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...Ricardo López-Ruiz: Economic Models with Chaotic Money Exchange. ICCS (1) 2009: 43-52 $200K for nothing is a pretty chaotic money exhange. 377 Blevins quote Tom saying: "center of the dredging sand" Do you know for a fact what "center" Tom is referring to? Because, without knowing what "center" Tom is referring to, everything else Tom says is meaningless.

Blevins quotes Tom saying: "center of the dredging sand" Do you know for a fact what "center" Tom is referring to?

Blevins quotes Tom: ""center of the dredging sand" Do you know for a fact what "center of the dredging sand" Kaye is referring to?

I have figured out one thing. You are part of the problem around here lately, not me. Here's advice for ya: Anytime you can break away from being a work-for-wages sheeple and actually make it on your own...DO it. You don't explore the Cooper case much. Mostly you try to discredit without using points from the case. This is in opposition to what I did with Marla, and occasionally Galen Cook. Big difference. You go to personalities. You think you know everything about someone based on their present employment. LOL. You also think everyone besides yourself is stupid. I've noticed that... Good God! All of this over a technical question: what does Tom Kaye mean when he says: "center of the dredging sand". Its a basic question which goes to the heart of what Kaye is saying, your analysis of Kaye, etc etc. And now we have (yours above): You are part of the problem around here lately, not me. Here's advice for ya: Anytime you can break away from being a work-for-wages sheeple and actually make it on your own...DO it. You don't explore the Cooper case much. Mostly you try to discredit without using points from the. You go to personalities. You think you know everything .... work-for-wages sheeple ? Mr. Blevins. Can you answer the Tom Kaye question at hand? Yes or No? What is all your garbage about? Having another bad day? I'll ask Jo Weber. Maybe she has more technical knowledge and expertise than you do! work-for-wages sheeple ?

377 is listening listening listening! He should respond shortly shortly shortly! It just takes time to get everyone off the boat boat boat!

Actually, finding the money answers MORE questions than it asks. All you have to do is stick to facts and not try to fit things into a preconcieved theory. Robert99 This is now almost three years old! Blevins knew as much then, as he does now. This is not going to improve. Blevins is not part of the solution, but part of the problem and that is probably why he is here at Dropzone, to begin with. Sooner or later he will have to move to a new village where is not known and has fresh listeners... Gayla is probably advising Robert of that, right now! No Sale! She is probably telling Blevins: "You are too good for Dropzone" _

Brilliant deduction ! Is your upstream downstream? Or your upstream downstream? What do your up and down mean with respect to the flow of stream by Tina Bar? Do you know up from down? Left from right? Dont have a stroke worrying about it. My advice is: just keep writing books. Blevins, you have compulsively been trying to master these matters for almost three years. Maybe it's time for you to give up and just accept there are some things in life not worth knowing about, that you can't do! Like sleuthing for DB Cooper and doing calculus! You might look for employment at Carnival Cruise Lines, since you are already a house cleaner and own a house cleaning business with Gayla, by profession! Hydraulics, forensics, and toilet bowl cleaning are not the same thing, in case you haven't discovered. There is no disgrace in that! The disgrace is in refusing to know the difference.

(Italics added for effect) Robert comments: If you assume that the Sleuths are correct in their assessment, then this leaves only three possibilities. Money fell from the sky nearby and washed up there. Money washed up there by natural means after traveling downriver for some distance. Money was buried deliberately. Let's break those down a bit: 1) Money Falls From the Sky and Washes Up There a) Location is twenty miles off the flight path. b) How did three bundles land in exact same spot with nothing else found? 2) Money Washes Up by Natural Means After Traveling Downriver a) See 'b' above. 3) Money is Buried at Location Deliberately a) Possible, difficult to prove. b) Why would hijacker pick that spot? Did he know dredge tailings were being dumped in the area? c) Possibility: Hijacker made attempt to deceive the FBI into thinking he drowned during the jump. 4) Blevins doesnt have the faintest idea what he's talking about, but will bloviate into the hallway, anyway! Do we have bloviation bags available?

Never noticed this before at the Citizen Sleuths website, but apparently they don't think so: (Selected sections, edited) Further on: (Italics added for effect) Gee whilakers ! Which "center of the dredging sand" are he and Blevins talking about? Looks like TWO dredging piles to me. Is he measuring his "center of the dredging sand" from between the two piles or one pile and which pile? Isn't it the job of scientists to be clear and concise? Or are we supposed to 'mindmeld' to know what is being said, or not being said? Blevins seems to know. I wish he would explain it to me! And how can Blevins have answers to questions he doesn't even know exist!? And how come Blevin's didn't mention 'transvestites' in his book ? These are important questions, when trying to navigate the Cooper Carnival cruise.

