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Complaint filed to moderator - My comparing you to Knoss is no reason for you to post my name - AGAIN! - in violation of the rules. Remove my name from your post. Let's be realistic. You are heavily featured by name in the biggest book so far published about DB Cooper. Everyone knows who you are. You are even listed in the index... If the moderator wants to remove the post, that's up to him and I don't have a problem with it. However, I think you should stop comparing me to Bob Knoss. The guy is certifiable. Very clearly you have violated and changed the rules of this forum and have been allowed to do so, so far. Geoff Gray said you would and were nothing but trouble. That we are even discussing this speaks for itself. It's not the first time "rules" have come up at Dropzone. And not the first time DZ has taken a hit because of some Narcissist who takes center stage. Are you going to publish others' names who post here, too? How about I follow you example and do it ? How far are you and this forum prepared to go with this, now that YOU are in charge of all of us and Dropzone? Let's start with 377, Mark. How far do you intend to take this forum in bottom feeding with people's personal information, Mr Blevins. It begins with people's names some of which you have. You have asked people here their names several times. Can we trust RobertMBlevins with people's personal information here? How about your personal information, Mr. Blevins? Now that you have started this how far do you intend to go, and with who? Do some people get anonymity and others don't. Your shifting friends list? Your group versus another group? Gray said you would cause trouble, and you are. You demanded when you first arrived here that everyone should be using their real names here and you have consistently tried to collect people's real names and identities since being here, whether people liked it or not! Once Mr. Gray broke his agreement in retaliation against me and Tom and published my name, you were quick to use my name here - creating a storm. What applies for me must apply for other, as you have demanded to be consistent. The names and addresses and perhaps some personal information of every person who posts here is what you want, and perhaps their contact info. also? Do you and Mr Gray intend to now post that here or publish it elsewhere, along with some personal info about yourself, in the name of Equity ? Then why not just publish the names of every person who posts at Dropzone, anywhere? You have opened this Pandora box. I hope you are now ready to live with it! And Mr. Gray likewise.

Jo is taking "orders" from "VIPs"? Of course she tells us about it in teases and riddles. Jo, instead of red boldfaced riddles why not use plain language, colors and fonts? How did anybody get you to accept "orders" about what you post? Regardless, it seems to have improved your outlook and injected some optimism. Tease on Jo. Tease in red. Tease in boldface. Ignore the posts of others, as ordered by the VIPs. Why communicate when you can just broadcast? 377 It's the mu rays from meteorites in paper bags, floating down the Columbia to Tina Bar. But also Nicolaus Copernicus' 540th birthday, which some who post here have been celebrating every year of for 540 years.

Next you'll be claiming that the FBI didn't record the numbers on the money, either. And my name isn't 'Blevnoss,See..I know YOUR name. And I even spelled it right. This is mine: B-L-E-V-I-N-S. Complaint filed to moderator - My comparing you to Knoss is no reason for you to post my name - AGAIN! - in violation of the rules. Remove my name from your post.

[Georger] Do a search on past posts on this subject. Good luck with Mr. Blevins' repetitions of other peoples' tests, if Blevins follows through at all which I predict is unlikely. Comparing his results with that of a certified hydrologist should prove empty again. Crazy That is what this thread is all about. So be it. ..................................................................... Come on. I never said I'd do the water/paper bag/fake currency test on my own. This is something that should be done by a group of interested people. And first they have to agree on the parameters for such a test, establishing some sort of controls for the experiment. No! You COME ON, for a change ! I'm saying tests have already been done, and if you had done a simple search of this thread you would know that, or suspect it. Now you've been informed for whatever that is worth. Moreover, new tests were conducted in the last two years. I could care less what you said, or didn't say. I never know what you are saying or not saying anyway, even when you say it, or don't say it, whatever it is you are claiming one minute to the next, just as Farflung could never figure it out either. I know what I am saying. I am saying tests have been done, several times at least. By professionals and amateurs. New tests within the last two years. Jerry Thomas also posted previously saying that he did a series of tests, whatever the truth of that is. As most people here know, Thomas claimed to have released objects in the Washougal and had them arrive at Tina Bar! SafecrackingPLF was specifically concerned with float tests on bills and bundles and paper bags in the Columbia current. He defined several experiments.

I actually think testing the paper bag might be an interesting experiment. The outcome might surprise us all. Do a search on past posts on this subject. Good luck with Mr. Blevins' repetitions of other peoples' tests, if Blevins follows through at all which I predict is unlikely. Comparing his results with that of a certified hydrologist should prove empty again. That is what this thread is all about. So be it.

READ THE THREAD.

