiger with a flaming stick… but then I can say I’ve seen the tiger REALLY pissed… and it was worth every second…. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

seems like it would be an easier task in either java or flash... but then i'm rusty at both so..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if your scotch irish.. you can wear either red or green (but not both.. that was 3 months ago) and get in a fight with yourself... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

so for everyone who answered "hell NO" "your crazy" lets suppose that knowing skydiving would kill you if you continued, you sold your gear, walked off the DZ and were promptly hit by a blue hair in a land sled while crossing the street.. would you still feel (in that instant of epiphany as the LTD barrels down on you) that quitting was worth it?? if knowing the manner of your death would somehow interfere with the manner you actually live in the first place, then you have deeper issues than anyone you've mistakenly attributed a 'suicidal tendency' to... live! full force ten.. every moment of every day... because it could very well be your last, and there isnt any sense in dying with regrets or horizons unseen... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

absolutely... i'd still jump, climb, ski... many things i enjoy carry a significant chance of fatality.. death is a part of life.. you cant avoid it, no matter how hard you try.. some day some where you will hear the sound of her wings..... and i'd rather go doing something i loved than something stupid like a car wreck... but then i structure my life specifically so that i can risk it in any manner i chose.. no one depends on me but me... there are people i'd die for if it was a choice, but no matter what you cant live for them... thats not really life at all... then again... if i KNEW skydiving is what would kill me... imagine the REALLY sick shit i could get away with outside the sport ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

the primary thing being that you dont HAVE to swoop every single jump.. evaluate the total conditions and abort if they are not in your favor... part of my nature, and part of my day job is to isolate specific techniques and conditions to recreate a single instance to perfection... this is NOT a good approach to skydiving or swooping... my focus on the specific technique i was working on at the time led me to neglect a crucial factor in its performance.... i was trying to get as smooth a turn (for as much dive as possible) and so quite literally spun myself into the ground by not recognizing i had already passed the safe entry point for the turn i had planned... foolishly i went anyway..... fortunately i recognized it, (could have, should have, been sooner and it would have never been an issue) in enough time (and with enough altitude left) to mitigate the results of my error... at the same time.. i still recognize that, given the margins of error for what we are doing, even a small mistake can still be fatal to anyone at any experience level.... there is a reason it is often referred to as the 'bleeding edge', how close you walk to that edge is entirely up to you.… education is key.. but anyone who thinks it will actually PREVENT an accident is fooling themselves.. and should look up the defintion of accident... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

duh.. yet the goverment seems to think that sending its pilots to our training is HIGHLY benificial.. do you want to bet 10ish hours of live flight against 3000 hours of sim time? i've certainly showed a few real pilots a few tricks or two.. and they have show me several as well... ps.. the only time i've crashed is when testing the autorotation and system damage simulations...it is a complete simulation.. if you discount the educational experience you are a fool... fortunately our government is not so naive...our simulators are used on nearly EVERY military platform in existence, and come highly praised by the real world instructors.. so obviously someone understands that it is far more than an 'expensive video game' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

wanna make that bet? i have 0 hours of air time in a helio.. and i can guarantee you i can fly one better than you.. know anyone who wants to risk their helio? Do get video... Bob (helicopter CFII) heya Bob... how's life at kapow.. wish it were better from the things i hear down south... i guess i should have mentioned to Ron, i build simulators for AH64Ds.....

[Bobbie voice] alright thats it! this thread has gotten entirely to silly.. start over[/Bobbie voice] ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

