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Blevins, I do specifically recall having made some comments over the years about D.B. Cooper. But no comments about "the suspect", whatever you mean by that. You and Jo Weber apparently have zero retention about matters that don't support you candidates. On the matter of Tom Kaye. I will defer to Tom Kaye and Georger on anything that involves a microscope or telescope. Otherwise, I will accept at face value anything Tom and Georger do until I have reasons not to. However, I will not defer to Tom Kaye, Georger, Farflung, RobertMBlevins, or anyone else, on matters related to aircraft performance and flight dynamics. And for the record, I am not aware of any disagreements between Tom, Georger, and myself on anything of substance. Robert99 And I second that. Good answer. My feeling is Tom would approve also.

If you come up with something later on a pilot license let us know.

Contrived? At least I'm not gullible... The issue is objectivity... In your previous posts you have mentioned turning things over to people you evidently found (and know?) at Carnegie Mellon University. Maybe you can find somebody there to work with you. Keep us posted on your Newsvine/Carnegie-Mellon association and progress.

If his alibi was 100% solid then why a second interview and insistence on a DNA sample? I totally agree that Peterson "was not the type", but that is flawed thinking when applied to criminal cases. I've seen sooooo many guilty defendants who were "not the type". If I were his defense counsel I'd not have him testify. They just do not have enough evidence to convict him. Burden of proof is on the govt. Standard of proof for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Georger, the court would not disqualify me. I'm not a potential witness and my speculation about Peterson on the forum isn't evidence of anything. If lawyers who thought their clients might be guilty had to be disqualified there would be a massive shortage of defense counsel. I don't think Peterson is guilty. I haven't yet seen ANY evidence that proves guilt. He IS however one hell of a well qualified candidate and remains so. Sailshaw: you've mentioned many times that Peterson quizzed you about the 727 air stair. Can you shed some light in how he approached the subject and how deep he dug? I know he saw something in Aviation Week, but I'd like more info about the conversation he had. Was this info given to the FBI when they interviewed you? 377 Funny: if I were the prosecutor I definitely would challenge you, on multiple grounds, one of 'personal investment' in the whole Cooper case, and two of Sheridan in particular ... I might get the ruling but I would issue the challenge... perhaps for any appeal! I'm sure I could come up with more grounds... ... something to do with radios?

I doubt you would be allowed to represent Petey in Court, given your background here.

Let's look at the facts regarding any description of Cooper. First, does the FBI have Cooper pegged somewhere on the Fitzgerald Scale for skin color? If so, I haven't seen it. How come all the witnesses said he was a white guy? In other words, if he actually had olive skin type, why didn't even ONE witness venture he may have been from Europe, an Arab country, the Med, Nordic, or even Hispanic? Everyone agreed he was a white guy and may have had a Midwest accent. The idea that he may have been tanned is quite possible. Why does the FBI describe his eye color on the wanted posters as 'possibly brown,' and then say he put on sunglasses? Why couldn't any two witnesses agree on the description, not even the stews? Then seem unsure of his exact height, pegging it at 5'10"-6'0". One passenger says he's sure Cooper was no taller than five-nine. One of the stews said maybe over six feet. Pretty big range. To top it off, all three stews selected different combinations from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. The one thing that's consistent in the witness descriptions is that there isn't much consistency in them. Unless you are willing to declare young stews and a few passengers as genetic experts, then I doubt they would know the difference between a person tanned and someone with a genetic background leading to the 25-30 range on the Fitzgerald Scale. This is where some of you make your biggest errors investigating the case. You believe the poster is an actual photograph. You refuse to believe the witnesses were quite varied in their descriptions. Well with your broad brush, Cooper could have been a giraffe ... and then Molly Smith in red shoes with ten identifying tattoos, the next minute. Your hyperbolae is not factual argument. Does the FBI use the Fitzgerald Scale? I dunno. Do you? The Von Luschan's chromatic scale? I dunno. Do you? Are you saying airline stews who see many people don't know what olive skin is when they see it? I think yours is the extreme position saying: "Unless you are willing to declare young stews and a few passengers as genetic experts, then I doubt they would know the difference between a person tanned and someone with a genetic background leading to the 25-30 range on the Fitzgerald Scale. " Following your advice law enforcement should never ask for help from "young stews and a few passen- gers" in any criminal matter, including any crime related to you or your family! You say: "why didn't even ONE witness venture he may have been from Europe, an Arab country, the Med, Nordic, or even Hispanic?" Well, in fact several did! (Read the thread) You say: "Why couldn't any two witnesses agree on the description, not even the stews? " But, they did! (Read the thread) We seem to be operating from two totally different evidence pools and theories of the case. I havent the faintest idea where you got your evidence and theory! Unless its just your interpretation based on I dont know what. You could just jump to the last rung of paranoid hyperbolae and say: 'There never was a real hijacking, and Kenny Christiansen was part of the conspiracy. Would that satisfy you, Porteous, and Lyle? You get your movie script out of that! Or just say: "Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper because, there is no evidence and one in hand is worth two in the bush". Who is on first, second, third, and homeplate all at once? Blevins is. In fact Mr. Blevins, yours may be the only Theory of Everything ever offered in the DB Cooper case. Cooper could be anybody you chose. One for each day of the week all supported by your various evolving arguments based on "your evidence" nobody else has!

