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I'm sure this will help win the hearts and minds of the locals.... http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2012-08-13/story/two-skydivers-land-kings-bay-naval-submarine-base-taken-custody you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Welcome to the mainstreaming of the sport where SL is no longer a "modern" form progression... LOL Used to be a few reasons we made you crawl before your tried to run a marathon. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Well I hope you all been very busy getting your comments into the FAA. This is the last week for you to submit your comments, hell you can even do so via email, so get off your lazy asses and write the FAA, before Friday if you have not yet done so! I was talking to a few jumpers @ the redemption boogie, who all told this new PLA standard the FAA is going to force down on us, will not harm, them, they jump @ a club on a private airport.... All the while failing to understand the very event/boogie they all love would no longer be allowed to operate on that airport as they have done for the last 5 or so years, if it would even allowed on that airport at all under the new standard. Many of you may not understand that many of the events you have grown to know & love, might be impacted to the point this might be your last couch freaks/redemption (insert event name of your choice) as you come to know it. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4356649;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread I was thinking the same thing. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Holes-in-the-Safety-Net-of-Skydiving-165647186.html Pretty sure I posted in one of the airport access threads, not long ago, that people would be a fool to think Contra Costa Supervisor Mary Piepho had gone away. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Everyone knows it's all the pay off's and hot chicks you'll get.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Divorce you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That why the curb feelers were installed. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Still looks great, best wishes. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You guys got it all wrong! First that is the wrong photo, you need to see the front side of the rig to see the difference. No remi there is handles, but he installed curb feelers on the leg straps. http://compare.ebay.com/like/360283552766?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Thanks, been out of town missed that news. Far out. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Word on the street is they be closed for business. http://www.coloradocountycitizen.com/news/article_406c9228-db39-11e1-af4c-0019bb2963f4.html you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

One of the more well known access cases was won by USPA, but lost by the DZO because the dzo was such as asshat and did some..... well, actions, that gave grounds to denial of that operator, but not "operators". Can't believe how stupid some people are.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

No wonder it stopped showing in searches. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I guess you don't know, based on that comment.... Try reading the Federal Aviation Regulations, starting with 105.23b! The airport sponsor is free to grant permission, usually verbal, to allow parachute landings on the airport, per FAR 105.23b. They are also free to revoke such granted permission, and it does not require a court action! It's all within their rights under current federal funded airport contracts. Regardless of the reasons, right or wrong, if you fail to comply with FAR 105.23b (by not having permission granted) till the matter is cleared up with the FAA and you land on the airport property, it's the FAA you need to worry about and not the city/county cops. The city has told this DZO, they no longer are granting permission under 105.23b to land parachutes on the airport property, at no time in the video or in the posted signs, did I hear or read any statements of anyone (other then you) who is claiming they shut down her business. While yes, they just made it a major pain in the ass to operate her business, in a normal manner, like all other airport businesses, in handing her a denial of use for parachute landings. The DZ is still free take off & land airplanes, pack in the hanger and conduct every part of business operations on the airport, other then parachute landings. (we all know it's wrong and a grant violation, but it's the FAA's enforcement, not the courts) The fact that it is a chicken shit thing to do,it is the cities card to play, if they choose to go down that road and it's the job of the FAA and a good DZ lawyer to fix it. However the ape in the corner http://www.gpo.gov/.../html/2012-15912.htm is the new game changer in all this bullshit and can cause additional delay of action by the FAA as with some of the 12 other pending airport access cases around the country. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