This, coming from a skydiver, who depends upon exactly the thing he criticizes, every time he jumps out of a plane... the difference is i'm not using the tools generated by that industrial complex to take another life... you are and yet you still pretend the effort and energy is your own.. maybe if I claimed it was my ability that got me to altitude you have a point but as is its just a silly analogy… oh yea.. i suppose i didnt follow the fresh tracks of that deer for nearly 2 hours to get close enough to take that picture either? All the while having to worry about assholes who cant/wont confirm their target (because the rifles they barely understand let them shoot at anything that moves with a decent chance of killing it) the 'standard method' you describe is to sit out by well known animal trails outside of the animals usual sense range/sphere then use a modern weapon to perform the actual work, and exactly the reason why its becoming harder to hunt every year... its so easy a child can do it... i'm judging based on years of growing up inside a hunting culture, having to deal with the egotistical assholes who are so proud of their 'skills' they cant be bothered to wash the blood off the hood of their truck (that they drove illegally up through the woods to avoid having to walk a few extra miles) before school monday morning... i'm judging by the real stories i hear EVERY YEAR at family reunions about hunters killing underage animals on protected land...and leaving the remains of the party they brought with them as evidence.. i'm judging on the increasingly longer distances the lack of prey forces you to go nowdays and the long waiting lists it takes to even gain access to some sites all because picking up a gun in kmart and shooting any animal that walks by is considered 'hunting'... many of these 'hunters' dont even bother to police their shells and leave all of their trash behind and continue to ruin the environment for EVERYONE that uses it... responsible 'hunters' are the minority.. those who actually have the enough respect for their prey to not rely on the invention and technology developed by another to take the life they feel is their 'right' are even rarer... sure, you pulled the trigger... but Browning made it possible for that incredibly easy action to be considered 'skillful 'hunting'. All the simple shooting skills you describe can be easily exercised at any firing range....or by an 8 year old out in the woods with dad and uncle..... but continue to believe you've done something special... 1 mile?? you say that like its a distance or something. exactly how lazy are you?? 1 mile? and bring a bow next time… see how many deer you get… and see how much closer you have to be… then come back and tell me YOU did the actual work instead of your rifle… ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

411 total.. and over 200 on that canopy... i had been doing 270s (when conditions were right) for 50ish jumps...nearly always to high.. an infinitely better outcome than to low and i knew (know) the difference between a 'good turn' that leaves you your full control range and a 'just dug out and saved my ass' one that planes out above ground only because you used all your flare to make it.. that was my critical mistake (with several less significant ones contributing to it up to that point)... coming back from a long spot on rear risers to the field on the other side of the DZ where i hadnt landed (recently.. over a year) i completely blew my sight picture while trying to focus on getting a smoother turn and set up to low.. also the same smoother turn i had been working on for several jumps prior (when a sharper less effective turn would have taken less total altitude and planed out faster)...and the combination of steeper dive and absolutely terrible set up used up all the altitude i had left myself... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

wanna make that bet? i have 0 hours of air time in a helio.. and i can guarantee you i can fly one better than you.. know anyone who wants to risk their helio? Wrong, you think you "had it under control". Your broken leg shows that you did not. Its not like you had mal, were cut off...ect you just flat out flew a good wing into the ground. an ignorant statement, you have absolutely no idea what i 'thought' but you continue to make stupid assumptions about it because you apply your thoughts and motivations to everyone else... just because ego was(is) YOUR problem does not mean everyone else has the same issues you still obviously exhibit. i know i was lucky, i've publically admitted it, but i also know recognized my error in time to dig out completely (i was already fully into the turn) and roll to absorb the impact... but there really isnt any point in any discussion with you because despite your COMPLETE ignorance of the actual occurrence, you still stick solidly to your blanket assumption that really applies only to yourself and the corner your found yourself in when YOU fucked up... so stop playing holier than thou.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and will no matter how much training and time they have... gravity and inertia dont change.. if you 'screw up' and make a mistake skydiving it can kill you, and will no matter who's course you've attended or how many jumps you have..... (didnt you read the waiver?) ego had absolutely nothing to do with my accident, but you cant seem to see past your own to recognize that your personal problems dont apply to everyone. doubt if you wish... i started jumping this stilletto around 200 jumps.. and i demoed several 150s before i got this one... it was just a matter of right place and price when i finally picked it up and it was my second choice.. ( i preferred the nitron but the price was right) flat turn 90 degrees at 50 feet flare turn at least 45 degrees and crosswind and in no wind land reliably within a 10 meter circle initiate a high performance landing with double front risers and front riser turn to landing and on slight uphills and downhills land with rear risers other than land on rear risers (which i have done twice to prove to myself i could) i did all of these inside my first 4 jumps on this canopy (at around 200 jumps mind you) crosswind landings are daily occurrences at eloy, and pretty common anywhere else that has predefined directions.. (up the hill, down the hill at kapow which should answer the 2nd to last for you) accuracy is important on every jump so its practiced continually. depending on traffic (i'm never going to cut across other jumpers because i'm committed to hitting MY spot) i might not land where i preplanned to before take off, but i can reliably hit the target i decide on before entering the landing pattern double fronts, 90 and 180+ deg risers turns are all standard approaches (I was working on the 270 on this canopy and initiated it too low when I broke myself...) my second jump on the silletto was a off landing (waaaay off) into an unknown field and required a fairly tight pattern to land in, not quite sure if my flat turn occurred at 50 ft, but it was fairly low... so yes, i did the majority of that list in under 4 jumps on this canopy...and still kept it for the next 200 because i hadnt done all of MY list yet... (270s being one of the primary) actually the flight characteristics of this canopy that are leading me to trading it for one with a longer recovery arc.. the shorter arc of the stilleto (and my lighter wingloading than most doing 270s) means that the 'sweet spot' for a ‘perfect’ 270 is lower than i'd like and leaves narrower margin of error than on a canopy that will dive longer.... being able to initiate a 270 at a higher altitude grants a longer entry window to turn in and more time to abort / correct if i were putting myself into the corner. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and they support skydivers too... be aware most civilian body armor (without the plates) wont do much against a rifle round... but it will likely stop shrapnel... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

