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I never questioned that stat. show me where 95%f of the bottom half of income earners vote democrat.

That stat makes no sense, are your saying that nearly half of the country based on income alone, automatically votes Democrat and of the 50% of the lowest income group, only 5% of them are Republican? Then why are the states with the lowest income levels (and education levels) red states? I call bullshit. http://www.gallup.com/poll/147452/Romney-GOP-Supporters-Tilt-Upscale-Palin-Downscale.aspx And where are the most getting federal benifits State by state is a dishonest comparison Now a population comparison is another story The red states on a per capita average are sucking off the government teat more than blue states. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/states-that-received-the-most-federal-funds/ So your 50% figures are in fact baseless. Using your logic, every red state would be blue and every blue would be red.

That stat makes no sense, are your saying that nearly half of the country based on income alone, automatically votes Democrat and of the 50% of the lowest income group, only 5% of them are Republican? Then why are the states with the lowest income levels (and education levels) red states? I call bullshit. http://www.gallup.com/poll/147452/Romney-GOP-Supporters-Tilt-Upscale-Palin-Downscale.aspx

You heard wrong, Obama lowered the payroll tax by 2% for 2010, saving the average family a thousand dollars a year. The tax bill for Americans is lower under Obama than it was under Bush. Obama is trying to extend this tax cut for 2011. Keep hearing what you only want to hear. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/01/obama-team-touts-payroll-tax-cuts/1 Your right, It was for 2011 and he is trying to extend it. Social security is a tax, we now pay less then we did under Bush and so we pay lower taxes under Obama. We did get an 800 dollar per per couple personal income tax credit in 2009 and 2010, once again, lower taxes under Obama. I agree with Shaw, the Dems are fucking spineless. Obama is a great disappointment on many levels and he needs to grow a pair. The Republicans however have exactly zero incentive to see the economy get better. That cunt Bachmann just said that a higher unemployment rate would really help her become the next President. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/08/992474/-Michele-Bachmann:-I-hope-higher-unemployment-helps-my-campaign What he did do in 2009 and 2010 was this: $116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[28] $70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[28] $15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes). $14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000. $6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[40] $4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009. $4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children. $4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners. $1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.

You heard wrong, Obama lowered the payroll tax by 2% for 2010, saving the average family a thousand dollars a year. The tax bill for Americans is lower under Obama than it was under Bush. Obama is trying to extend this tax cut for 2011. Keep hearing what you only want to hear. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/01/obama-team-touts-payroll-tax-cuts/1

The personal tax rate is now the lowest it has been in in 60 years. when you hear the corporate tax rate is one of highest in the world, it's bullshit. After all the loopholes and write offs, our corporations are some of the lowest taxed in the world. Personal income tax for 98% of us is lower under Obama than it was for Bush, but you would never know it listening to the right. The overwhelming majority of Americans ( left and right)are in favor of taxing the top 2% of Americans more, but once again, the right will never tell you this. Look at what the tax rates were under Clinton and then under Bush, then look at what the economy was doing.

Dude, chill with the caps, no need to scream, do you see anyone else here screaming. Tyrant? you have no clue what a tyrant is, you lose credebilty when you use terms like tyrant, it's just the same as the left calling Dubya a war criminal. Now all of a sudden the rights got their panties in a bunch about Obama, but if you remember correctly, if you dared questions any of Dubya's wars you were not supporting the troops and you were lending aid and comfort to the enemy.

There has to be some deterrent besides getting tossed.

Our three way was first out of the van, not sure how I have control over the next groups separation time. I even tracked opposite of jump run. Her canopy was open as I was flying back, this is clearly visible. If her canopy did not go into a spin with her burning off fast altitude, there was no separation issue. Being first out, i'm not sure if I can scan over a mile ahead of me and account for over twenty canopies in the air and then land in every time. I can scan the air space that I will be going through and make sure it is safe to travel, like I was doing. I was looking 360, up and down, and I did see her above and behind me. I understand that you were in the first group out and your group cannot fix the exit separation. What I wanted to impress is that once you open, you need to look up & down the jumprun line and make sure that the groups before or after you are open AND HAVE GOOD CANOPIES. Once that is a check ok-good to go, then you can start flying to get back to the landing area. You also said that this happened about 20 seconds after you opened and that you tracked opposite jump run (which would mean your track was to the north). The photographer usually takes the center area of the formation at break off and his POV is N of the barn and N of you. I find those things to be inconsistent. IOW, I find it difficult to believe that you were tracking to the N of the photographer and then 20 seconds later finding yourself S of the photographer. Perhaps, your timeline is off or the photographer was not in the center of your group or you thought jumprun was S to N? The video and my 10 years of jumping at Skydance would lay odds that jumprun was N to S. I want to stress upon you and others that making a beeline back to the landing area right after you open is not always a good thing to do, especially if you are short of the target and first out. . I did look up and down the jump run, her canopy was flying straight and level in the beginning and did not start diving until I was passing by her, have a look yourself. I have already stated jump run was N to S. nothing new there, twenty seconds? thirty seconds? I forgot my stopwatch on this jump. I did track N. How long under canopy would it take to fly three or for hundred feet? Video went W. I went N and our third went E so I guess video was not in the middle. I was flying SW back to the LZ, not exactly a beeline line.