I know who Robbie Burroughs is. I also went by several articles, the majority of which say that the FBI had Cossey AMONG OTHERS look at the chutes, AND they came out with that statement that they had not reached a conclusion AFTER Cossey made his opinion public AND Larry Carr said in an interview with ABC news that forensic testing was being performed on the chute AFTER Cossey made his statements. I don't know how much clearer it can be. I doubt very much that they will re-examine a chute based on your request either. Apparently they also don't feel the need to give us a blow by blow of how they determined it wasn't Coopers, but it sounds like they've examined it and case closed as far as the chute is concerned. Might not make sense but there it is. And I'm done responding on this even if you continue to post incorrect information from articles about it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

The Tina Bar money was kept all together as a package by something that might have rotted away. My belief is that the three bundles of 20's complete with their rubber bands, were in fact the three bundles offered to the crew by DB and then the crew refused to accept them. DB in discuss (and all ready suited up with the money bag tied to him) then would have stuffed the three bundles into the paper bag he carried aboard with him and into his shirt. The blast of air in the jump could have blown the paper bag and three bundles of 20's away from DB and into the trees below. The bag could have then provided the move of the money to Tina's Bar including floating in the Columbia. With time the paper bag could have degraded to nothing leaving just the three bundles neatly stacked all together. Possibly Bruce can verify the three packs of 20's being offered to the crew. Then what would DB have done with them when refused? Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com Well this 'anecdote' about 'the three bundles offered to the crew by DB' has always been quite convenient, but may not be true. Three bundles offered Tina vs. three bundles found at T-Bar. I know of no record which says 3 bundles were offered Tina, or even 'bundles' necessarily, 'just a wad of cash' has also been quoted, and of course the further established fact is that more than three bundles was found by Ingram at Tina Bar, if you count each bundle as containing $2000.00. This internet folklore about 3-bundles has yet to catch up to proven reality! That is why websites like this can sit here for years _ people come and go _ and nothing ever changes despite people doing actual research and FBi agents with facts even coming and going! Secondly: Possibly Bruce can verify the three packs of 20's being offered to the crew. Then what would DB have done with them when refused? How? None of the crew will talk to Bruce. Flo may not have witnessed the event. (was she already gone?) And Tina specifically won't talk to Bruce. And Tina never said "three bundles". If it wasn't three bundles on either end then the whole theory falls apart. And you still haven't accounted for how any money got to Tina Bar, or a method for deciding that. The method is turning out to be as exciting and potentially important as the money found itself, in this story! First you have to prove there were 3 bundles given Tina. That may not be easy. Then you have to prove there were 3 bundles found at Tina Bar. That is going to be impossible because counter proof exists. Then you have to come up with a method that clearly decides how money got to Tina Bar.

Webster: "A conspiracy theory explains an important social, political, or economic event as being caused or covered up by a covert group or organization. (2) Methods employed by or attributed to some group to effect a cover up or deny access to the truth. You may deny yours is a conspiracy theory but it is up to outside reviewers to determine! Otherwise there would be no prisoners in any jail. Stop reviewing your own books! Heel thyself, physician!

Hmm. They are connected THIS way: IF it were determined somehow that the Amboy chute, contrary to what the Seattle FBI has stated under suspicious conclusions, DID belong to Cooper... Then this would prove the money did not arrive at Tena Bar by natural, non-human-involvement means, or as a result of Cooper drowning in the Columbia. But this connection cannot be established because of the lack of information on the Amboy chute. It's not my fault the Seattle FBI tried to push off that initial story about the chute. (Belonged to Walling, which is impossible) Or, that they have become quite secretive about the chute. (No response to inquiries, refusal to allow Sleuths or local chute experts to examine and publish findings) As far as the Amboy chute, the way the FBI dealt with the whole thing does not lend itself to credibility on their results. They try one story, then another, then bring in Cossey with his silk-not-nylon story. It's almost like Maxwell Smart and his 'would you believe...' routine. And yeah, it could be coincidence...but ask yourself how many parachutes are buried along the flight path right at the approximate location Cooper probably jumped. See attached map. It's a hell of a coincidence, wouldn't you say? To settle this question once and for all, what is needed is for a major skydiving organization in the Puget Sound area to step up and request a look at the chute. I don't see the need for secrecy on it by the FBI. Think about it: If it's just a junk chute, a cargo chute or whatever...then what's the big deal letting some local experts take a look? Unless there's something more to it than that. My main issue here is that there is a bit of a shadow still hanging over the whole thing. That problem is the fault of the Seattle FBI, who have IMHO been a little less than forthcoming on the chute. Blevins you have a one track mind and are mixing apples with oranges. That you do this for three years certifies your conspiracy theory based mental system. You sound so official! and wrong! Even if Cooper landed where you say and the Amboy chute is Coopers, that 'still' does not require that the money at T_Bar was 'buried'. There are many other options involving not only Cooper but others as well. [This fact was noted by the agent and others at Vancouver-Portland at the time, in 1980] Let's assume for the moment for the sake of argument the T-Bar money was buried and we have independent proof of that, which we don't, that still does not require it was Cooper who did the burying, or that it was buried at all vs thrown on shore from a passing boat... ! [That fact was noted by the agent and others at Vancouver-Portland in 1980] If the Amboy chute is Cooper's that does not require that the T-Bar money was buried! If the Amboy chute is Cooper's and the money was buried, that does not require that the T-Bar money was buried by Cooper! ** Moreover, you have yet to give us a date when you say Cooper buried money at Tina Bar. Was it 1971, 1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, or at 3:30pm on the afternoon of January 10th 1980 according to Lord Usher 1637 ? ps: Let me throw this in for the helluvit because quite frankly all of these conspiracy theories thrown around here by Blevins, Knoss, Weber, etal, try to connect distant abstract alleged factoids which no ordinary thinking process could connect ... a central fact seems to be being avoided! Shouldn't the money find site itself say something about whether money was buried or not, and by what possible means, if burying has anything to do with this? Why are we looking at some parachute at Amboy, some alleged death confession in another State, .. we might just as well look at variable stars in the Andromeda Galaxy too! Focus on the thing itself and stop all of this conspiracy driven bullshit which tries to connect things which can't connect and very likely don't connect at all! Now either Tom's Kaye Science Team generated some core facts about the money site itself, or it didn't! That was it's mission as mandated by the FBI. Everything else is Gullible's Travels.