With all due respect, I did not know your brother, Ive never heard of your brother before, this is a forum on DB Cooper, not Facebook ... can we please Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendego or must we be sidetracked by some poster who thinks he's a celebrity, ad his personal business must be our business too ! ? 377? How's your wife and the Pope? Bruce? How's your Chutzpah ? Snowmman? How's your ringworm? Anyone have an update on that asteroid approaching Earth tomorrow? Who will "hijack" the DB Cooper case next for personal profit ? Any personal news on that? (of course not!) The Tomac, Idaho American Legion will be having a free pancake supper February 17th, from 3:00pm to 7:00pm. All attend! Did DB Cooper intend to jump at night? How did all the delays screw up his original plan? Did he have a "plan" ?

Are we having fun yet?

Whatever..my whole point is less about B Smith's letters and more about the fact that it would be next to impossible to ID Knoss only by assuming that he made the original post to which Regina is comparing subsequent posts. That is how you said that she identified him and I'm saying - IF that is the way it was done -- then not so fast. Rationalize your statement now with "she did it somehow" if you need to but, if you can't back it up with proof don't you think it's kind of unfair to continue to make the accusation? I think we should discuss Blevins internet bottom feeding gutter issues for the next five years - strap in! Pull the tab. Airtwardo is already out the door! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw. Isnt this ..... fun? Its good entertainment, for worms.

Threads like this one may solve other crimes. Let's hope so! Nonesense! Never happen here and why should it. This is a website for skydivers, not crime-divers. You need to go to X, Y, or Z for that. Most of the crime discussion sites are proprietary with longtime staff and posters and many with very high qualifications ... few here would even qualify. Moderation on these sites is very strict. Half the people here wouldn't last 30 minutes! NO OFF TOPIC POSTS on most of those sites. That would be cause for instant time out.. and NO ADVERTISING-PROMOTIONS! ... and the list goes on. Advertising is an instant lifetime ban. People on those sites tend to be there for a serious reason to begin with, and tolerate no crap. Posters work hand-in-glove with a team of Moderators in each and every thread. It is a cooperative relationship where mods and posters have a vested interest in keeping order, because some of these sites are used and monitored by LE, serious media, victims families, etc. You have to be vetted to even get on some of these sites. And the best of these sites have an alert icon in the upper right hand corner of every post for alerting Mods to a questionable or 'personal attack' post by somebody. This is what I mean by a working relationship between mods, posters, and the site owner. You have no idea apparently of how good you have it here! The same for Blevins etal. That is how the rest of the "real world" operates and has operated for years, on the internet. Now you know!

Hey! Good news, Cooper fans. Did you see that this website has enabled inline imaging for posts? (Your image actually appears in your post) And these images can be up to 640 pixels in width. Anything bigger will be resized so it doesn't do the Crazy Page Stretchie Thing, but if you click on the image, it will appear to you full size. File size has been increased from 300k to 1MB, as well. Farflung will have a field day with this, I'm sure. Now the bad news: It isn't yet enabled for Skydiving History and Trivia...but webmaster Sangiro says he may add it to the list of threads soon. I would suggest PM'ing him about it and asking. I sent my own message to him already. One selling point: The Cooper Thread is the most heavily viewed thread at Dropzone, and brings much traffic. uhhh, thats been par on most forum sites for years - glad to see DZ is coming out of the Stone Age. Any other news of Biblical proportions?