Bob, keep us posted on your progress. This could be very interesting. I think you have support in what you are proposing ... Petey already had attracted the FBI's interest, on his own. He has already given up dna for testing, as I understand this. I think all of this is in your favor but should be handled privately, without fanfare, through your support system. ps: One thing I meant to ask, for my own interest: Has Sheridan ever held a pilot's license and if so what type and what years? Thanks & Good luck.

Georger I though it was you who posted an obit on this guy, but I can't find it. ! nope, wasn't me...

Yes. That was pretty cheesy - no other word for it. Just game playing. Blevins knows as well as you and I do that "olive skin" as the FBI is using the term, should have a genetic counterpart. Just as in eye color. I presented new material on the genetic basis for estimating eye color, etc. Moreover, Blevins himself has previously said: 'eye color and skin color are genetic". Now he suspends his prior pronouncement of technical knowledge in favor of: tanning ? What's next? KC accidentally fell into a vat of cow poop? Everything Blevins does here is contrivance. Sailshaw: Have you considered that perhaps releasing your info that Petey was not in Nepal, might be the trigger needed for the FBI to do the dna testing you want? .... just a thought. But, if Petey wrote the letter(s) does that prove he was Cooper? You have a viable theory going ... Thanks. G.

We've been down this road before. I can present witnesses who say Christiansen was heavily tanned, plus there is the excerpt from his own letter. And some pictures. Height? Witnesses varied on the descriptions, so who can say for sure? Not you, not me, no one really. You have yet to present a single shred of evidence placing Sheridan inside the United States at the time of the crime, when even the FBI dismissed him more than a decade ago. Unlike KC, Sheridan WAS investigated by the FBI. We've been down this road before ad nauseum. Blevins: you know as well as I do (and a host of others do!) that your account of Gray's meeting with Flo, is not the whole story! Not even remotely! Once again you selectively present what fits your agenda. Yours is tactics, not facts, and you are well aware of that. It seems tome your whole presentation here over 2+ years has been "tactics" as opposed to any meaningful presentation of the full facts in the Cooper case, or even part of that case. Now you are using "civility" to start in all over again, re posting your old scripts again! That is most uncivil under the present circumstance. I can present witnesses including Flo Schafner who say Kenny was NOT DB Cooper. Gray's little "tricky" didnt work - and neither will "yourky". Smoke and mirrors. Carnival tricks and dust. Pitch your screen play to people with an average IQ for a change! For your information, Gray is already on record as saying multiple times: "Kenny is not Cooper". So why the Sham Wow act here, Blevins? Shameless and uncivil. Gray was not the first or the last, to talk to Flo Schafner about all kinds of matters including Kenny Chistiansen. I am sure you are well aware of that fact! I think you are well aware of the "facts" by now, but choosing to ignore them in favor of your uncivil attempt to present a straw man which didn't even exist in the first place, until you arrived. In order to keep it civil you must change your pitch and assume people here have at least an average IQ and a memory, aware of who has said what before, on the record. This is Dropzone, not Newsvine. You are preaching to the Church, here. Stop trying to rewrite historical fact. We know and have the FACTS. Your constant opportunism manipulating well- documented facts and history is the height of incivility, in my opinion. These are matters that were document- ed and hardly even open to discussion, long before you arrived! We have discussed all of this multiple times before at your behest, reprising your same scripts over and over and over - what has changed in the last several weeks that changes the prior 'factual discussion'? Just because Gray and others are not here to state the bare facts themselves, and just because people want some relief and peace here, does not mean you are now free to engage in free-range opportunism all over again, trying to squeeze in small exceptions which do not change the larger facts on record !