So, you now admit your A^B were connected. Why then take me to task and deny the connection (you have made many times previously, just as you now do again above). So, what is the connection you see, again? Refresh our memories to avoid a further charge we are putting words in your mouth. You could also comment on the previous real-world puzzle I posed. If one digs a hole pre-1980 and sticks three bundles of money into it, then covers the hole, then waits for erosion to act and finally in 1980 the money is exposed ... which sand is found around the money? 1980 sand. Or older different colored sand? Palmer found a smooth transition of strata with no evidence of a previous "filled hole". How do you bury something on one date and some time later the item is exposed by erosion, and no evidence of mixed sand, ie. the hole?

You are the one who juxtaposed your separate issues A^B. Your record is to connect such things, whether they connect or not. Your strawmen of which you have a daily record here going back three years. And you have connected these two issues (Amboy parachute) and T-Bar money before. So your connecting the two is already on the record. Lets file this under your: "I never said that", again. But I'll give you something to not think about. Lets assume the money was buried back in ____\year uncertain. Money found in 1980. Bills is condition D- deteriorated. Erosion factor involved E=c/t(d). In order to bury something a hole must be dug - yes? Palmer said the site at the Ingram find was pristine, showed no evidence of mixed strata. Your conclusion/solution is: ______________________?

(A) There are OTHER ways the Tena Bar money could have arrived besides natural means, or by dredging. Even the Citizen Sleuths have said that, not that this makes it true, but they have suggested it. (B) Aren't any of you the least bit curious why the Seattle FBI tried to sweep the chute under the virtual carpet with such a lame explanation and no public verification allowed? . Your A ^ B above have absolutely nothing to do with each other. There is no logical connection between the two - Example: A: There are OTHER ways the money could have arrived at Tena Bar. B: Samson slew the Philistines with the jawbone of an ass. C: Therefore, the T-Bar money was buried (by Samson) with the jawbone of an ass ! argumentum ad absurdum

Blevins, If the "Wallings parachute" really was the one that Cooper used, it would ELIMINATE the possibility that any of the money could have ever made it to Tena Bar. Robert99 I believe Blevins is saying the "Wallings parachute" PROVES the money was hand buried at T_Bar, as Kaye concluded somehow. Missing of course is any factual linkage which constitutes real proof. One might as well also say: the fact the money was in a bag proves the money was (had to be) buried at T_Bar, because one must first withdraw money from a bag, to have three bundles of that money be found in the sand at T-Bar or some such thing. These issue of what constitutes proof is being used very loosely here.

Like when you started talking about cross dressing or whatever on Christiansen merely because I posted up how to do a link. The guy has a family you know, and one of them reads this thread. He doesn't post because he didn't know Kenny that well, but I have spoken to him occasionally. . Quote me the chapter and verse that says: "Thou shalt not talk about a gay man being gay for fear his family may read the newspaper", re- articles written by: RobertMBlevins on Dropzone.com and Newsvine.com! ! I could give similar-better advice! STAY OUT OF THE CHRISTIANSEN FAMILY'S LIVES! STOP OWNING & HAVING LEGAL RIGHTS TO THEIR FAMILY MEMENTOS! You are the guy who wrote the book and milked it to death and are still milking it to death - you hypocrite. Get your facts straight! You do know, don't you? You do have the option of shutting up about all of this crap. Since you are so non-hypocritically concerned about the welfare of Dropzone,com and the "work-for-wages sheeple" at Dropzone? Because, the chances of anyone else bringing it up here is next to zero, since everyone but you is sick to death of it!