Okay. I'm going to make a serious attempt to respond to your comments, including the ones about Geoff Gray. I'll get to Gray in a moment... First, comparing Blast to Marla's claims is like comparing apples and oranges. Into the Blast was the culmination of an investigation into Christiansen that lasted about 18 months, and involved many interviews, much travel, and even more research. Much of this research was done by Skipp Porteous, who may not have the access to records that the FBI has, but who has more than the average citizen. This is in contrast to Marla, who simply came forward with an unsupported story and her hat in her hand, as the saying goes. Our interest in the case as it relates to Christiansen has never been about money or media attention, but about The Truth, whether that truth leads to the fact that KC was the hijacker, or not. I warned Porteous at the start that even making back expenses was unlikely. This turned out to be true. To date, we have recovered less than half of the funds that were expended in the investigation. I also like to remind people that I turned down $2,500 from History Channel for Decoded, and $1,000 for my appearance on Adrenaline Hunter. In retrospect, this may have been naive on my part, but I'm still not sorry I did it. Today, I drive a 1988 Nissan Truck and our Average Daily Balance at Adventure Books is usually less than $2,000. Blast has never been more than second-rate in sales, far surpassed by our re-issue of the Marjorie Phleger classic, Pilot Down, Presumed Dead. I gave Marla a fair chance with her interview for the Newsvine article. The problem was she kept changing her story...one that she originally swore was the truth...such as LD landing near Sisters, OR. Weeks later, she changes that to a landing twenty miles off the flight path in Washington State in an attempt to explain the Tena Bar money, even adding that LD lost the money on the way down. But previously, she related that the two men went looking for the money near Sisters. That was her doing, not mine. Her Facebook posts early on didn't help matters, either. I'm willing to listen to the evidence on anyone who is a suspect in the case, even Weber, even Petersen. But I expect people who forward these suspects not to simply make up anything they wish in an attempt to forward that suspect, or obtain a fat book deal. And I believe this is what happened with Marla. Her coming forward, and her actions afterward, have (in my opinion only) hurt everyone who is legitimately involved in investigating the case. Since Marla, a Seattle FBI who answered phone calls/emails personally with real answers, and who gave honest opinions, now stonewalls everyone's inquiries with the same answer: 'We cannot discuss an ongoing case...' That is the reality Post-Marla. On Geoff Gray: Like you, I wouldn't mind at all if he dropped by and made a post once in a while. I wouldn't call us 'friends'. The only thing we have in common is a book on Cooper, and both those books lean heavily on Christiansen for content. I've only met him the one time up in Seattle, and I spoke to him for a bit at the sports bar next door to the bookstore after the signing. We've exchanged less than a dozen emails in a two-year period. We probably would have developed a closer relationship, but I blame that on Skipp Porteous at the time of the investigation. I had no way of contacting Gray easily, and Porteous had taken Gray out of the information loop while we were researching Christiansen. Since Gray and Porteous were both in New York, I thought they were in communication, but they were not. I knew that the two of them worked together a bit while Gray was doing the 2007 article, and I assumed that Porteous would keep him informed if he needed to be informed. Later, I expressed my displeasure over this whole thing when I found out. I did not find out until I spoke to Gray at Third Place Books in Seattle and I was appalled. I remember telling Gray: 'It's too bad we didn't work together on Christiansen...' and he agreed. If nothing else, it would have been better to have a journalist along as a second witness to the Christiansen interviews, instead of yours truly by himself. Gray will answer questions, but the only way is to email him through his website. This is the best way. He's told me two things about Dropzone and Cooper. First, he does read some posts occasionally. Second, he says Cooper isn't his whole life, but just a chapter of it and he's moved on. I think he was a sports reporter for a New York newspaper at one time, then moved on to doing work for New York Magazine. I'm not sure what he's doing now. He's on Facebook, though...and there's always the website. Move on -

No. I only object to BS. So bring up your new ideas then. You need to get off the I-Hate-Everything-Blevins-Posts wagon and check into the Reality Hotel. You never answered my question: Do you believe Marla Cooper is giving an accurate rendition of who DB Cooper was? If so, why? If not, also why? I have already stated my views on Marla multiple times, over the last 2+ years. Sorry you missed it to keep bringing it up. In a nutshell, until Marla gives actual evidence which supports her case, it appears her story is mainly a 'media event', just like your book Blast, Jo Weber's adventure, and a few more similar cases we could all name. Except that Marla's story had a number of facets I and others found interesting and would have liked to have researched further - except of course you beat Marla up in public savagely, and sent her packing, which in your case having authored your own "fiasco" BLAST I thought was very hypocritical on your part. Moreover, the real Moderators of this thread, 377 and Quade, let that happen which a number of us felt was 'par for this golf course'! Your one-man blitzkrieg against Marla also belied the fact of Geoffrey Gray's book coming out, which if I have the facts sent sales down and meant less attention for Mr. Gray. Because if there is anybody who should know something about the DB Cooper case it should be Mr. Gray - yes? And yet Mr. Gray has never appeared on Dropzone, a place you would normally think any serious author would want to be to vet his book and his facts. You keep pushing me to comment about Marla when I already have a dozen or more times. Maybe its time for you (and 377!) to finally comment about why Mr. Gray does not come to Dropzone, to share his vast wealth of information, vet his book, and engage in the friendly social dialogue (a precedent you have fostered), here ? I am sure you have a million questions you would like to ask Gray. So why not turn your attention away from Marla and me, and focus on Mr Gray? There is nothing in or by ME that is going to inform you further about Marla - is there? Why do you keep trying to snag me on Marla as if I held some key to her? You say you know Mr Gray well, you exchange email with Gray, you are both in the book business - so why not enlightened this forum about Mr. Gray and his book and convey some of his information and understanding of the DB Cooper case, with us? That to my mind would be an excellent way to put substance on the idea of "moving on", which both you and 377 keep promulgating here. Now I am suggesting a way to put meat on those bones, and give us and the world something worth having. Who knows, your friend Gray might even join you and 377 here and the three of you could really give this thread some meaning, for a change ? Why don't you and 377 and Mr Gray talk it over and let us know. That would give substance to your and 377's challenge to "move on". I think we are all waiting to have 'something' to move on with! Or, we could discuss the Ruis Fractal Probability set and its application to the Cooper case, if you and 377 wish. Summation: Do something that matters, for a change?