your ignorance is showing...i grew up in a hunting culture, and have seen first hand exactly how much 'skill' it requires..I shot my first deer around age 8, field dressed under supervision and was required to carried the bulk of it out myself ("you shot it, you carry it"). None of which is very difficult, and all far to easy when an adolescent can do the same task as a full grown adult. I also have 2 cousins who are game wardens in the south east, so i have a VERY good idea of how much effort and energy is required and how the majority of 'hunters' conduct themselves...some of the things i've been told about are simply sickening... and yet just like you they all believe they are exercising skill and pretend they different from those who buy their meat in the store.... but oh yea.. pat yourself on the back next time Browning kills a deer for you and pretend you have some 'mad skills'. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

beaten to death? please.. better work on the reading skils as well and drop your ignorant assumptions.. so simple slaughter and skinning an animal is what you call 'hunting' skill? all the while you rely on the advances of gunsmiths to do the real work of killing? pathetic... the long hours of waiting you have to put in are created BECAUSE it is so simple for skillless 'sportsmen' like yourself to get within 200 yds (often by baiting a feild and then drinking themselves into a stupor in their stands) and kill a deer with a simple twitch of the finger.. pick up a manual weapon, one driven and controlled by the force of your arm, not chemical action of a substance and weapon you likely dont really understand and could NEVER reproduce on your own and THEN stalk for 3 days, learn how to predict the path of your prey and its patterns.. then stand completely still for 2+ hours and draw painfully slowly and hold for another 10 min while your quarry draws near enough for the one instant where you will have a clear clean shot... never mind... obviously your completely dependant on your rifle.. good thing you can go buy it across the street from the grocery store... maybe you should just admit you lack the abilities to provide for yourself without the weapon and ammo you bought in kmart.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you should do some research.. trophy hunting has already driven multiple species into extinction... the pitance paid by modern trophy hunters does little to support the few that remain and their decreasing habitats.. your children will never see a tiger in the wild and there are species of tiger and other large cats that no one still living has ever seen even in zoos. trophy hunters killed them, with mass hunts and the simple pull of a trigger from a nice safe distance. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you miss the point entirely... it isnt the animals suffering that i am concerned with at all, it is dead either way...it is the means by which you earn the life you take that matters... use YOUR energy, your means and skills to kill your prey. Your mind and tracking abilities and the force of your muscle. not the technological advances you could never reproduce without a modern industrial complex to support your 'sport' oh wait.. you've just stated you want a nice clean kill without any struggle... if the taste of the meat and the lack of adrenilen in the muscle is your concern then the farm raised deer shot remotely without any awareness of their impending doom should be right up your alley. its quite obvious you want all the benifits of a skill ful hunter, with none of the actual effort... so much easier to let Browning do all the hard work for you... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.