The REAL point here is that you have a history of jumping on people. . Thanks for your objective highly valued.

Go over to the Cooper thread on the sci.forum (link Blevins Inquisitions posted several posts up) and post you book chapter there as well as here? Just a thought. Those folks may love it! Hey Blevins! YOU COULD POST AT SCI.FORUM TOO!

Here's an excerpt from one of your posts to jog your memory: I'm glad to see you go after everyone evenly, and don't sort out individuals for special attention. Although your internet behavior seems to be consistent. I am consistent - you have that right. Oh yes. the troll "Archaeologist" at the Sci.forum, except it turned out he is no archaeologist. I checked with the State Archaeologist who I know personally. He had heard of the guy because of trouble the guy was raising in SD, but the guy is no archaeologist, The guy is a Fundamentalist anti-evolution anti-science self-proclaimed lay preacher (on a science forum no less!)... a lot like you Mr Blevins! A self professed authority on everything and nothing. Who had already been put off three times at the Sci.forum, had a bad rep, then I show up to test their Cooper thread - like you did when you arrived hre, the preacher-troll "Archaeologist" jumped me immed- iately. I tried several more times then gave up. The guy would not stop attacking me. So I left the sci.forum. When they found out who I was they emailed asking me back. I talked mathematical models with one guy on another thread for a while, then phil. matters concerning Gustav Bergmann (worked with Einstein) on another thread with some guy, but the Cooper thread was not viable so I decided it wasn't worth the effort. BTW, this was all during a period where Jo Weber was raising so much hell here nobody could function, Ckret has decided to give up on Dropzone, I told a few people 'Im going over to that sci.forum on Cooper and see what is there . . . Archaeologist got into trouble on other threads and then was banned for life. So yes, consistent. So yes, the guy just like you except you are still here. So yes, you picked the wrong thing to present as usual. You have a consistent 100% record so far for being wrong on facts _ of all kinds - everything you pick turns out to be 180 degrees where where you ALLEGED it was!. DONT YOU EVER RESEARCH ANYTHING FIRST BEFORE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF? So, find another example to shoot your mouth off about. You actually want your remark to go viral? ""work- for-wages sheeple" ? I thought you were for the working man? Not just superior to him! Think about it: Any more bottom feeding personal attacks on your small mind that you say need clearing up so youc an sleep at night ... and we can have the Cooper thread back at Dropzone? Can we have our forum back now, Mr. Blevins ? ps: What has Transvestites-exist-in-the-world got to do with you or Kenny Christiansen's family! ? What are you alleging or inventing there?

______________________________________________ "why so complicated here!?" Luddite filter? 377 what accounts for you ? known far and wide. certified by Farflung, Cook, Eng, and Sluggo! But feels no pain. One of Blevins' "work-for-wages sheeple" ?

Trolling trolling trolling, 'Trollhide". Got anything new on Transvestites in Kenny's life? Maybe a photo or three ? Your comment about "work-for-wages sheeple" could go VIRAL! Hope you like Mahler ?

why so complicated here!? Every other forum site you just paste the url, and "click' and the website software does it automatically - viola ______________________________________________ "work-for-wages sheeple" (RobtMBlevins) LOL. Haven't worked for wages in fifteen years. Sorry this website doesn't jump into your Drive-Thru-at-Burger-Queen hoops. Yeah, you actually have to type a bit of simple code to make certain things work. These days, I know kids eight years old who can do this with ease. Actually...this website does allow you to click and drive. For simply posting a clickable link, you can use the little buttons at the bottom of the Post: box. You paste your link then go the begining of the link and click the url box. then you go to the end and click the url box again (which has magically changed to /url). Oh the marvels of technology....but as with anything... you have to check your work before turning it in. If you overclick you might have a plain url in brackets where a front slash url in brackets needs to be

why so complicated here!? Every other forum site you just paste the url, and "click' and the website software does it automatically - viola ______________________________________________ "work-for-wages sheeple" (RobtMBlevins) LOL. Haven't worked for wages in fifteen years. Sorry this website doesn't jump into your Drive-Thru-at-Burger-Queen hoops. Yeah, you actually have to type a bit of simple code to make certain things work. These days, I know kids eight years old who can do this with ease. Welcome to the 21st Century. Sort of.

It should also be noted that I cannot actually type in the correct "/url" with the brackets alone or else the DZ software will make its own changes to my post. Robert99 why so complicated here!? Every other forum site you just paste the url, and "click' and the website software does it automatically - viola ______________________________________________ "work-for-wages sheeple" (RobtMBlevins)

well, you are looking at it! ariel photo. doesnt leave much to the Blevins' "work-for-wages sheeple magication"

Do you know for a fact what "center" Tom is referring to? is this still a Cooper thread?