Your exit separation between the groups may not have been sufficient. You stated that you looked around for 'your' group after opening. You also need to look for the groups before and after you open. After you see those folks and they all have good canopies, then you can arrange yourself for approaching the target. (the field S of the gun range) There are two issues to look at: 1. exit separation 2. flying back towards the landing area under canopy before the next group is open There was a recent fatality in Australia that this may have been an issue. There was a fatality, also in Australia, several years ago where this was also suspected to be an issue. Both of those accidents had people from different groups colliding shortly or during opening. FMI Search Fiona McEachern and Lee Loncasty. As for the idea of 'cutting away because you think someone from above and behind is about to hit you' --- that's one of those you'd have to be there in order to decide. . Our three way was first out of the van, not sure how I have control over the next groups separation time. I even tracked opposite of jump run. Her canopy was open as I was flying back, this is clearly visible. If her canopy did not go into a spin with her burning off fast altitude, there was no separation issue. Being first out, i'm not sure if I can scan over a mile ahead of me and account for over twenty canopies in the air and then land in every time. I can scan the air space that I will be going through and make sure it is safe to travel, like I was doing. I was looking 360, up and down, and I did see her above and behind me.

Some pretty funny shit. http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Michele_Bachmann

Nice to see he finally grew up. Well hell, if Fred said it, it must be true

So you are saying upon opening you headed straight back up Jump run?? I was heading back to the LZ, but not parallel with the jump run, I was flying at about a 75 degree angle to the jump run at the time she spiraled. Jump run, which was a north to south direction and was also parallel with the runway.

Damn it!!! Beck was right.

In the video she looks pretty damn close. If I'm understanding you correctly she was spiraling down over you and you lost sight of her because your canopy was blocking your view. That would scare the hell out of me. If I'm understanding correctly you were considering chopping your main to avoid what you perceived as soon to be an imminent collision. I assume you wanted to release your RSL so you could get some distance between her and you before deploying your reserve. Sounds like a reasonable consideration to me. If I saw a canopy spiraling toward me and thought I was about to be clocked, circumstances being the same as yours, I'd consider chopping as an option. There are a lot of what ifs being offered by others here and they are valid. Here are some what ifs I think are just as valid. What if you had not seen her or you balked and she did crash into you. What if your canopies wrapped up. What if you both were injured badly enough or unconscious so as not to be able to cutaway. Just some food for thought and I'm very glad everything turned out ok for both of you. Thanks for the response, nice to know that I am not the only one who would consider trying to get away from the situation the fastest way I could think of.

Fuck her, but any time you purposely put your bodily fluids on someone, it should be assault.

Thank you for posting this, this site certainly explains how you acquired your world view.

I'm all ears, I am almost 50, over 6'2 and 240, I fly a very conservative solo 250sf canopy. If I get a very good grip on my fronts I can yank them down a couple inches. Outside of heading in the opposite direction ( that's what I did ) what could I do? When you look up behind you and you see a canopy spiraling down at you that fast and then your view is blocked because it's went above your canopy and you think that you could collide in a second or two, it sucks. Hey Dudes, We left the skyvan first and the cutaway group second, we were all on our bellies. on opening, at 3000 ft, I saw all of my group in view and then headed straight back to land. the cutaway did open high, may be 4000 ft. I did not see her until she started the spin because she was straight above me.

perhaps it caters to this type of lumberjack ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo

I'm all ears, I am almost 50, over 6'2 and 240, I fly a very conservative solo 250sf canopy. If I get a very good grip on my fronts I can yank them down a couple inches. Outside of heading in the opposite direction ( that's what I did ) what could I do? When you look up behind you and you see a canopy spiraling down at you that fast and then your view is blocked because it's went above your canopy and you think that you could collide in a second or two, it sucks.

No crew entanglement, she had line twist and tension knots and that's her reserve opening 75ft away from me. What was really weird was this was the exact spot where I saw a canopy collision below me that resulted in a fatality two years ago.

________________________________________ copy - paste fail did you watch the videos? those were some of the comments...now you go watch the videos and read the comments then come back make you comment to me... It is entersting to see the comments made by all those bright people on youtube who dislike Obama. Obama made a mistake and in one of your videos he admits it. Every one seems to forget it was dubya who got us into this mess.

I edited the post, I have a watched it a couple of times on a big screen and assumed everyone would see it how I did.

WTF is this giggerish? You claim Obama has played golf over 600 times since he has been presiden? Obama was ther first to bail out a bank? Obama said "49% of dummies still support me" ? You must watch Fox

It's not me with the camea. She is above me and as I go below her her canopy then goes into a spiral.