Jo, that just isn't factual. Nobody but a forum moderator has control. If you don't like what someone posts, just skip over it. You are getting spun up over something that is so easy to ignore. 377 Well no! I stated my views on Marla years ago. That you continue to ask ... I cant explain. I guess its an issue of control, or lack of control! Read the thread. Let's move on -

Well...maybe you shouldn't quote 'rumors from Never-Never Land' unless you are willing to explain yourself a bit. Next time just say this: Excuse me. Georger says in part: Yes, I know. But I deleted the excerpt. You were the one who complained about it...and then re-quoted it in its entirety. Reminds me of a line from Star Wars: Keep trolling Blevins. Sooner or later even Quade will tire of your trolling & games just as he did Knoss'. Sometimes, quite frankly, I wonder if somebody isn't paying you to troll this forum and be as disruptive as the rules allow - like maybe Geoff Gray? There are people who have a vested interest in keeping this thread as disrupted as possible, to keep posters pissed and information off the thread. In your case it may be sour grapes but I sense a rejuvenation since you announced (for Gray) his movie deal here. We all know Gray has no love for this forum and wants to see it gone. Lacking that I could see a plan-B. Are you plan-B? Or plan-C (the dolt plan) ? For example: look at your chicken track gibberish above. Now look at my concise to the point post. Meyer is back, but you are off the rails again. I like bringing new ideas up here. You hate new ideas and fight them every step of the way with anger, sarcasm, poking fun, and making things personal etc! Americans wanna know! (your line)

Probably time to return to Cooper now. If Georger gets angry about all of this, I can't blame him. I'll just have to take it.

Speaking of plagiarism, Georger's post back there with the Mars Thing sounds a lot like an excerpt from The 13th Day of Christmas. Georger...tsk, tsk. Just kidding, man. If you didn't like the excerpt, you should just delete the thing. It WAS a bit long, I'll admit. The post was yours, not mine, you bloviating idiot. As in: Re: [RobertMBlevins] OXYGEN TANKS & WHY NWA 305 [In reply to]

OFF TOPIC KNOSS RANT!

Robert99 was the one responding to the oxygen questions. Thank you Mother Hen. Sort all the eggs while you're at it! Be sure to throw out all the dead ones. Well will get to Narcissism later. Dot every i, and cross every t. Even if they don't exist. And even if they DO exist. Verify all testimony or evidence with a second source, if possible. I learned that from THIS. If you keep on with those offhand, insult-for-no-reason type of comments, you'll get a posting with an excerpt about the first manned landing on Mars. Which has nothing to do with Cooper, by the way, although I guarantee it's more entertaining than your last post. You don't want that. Picking and choosing times to insult works better than just spray-and-pray. Like when you have a good reason for it besides just a general principle. It's no insult. It's just a factual observation shared by the vast majority, of how you operate - Sham Wow. Farflung noted it well! That you should be insulted by this factual account means only that you cannot change, do not see the error of your ways, resist honest criticism when it comes your way, that your analysis cannot tolerate FACTS or a factual analysis, and that you are probably some loner looking for recognition where recognition is not due .... I don't expect you to understand it. But to keep calling it a personal insult only proves you don't have the faintest idea what you are saying and doing ! You keep wandering into the no-man's-land of your lack of personal epiphany only to get lost, then you try and decode things which fails, you try and tell others how to decode things (like Jo does) and that does not work, then you get mad, then you call clouds passing by an insult! (Hit your finger with a hammer to bring yourself back to reality?) Stop blaming me and others for your own self induced stupor, hanging out on Dropzone expecting something to happen! Blevins! You did not create the world and you don't control it or anyone else in it. Play it again, Sam. Its all you have in your arsenal of card tricks. Are you a Master? Don't make the world laugh! I will anyway... Get a map. That might help and most people would almost three into a voyage going nowhere. It's not an insult. Its just me sitting here looking out my window watching 'some guy' wandering around in the street, wondering how long until someone calls authorities to come and look into the matter and take the guy home ... wherever in hell he belongs, to relieve the neighborhood of his rants!

Robert99 was the one responding to the oxygen questions. Thank you Mother Hen. Sort all the eggs while you're at it! Be sure to throw out all the dead ones. Well will get to Narcissism later. Dot every i, and cross every t. Even if they don't exist.

Sail, I didn't post on this topic. Someone has me confused with someone else - probably Blevins or Jo.

Hey Meyer. Just got in, been a long day, but much accomplished. Welcome back. Take care. You know what I mean .... Yes, there is some good material in those early days. Was more problem oriented back then I think ... in spite of JT! (thats a joke - he's reading this). Take care.. take care.. later. G.