When did that happen? I missed that being reported. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Do you even know who Rich Grimm is and how much he knows about letters from lawyers to airport boards and city management. A good one would send the kind of letters Rich Grimm was talking about and also advise their client to contact the ADO. and Who says it's not legal for them to revoke permission under FAR 105.23b for parachutes to land on the airport? Answer is it depends on the reasons why they did it. They didn't shut down a commercial operation, they are allowed to operate the business on the airport, they just can't land parachutes there and comply with the FAR 105.23b. Can you please provide us with more info on how this airport access funding works? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Kathy can you please tell us,what reasons were listed by the city for this ban on skydivers under 105.23b? I would have asked them for a copy of the FAA's approval for the ban limit or restriction on skydiving. If they are trying to claim safety reasons, then would pull up AC 150-5190-7 minimum standards, subsection F:skydiving. f. Skydiving. Skydiving is an aeronautical activity. Any restriction, limitation, or ban on skydiving on the airport must be based on the grant assurance that provides that the airport sponsor may prohibit or limit aeronautical use for the safe operation of the airport (subject to FAA approval). The following questions present reasonable factors the sponsor might contemplate when developing minimum standards that apply to skydiving: (1) Will this activity present or create a safety hazard to the normal operations of aircraft arriving or departing from the airport? If so, has the local Airports District Office (ADO) or the Regional Airports Office been contacted and have those FAA offices sought the assistance from FAA Flight Standards (FS) and Air Traffic (AT) to assess whether safe airport operations would be jeopardized? (2) Can skydiving operations be safely accommodated at the airport? Can a drop zone be safely established within the boundaries of the airport? Is guidance in FAA AC-90-66A Recommended Standards Traffic Patterns and Practices for Aeronautical Operations at Airports Without Operating Control Towers, 14 CFR Part 105 and United States Parachute Association’s (USPA) Basic Safety Requirements being followed? (3) What reasonable time periods can be designated for jumping in a manner consistent with Part 105? What experience requirements are needed for an on-airport drop zone? (4) What is a reasonable fee that the jumpers and/or their organizations can pay for the privilege of using airport property? (5) Has the relevant air traffic control facility been advised of the proposed parachute operation? Does the air traffic control facility have concerns about the efficiency and utility of the airport and its related instrument procedures? (6) Will it be necessary to determine the impact of the proposed activity on the efficiency and utility of the airport, related instrument approaches or nearby Instrument Flight Rules (IFR)? If so, has FAA Air Traffic reviewed the matter and issued a finding? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4350624;#4350624 Everyone get and read the Aug. parachutist mag on this pressing issue? So, who all is still thinking your play ground are safe? Time to comment is limited, get your ducks in a row people. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

After review of the video of the cop serving you legal orders and or telling you skydivers no longer have permission to land there under the signed agreement for use under FAR 105.23B.... Your 105.23b has be revoked, it legal for them to do that if they like. You should request in writing the reasons why permission under 105.23b was revoked and then build your informal/formal compliant to the ADO, based on what they tell you is the reason. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I am also attaching a youtube video of the Saint Mary's Police department telling us that no skydiver can land on the field without being arrested (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a945tZH5pi0&feature=youtu.be). TJP Permissioin Letter pertains to Dick Russell the Authority Head in 2006 gives a statement regarding our permission to operate (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7tvsEnkr4wjcFJxemt0dkhqcnc SMAA Minutes 6-5-2006 is the minutes of an AAB meeting to approve skydiving operations at Saint Marys Airport (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7tvsEnkr4wjSURMOUhRdzgzQTA) you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

But did you file an informal part 13 or formal part 16 compliant with the FAA ADO in your area? Without doing so your not going to get any FAA help.... On your side, just saying. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

IS the sigma drouge TSO'd? (no I didn't bother to look it up) I don't believe it is, it's part of the main and as Ray pointed out, a master can make one and use it and a Sr. is legal to pack it. It would not require an STC, like the airplane would. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

What part of the country are in? State. city. Might know a rigger or two around.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

With out seeing and inspecting the gear, based only on your posted info, at a guess it's not worth much.... age, design, use, etc, but could very well be airworthy. You wold have to get in to more detail and pics to get a better idea via internet rigging inspections. My guess is you could find a local dz or rigger and have it all checked out pretty easy. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo