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I'm fully aware of the history surrounding Sangi, and if you're somehow under the delusion that rapidly downsizing and swooping as Sangi did compares to wearing a camera then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is. There's no comparison between the two. There may be no comparison between the two but when a jump goes for shit the end result can be the same or comparable or worse "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Thanks Bill,,,at least you're reasoning is balanced

I can see the logic in spending to stimulate the economy, you've raised some valid points that I was not aware of. So that takes us back to the OP's original question How high should it be allowed to go? How much $$$ do we throw out there to stimulate the economy based on your model?? If the status quo is maintained how much do you increase the debt to get the results you want or expect.??? 16.3 Trillion? 20 Trillion? 25 Trillion? 30 Trillion? 35 Trillion? . . . . 100 Trillion?? At what point does throwing all this cash into stimulating the economy become counterproductive? And once the economy has stabilized and the economy has nicely recovered what steps do you take to reduce that debt and how long is it going to take to pay the debt off.? How much is too much and how much is not enough?? "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

It sounds to me that you misunderstand what I mean by running a country like a business, I am referring to governments / companies keeping their spending under control by eliminating waste within the government itself. Companies practice lean manufacturing eliminating non value added steps in processes, governments can do the same by making each department leaner and more efficient thus cutting costs and saving money, streamline social programs ensuring that abuses of social programs is reduced, by eliminating waste the government can ensure thatthe taxes it does collect from it's citizens is uses wisely and effectively, ensuring taxpayers get the best bang for their buck. A prime example is the the Province of Ontario, In the 90's Bob Rae and the New Democat Party tried to spend their way out of the recession racking up a huge deficit in the process, then along came Chainsaw Mike Harris who cut spending, health care , social programs etc, declared Ontario open for Business and turned Ontario into Canada's Economic Engine, over time he did make some costly mistakes but as a whole the province was booming, then in 2002 along came Dalton McGuinty (Liberal Party) pandering to the pissed off public service and health care workers unions, promised them the moon and got elected with a majority government, since then spending has been out of control, different government scandals has wasted billions of taxpayer dollars, the unions are extremely happy with the generous raises provide by the Liberal Government, Ontario is not open for business as I do not know any company that will open up shop in a place where electricty costs are skyrocking and predicted by the government to go up by 48% over the next 5 years. Moody's has told the Ontario Liberal Government to get their spending in check or face a credit downgrade. When I say a government or a country, state province city whatever needs to be run like a business this is what I mean. Obviously you and I will never agree on this "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

ah rushmc. A lot of judgment, yet without understanding how a country's economy works. A country's debt should not and cannot be seen as the equivalent of a family/company debt. Its just not the same. The U.S has its own currency and should take advantage of it to build the economy. You know who can't and who are desesperatly trying to dumb down their debt at the expense of their economy? Europe. Tell me which of these country's expansionary austerity actually worked. Cheers. I fail to see your logic here, IMHO a country should be run as a business, controls need to be in place to regulate spending so that money going out or being spent is less than or at least equal to money coming in (income tax, personal tax and business / corporate taxes), when you get to the point that spending is greater than cash coming in there are 3 things that can or need to happen, 1) Reduce spending to the point where it is equal or less than cash coming in. 2) Increase taxes to increase cash coming in. 3) Borrow money (increase debt) to cover costs of spending, of course if 1 and 2 remain the same then down the road you need to borrow money again (increase debt again) to cover costs of spending, unless changes are made to 1 and 2 then option 3 becomes cyclic thus causing the debt to spiral out of control, of course as your debt increases the interest charges increase thus increasing your spending, sounds like a vicious cycle leading to financial disaster. Not the type of position any country, business or family or person would want to be in. "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Yup, did further research and see your point that past presidents have done the same thing, so I'll retract the Obama is unbelievable statement

That really sucks , both the US and Canada could really use the jobs this would provide to increase tax revenue and possibly help to drive the economies of both countries forward a bit, if anything get some people back to work, It always cracks me up when I hear enviro nazis talk about the Green Economy,,,,I'm sure the US Green Economy is just as successful as the Ontario Green Economy and the European Green Economy. At least Al Gore and David Suzuki will be smiling "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Yeah I read the entire article, it's a facet of USA politics I wasn't aware of till last year, 16.3 Trillion is mindboggling, truthfully I haven't paid much attention to world markets and politics, I only started paying attention in September of 2007 when this most recent recession wiped me out financially. "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

The House of Representatives is expected to vote on Wednesday on the Obama administration's request to raise the country's legal debt limit to $16.394 trillion. However, unless the lower chamber and the Senate are able to shore up enough votes to block the White House request, the debt limit will be increased by $1.2 trillion next Friday and a repeat of last year's debt ceiling debacle will be averted. Holy Fuck,,,I thought Canadian politicians were bad, Obama is unbelievable!!!! "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

No, the Penge Bungalow Murders is / was a Rumpole exclusive

Cool! Let me know when you get good at it! LOL,,,that's funny You sound like like Horace Rumpole "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

wrong London,,,,this is in London, Ontario In Canada "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