In skydiving gravity always wins. You just want to be sure gravity doesnt hit a grand slam. Bruce thinks gravity can be made optional, but I dont agree. If Bruce is right, imagine how it could change skydiving. No planes, no rigs, no DZ. Just hop and drop, anywhere. 377 There is one hard and fast rule of skydiving.... when you leave the door of the airplane in flight... you have to do SOMETHING to save your life. Throwing a pilot chute at the planet at some point in the jump usually is a good start at saving your own life. I want proof Cooper did that!

Really. LOL! Only with my dead body. No.1 son says: "That would make one helluva funeral., Dad!"

I know. I just dont like it. I want Cooper to be a mad skills jumper, not a friggin Whuffo. 377 Thanks for the nice welcome back, Georger and 377! Re above quotes - can you briefly fill me in on farf's baseline? You are more than welcome. 377 can (and should) add his take on Farf's Law. Farf compared other hijackings to Cooper's and concluded that nothing really stood out as special, or is required as being special, about Cooper's hijacking. That the Cooper hijacking must be viewed as on a par with the other hijackings which occurred within the same period, in the same region. No special skills or knowledge required. I *hope* this is a fair statement of Farf's baseline principle. Now for you in particular: that the Cooper hijacking and all other hijackings, all fit statistically, in their details. (including details such as loss of money during the bailout, etc...) Except that Cooper was not caught while all the others were. Is this your understanding 377 ? Where is Farflung ?

WELCOME HOME!

He may be right. DBC could have been a Whuffo. Still, there are clues that he was aviation savvy. He gave very specific commands about flap angle, altitude, airspeed gear configuration and pressurization. Most Whuffos dont know a flap from an elevator or spoiler. Most Whuffos wouldn't think about exit speeds. Most whuffos wouldnt think about flying depressurized. I still think DBC KNEW a 727 could be jumped. 377 Ckret might reply: 'knew just enough to get into trouble'. And some of this socalled 'knowledge' can be formed just sitting in an airport lounge watching the 727 land, rear stairs come down, and drawn up. Cooper's manual: the Gilbert Hijacking Set ????? The particles on the tie and some other specific evidence is a little more difficult to dismiss or do a work-around. Farf's baseline must be taken seriously.

. .. If Cooper's body is ever located, check for dog tags. Robert99 smile.

Many USAF pilots learned the hard way that all the electronic gadgets demand far too much attention in the cockpit while "interesting" things were happening out there on the other side of their canopy around them in the far too real world. . documented - verified. Understatement of the last half of the 20th century, for some? Real world won. Well the pilots won - or some of my best friends and former classmates would not be around to attend reunions! What a cluster ruck! There are some great testimonials out there ...

Hah. You'd actually have several jumpmasters for your chuteless jump. Jo would certainly be there with Orange. Orange and Snow dug really deep on SE Asia topics including the intriguing MACV SOG night jumps into the NVN jungle. http://www.macvsog.cc/ They also explored the CIA's recruitment of smoke jumpers for covert ops in SE Asia. Sheridan's smoke jumper background and his work as an "advisor" in Nam are noteworthy as is his work in technical documentation at Boeing, night jump experience, business suit jump, and huge grudge against the US Govt. I think Sheridan is a superbly qualified candidate, but I can't square Norjack with his character. He seems to be a principled person who abhors violence and he has no criminal record. He looks a lot like the FBI sketches and according to Sailshaw has an olive complexion. If his Nepal alibi was really solid the FBI wouldn't have insisted on a DNA test. They ruled him out on DNA. Sailshaws recommends that the FBI see if Sheridans DNA matches any on the letters or stamps and envelopes used for the highly publicized post skyjack letters sent to newspapers allegedly authored by DBC. It's an easy thing to do IF they have good samples. Bruce, any chance you could ask Norman whether he machined pure titanium in his shop prior to the skyjack date? Maybe you could show him Toms tie findings and ask if any of those metals might have been on the rigs he supplied to the FBI. 377 Sheridan definitely had the skills. He also liked to challenge authorities, if the info I read is correct. But, couldn't Sheridan have composed the 'Cooper letters' without having been DB Cooper? I don't see that the one requires the other, as some claim. Would Sheridan have behaved on the plane as Cooper did? Can Sheridan be linked to McCoy or Gossett in any way? Where and why did Cooper conceive the idea of parachuting from an airplane, as a means of escape? Did Cooper reveal a political element to his crime during his time aboard 305 - that is a question which has not been answered to my satisfaction. (I see nothing in the record so far that points to Cooper specifically expressing a political element, as Sheridan has?) Farflung has been asking a fundamental question: how should Cooper's crime be judged as any different or unique from any of the other hijackers during the same period. Farflung's is an important question for several reasons; #1, Farflung is trying to establish a baseline for comparing Cooper to other parachuting hijackers, and #2, Farflung is saying that no special skills were required or even 'evidenced' in Cooper's crime, until something specific is identified that separates Cooper from the general population, or puts Cooper squarely in a special population of McCoy's, Sheridans, etc. Farflung is saying no such proof has been given, to his satisfaction, if I read him correctly. Farflung is saying 'Cooper must pass this test'. Likewise, George Nuttall asked: "What set of facts gave Cooper the idea he could bail from a 727?' Nuttall went so far as to suggest that JT or perhaps some of the named candidates with parachuting skills, may have unknowingly given Cooper the idea to use parachuting in an extortion attempt. Farflung's Test is a valid test, imo. Especially if you are going to compare Cooper with someone like Sheridan. You must show that Cooper displayed skills and knowledge on a par with Sheridan. It's pretty clear Bill Rataczak does not think that was the case; which takes us back to Farf's basic contention - that Cooper could have been anybody from the general population. That is the baseline and test that must be used.

I was tempted to mention Orange1 specifically, but everytime I thought of her I remembered her comments about my encounters with Tina. The image-slash-fantasy that then arose for me is Orange pushing me out of an airplane sans NB 8 (or anything ressembling one) shouting: THAT's FOR TINA! I also have a second flight of fancy, of Orange burning me at a stake, ala the Salem witch trials. Whew... . well, Orange did represent how many people felt. Orange did represent a valid point of view. I think you should include her. I agree with 377.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013 by Jo Weber ? Hilarious!! You are the only ONE who caught that! Lady - I have your number. ... sometimes. It never matters however.

Robert99, McShutter, Farflung, Hangdiver, SafecrackingPlF, and Meyer Louie and many others have all been informative and reasonable. Sadly, Meyer lost his cool one night and got kicked-out in 2012. Same, too, for Galen Cook back in 2009. I would by lying if I didn't say your review is enjoyable. One tries. But you left out Orange-1 who definitely earned a spot in your review. She kept us all sane for many years and made many valuable- perceptive posts, and still may! You left out Sluggo! His contributions and vast know- ledge continue to be irreplaceable and we are less for his taking a rest. Sluggo came back in December to inform us he is :still alive:! I personally wish he was still here. Sluggo was always a backbone of reason. I personally could say the same for Farflung. And, you left out yourself. You have made vital contributions here, which have literally held this forum together at times. We all know your interest in this case is sincere and deep, if problematic at times. Keep up the good work, Bruce. It is more than any other DB Cooper forum has ever achieved, and that's just a fact.

Shocked? He wrote a book. Yes, Geoffrey probably has a copy of the Farrell work. Geoff showed parts of it, at least photos, in a power point presentation at the Portland Symposium. Geoff has plenty of stuff, such as transcripts on the parachutes - remember that I stole stuff from him that he had stolen from the FBI via a link posted here on the DZ! Geoff also had copies of the hand-written notes taken in the cockpit and gave copies of his copies to others, and now I have copies of copies of ciopies. Geoff may have a valuable property. Is he worth it!? The Smithsonian gets fucked again, by some "reporter", who with a little training could be giving the local weather report each night on KPEE-TV ! What has this world come to! He wrote a 'book'? Monks write books! Shadows and dust.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013 by Jo Weber ? Hilarious!!

(emphasis added) Nobody ever forces your hand Jo. You will riddle and tease until those KY cows come home. 377 Moo too! Its the radios done us in. She thinks we control hurricanes and now has the evidence? Im only guessing. Popcorn ready.