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This will be interesting, I can't see this being good for anyone Not sure if this should be in SC or here. http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/12/street-gangs-targeting-hells-angels-police-chief LONDON, ONT. - Street gangs with outside muscle, targeting the Hells Angels, have sparked the outburst of violence that's left five adult businesses in flames and two people shot, police said Wednesday. Late Wednesday, three of the men police arrested — two from London, one from Brampton, Ont. — appeared in court via video to answer charges related to the shooting. All three men are black, giving credence to the police theory that biker gangs — which don't usually allow black members — aren't responsible for the recent violence. Whoever is responsible for the fires and shootings, they'll have to answer for it, Chief Brad Duncan vowed at a news conference. "You are priority No. 1," Duncan said. "We will not tolerate this open display of violence. This shooting has taken place in a residential area, in close proximity to a public school, and notwithstanding the time of day that it occurred, it has put our citizens at grave risk." Police held the news conference partly to quell rumours the violence is a result of a battle between the Hells Angels and their traditional rivals, the Outlaws, another biker gang. But street gangs "can be every bit as dangerous as the more traditional outlaw motorcycle clubs," Duncan said. "They are associated with the drug trade. Guns and firearms are involved. They are every bit as organized." Street gangs have no fear of the Hells Angels or any outlaw motorcycle club, biker analyst and author Yves Lavigne told QMI Agency. In London, the street gangs have taken over the drug-trafficking market because traditional biker clubs lost their power, Lavigne said. In December, the revived Hells Angels chapter in London began leaning on the street gang members to start working for them, he said. "What you've seen the past five days is the street gangs telling the Hells Angels, 'Screw you.'” Organized crime analyst and author James Dubro said the news that a street gang, not the Outlaws, is targeting the Hells Angels could spell even more trouble in London. "In the end, it leads to more violence and more chaos in the underworld," he said. "Hells Angels has it all. You couldn't possibly take them on." Two sources with knowledge of London's criminal world said they're expecting the London Hells Angels will bring in supporters from out of town to deal with the matter. The violence began Saturday morning, when a tattoo parlour owned by a member of the Outlaws was set ablaze. That was followed by fires at a strip club owned by a Hells Angels leader, and two massage parlours, Sunday morning. The sequence of fires suggested the Outlaws and Hells Angels were in the early stages of a war. The violence escalated Wednesday morning, just after midnight, when a man and a woman were shot outside a suspected Hells Angels clubhouse The woman was treated for gunshot wounds and released from hospital. The man remains in hospital in serious condition. Police said the man is a known member of the Hells Angels who has had “ongoing issues with street gangs.” "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

A brand new home?? Who built it? Homer Simpson?? "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

oops,,,my bad,,,sorry

here this might help , there might be a FAQ section. http://cougarlife.com/ "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

it's called a level playing, although I prefer to see the criminals outgunned by the cops. Years ago a guy I went to school with got ambushed by 2 drug dealers with automatic handguns, he was a Sudbury Regional Police officer that emptied his 38 revolver at two scumbags during a routine traffic stop, he got lead into both of them, but not before they killed him and ran him over with their car, if at that time he was better armed he might still be alive today. http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1238138&archive=true so FUCK YOU and your proverbial police state. "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Thanks,,,I was enjoying that coffee, hopefully the keyboard is not totally fucked "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

We adopted a rabbit 2 years ago, when we got him all he knew was the inside of his cage, we gave him full run of the apartment , fortunately litter training took only 2 days, he spent the first 3 weeks under the couch, only coming out to eat and do his business in the cage, after that he came out to explore a little bit and then back under the couch, after 2 more weeks he hung out in front of the tv, very standoffish, and would scoot under the couch if something startled him or we had a visitor. Now he travels the apartment from room to room, hangs out in his spot in the corner of the living room, at least 2x per day hops up on the couch for a visit and to get his ears scratched and get his daily feed of pumpkin seeds, greets visitors at the door, presumably looking for a handout and has on occasion gone exploring the hallway if the wife or I leave the apartment door open. Give her time, she'll come around. "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Just to be clear: your father assaulted his 8-or-so year-old daughter, with a weapon to enhance the pain, for opening Christmas presents early? Just to be clear,,,son ,,,not daughter,,,,yeah the old man could be little harsh at times,,,,I turned out all right tho. and how did you get daughter out of that ??? Jesus now I'm gonna get a complex "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

I wouldn't be too hard on im, don't want to be so harsh that it get's ingrained in his head that xmas time is a bad time, i would sit im down and explain the trust issues etc etc etc, rewrap his gifts and proceed as normal, hopefully the lack of "surprise" xmas morning when he reopens his presents will have somewhat of an "oops" / "oh shit" moment and teach him a life lesson. failing that I recommend 90 days solitary confinement with bread and water and taped episodes of Oprah and Dr Phil Edited to add I did the same thing when I was his age, actually the lack of surprise xmas morning was worse than the application of old man's belt "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

Since you're still here to write about it you didn't drink the Jim Jones Kool Aid,,,,so it must be the Ken Casey Kool Aid. ( for you younger folks I've provided reference links below ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

from the Wings website. 2. THE WINGS EXT The Longer, Sleeker Wings! The Wing EXT series is specifically designed for taller jumpers (generally 5'10" and up). If you fly small (under 120 square foot) high performance mains but like the security of a larger reserve (i.e.: 79 Velocity and a PD 126) the EXT might be for you. Please note that this container is NOT for people jumping 150 canopies and over. And also note that this container does not have any extra options, it doesn't cost anything more. It's just a different shape. Link to that page http://www.skydivewings.com/index.php?page=our_products "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo