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Believe me when I say they seem to always find me or I find them! NO Georger don't you DARE say one word!

There was a full analysis of the skunk money here, with photos. Its not even from the same era as I recall . . . Sluggo may know who posted that - he just never said but was very (intentionally?) mum on the topic. Some thought Safe was the person but he said no ?

Quote SUPER EXCELLENT CATCH! Good for you!

The answer is 'yes'. Vicki can fill you in, but he has been officially looked at. Please note* I am not giving an account or a conclusion - Several of us agreed many years ago not to make this a public matter but to allow Vicki to take the lead in whatever she wished to say or not say ... and as far as I am concerned that agreement/policy is still in force. It's a private matter for Vicki and her family and the FBI.

Quote do you have any SIMPLE statements or questions to make? something a Chinese lawyer and 500 vassles could follow and comprehend that has any truth to it without winding up in one of your wilderness expeditions lost for eternity

The quotes from Skyjack are actually the ones shown below. The one from page 171 relates your association with Dropzone, your true name, and your username at DZ. The quote from page 220 discusses your falling-out with Tom Kaye. Reason given: You released information that Kaye didn't want released. Here's the exact quote: ***'Noticeably missing from Tom's team is (you, name withheld), who had referred him (Tom) to Larry Carr at the FBI. Before the trip, there was a falling-out. Tom's issue was confidentiality. After his discovery of silver on the bills, he e-mailed a copy of his microscopic scan to (you, name withheld), who posted it at the Drop Zone website. Tom felt the leak was a violation of trust. According to Tom, that's why (your name, withheld) chose not to come. Quote This is complete nonsense too. I published a mere fragment of one of Tom's scans at Dropzone - merely to prove to complainers complaining here the science team was taking too long and had done nothing in months, that work was actually happening. The fragment posted meant nothing to anyone. It was tantamount to the photo attached which is a fragment of the nose of a horse! Yes Tom did get upset! It was asinine. Tom had far more important violations of protocol and security which eventually lead to a serious dispute and threats of a lawsuit between himself and others! "According to Tom, that's why (your name, withheld) chose not to come (to Tena Bar)". ? Totally false! I could not not to come to Tena Bar because of surgery and the press of business here! Everyone knew that! Once again neither you or Tom Kaye even have the full story which is the fact underlying this whole pseudo conversation - Blevins it is 100% obvious you are trying to build another straw man based on fragmentary knowledge and information you picked up from others which you know absolutely nothing about, as is your perpetual curse to do. Quite frankly madam, it is none of your business. Are you finally getting an education here ?

Robert says: I think we understand now why you've occasionally picked on Kaye's research. That's your right, I suppose. You told Gray something that was completely untrue to get a response from him. And that's assuming you are even telling the truth with your alleged phone call. Hard to believe you got it all so wrong there. What was wrong? You quoted me as saying Gray worked in a group home for the mentally ill, when I was actually speaking of my own experience. Maybe you should go back and take a look. You are completely mixed up, misread the post, and well...I can't figure out how you managed that unless you were just tired or something. Then Gray calls you and you rattle on with whatever...it's weird. You should simply admit Gray never said those things about me you originally quoted him with, and move on. Jo: If you are reading this now, you should go back and delete Georger's real name from the 171 book quote you did.Quote You specifically did not admit it was NOT from Gray's book, you headlined your infamous remarks referring to Gray's pages 171 and 220, and you followed it up by another post saying: "Okay. Let's say you're telling the truth and you haven't seen it. Pages 171 and especially 220 refer to you. Maybe you should stop by your local library and pick up a copy. You're even listed in the Index. " Nowhere do you say the remarks you published are YOURS and NOT Geoff Gray's on pages 171 and 220. Don't you advertise your self to be a professional editor! ? I gave you a chance to explain and retract your publication and you chose to let any confusion stand. And now you still want to quibble about Geoff Gray's remarks, with me ... and others! ??? Blevins you are so far beyond the end of the plank you are standing in air. Good luck Pirate Blevins!

Well, Geoff Gray just called me at home. He says the quote below from Blevins' post last night IS NOT from his (Gray's) book. Quoting Geoff verbatum: "NEVER! NO! He has the wrong guy! I never worked in a group home for the mentally ill? (Geof laughs). Where did he get that!? ..... He has the wrong guy.... You know everything that guy says is highly highly, highly suspect, highly suspect! HIGHLY!" Geoff says. (highly repeated five times!) ... "Its not on any page 171 or 220 or anywhere else in my book! I have never said any such things like that about you!", Geoff says. The call is documented for future reference. Geoff and I talked further, and will talk again very soon, about the Cooper case specifically. So... Robert Blevin's assertion below is not a quote from Geoff Gray book, or anywhere else that Geoff or I know of. Blevins quote: My fave is page 220, though. Says a lot in so few words. To Everyone Else: On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person from what they write. I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi-professional opinion based on six years working in group homes for the mentally ill when I was much younger, and just out of community college. I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign. " Georger could he be about 20 credits short of the right answer Goodnite Irene.

Im not going to go into detail here. The answer is complex ... After a very long period of almost a year of third party exchanges Geoff and I finally connected in a series of phone calls, all rushed. I explained a little of my background and that I had family in Washington, and had spent one Thanksgiving at Vancouver where we (family) discussed the Cooper hijacking. Several members of our family had been involved in searches for Cooper at various locations. I have already explained most of this before. Geof's focus was not on me but on researching evidence in the Cooper case, and on Tom Kaye's work. From this brief introduction Geoff composed a vita for me which was never meant to be a full accurate vita. Tom and his team and Geoff got into a serious dispute. I tried to intervene on Tom's behalf with Geoff Gray ... it was like interfering in two people's divorce! I got chewed on by both sides. In the end Geof decided to use my name in his book. Time has passed since then. Geoff and I now talk freely. We don't discuss what happened earlier except Geoff has apologised for misrepresenting my background. Geoff says he still wants to discuss the Cooper case in depth with me and I tend to think sooner or later we will - there really is no reason not to at this point. I still think Geoff is a good writer and fully capable to writing a definitive Cooper story, when the conditions are right. Geoff's writing skills are real. If I were to pick two or three people to collaborate on very good Cooper book, one of the first would be Geoff Gray .. but with proper direction and guidance and time. Thanks for the intelligent question -

Well, Geoff Gray just called me at home. He says the quote below from Blevins' post last night IS NOT from his (Gray's) book. Quoting Geoff verbatum: "NEVER! NO! He has the wrong guy! I never worked in a group home for the mentally ill? (Geof laughs). Where did he get that!? ..... He has the wrong guy.... You know everything that guy says is highly highly, highly suspect, highly suspect! HIGHLY!" Geoff says. (highly repeated five times!) ... "Its not on any page 171 or 220 or anywhere else in my book! I have never said any such things like that about you!", Geoff says. The call is documented for future reference. Geoff and I talked further, and will talk again very soon, about the Cooper case specifically. So... Robert Blevin's assertion below is not a quote from Geoff Gray book, or anywhere else that Geoff or I know of. Blevins quote: "My fave is page 220, though. Says a lot in so few words. To Everyone Else: On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person from what they write. I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi-professional opinion based on six years working in group homes for the mentally ill when I was much younger, and just out of community college. I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign. " Georger

Quote What you are doing is scorolous, Mr. Blevins. You have taken me and others down this road many times at your instigation here on Paul Quade's thread at Dropzone. Two weeks ago you were claiming that MADD was founded in your home town! Your list of false claims here is endless - or is it? And why do I get this strange feeling it is Geoffrey Gray, Gray's publisher, Tom Kaye, this forum and Paul Quade, perhaps other people I dont even know, even Snowmman and the FBI!, you are ultimately after and have targeted - for denying you what you feel is your just recognition and rewards? It's very Weber-like? You usually set your sights high in high orders of magnitude in your "maximum emphemeris". I must be just one stop along your path to glory? I must be dreaming! ? But you never think small. You know I could just opt out here and ignore you, and let you get on with your next target, who will be (on the list above) . .?

Well, your rather dumb joke was getting tiresome after about the first year. Didn't think I'd actually check to see if you were telling the truth, did you? LOL. Geoff has a public email address. If you do these things, I think it's fair for me to quote Geoff Gray too. You quote him. Why can't I? What's good for the goose is certainly good for the gander. Like from Skyjack, for example. Page 171... My fave is page 220, though. Says a lot in so few words. To Everyone Else: On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person from what they write. I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi-professional opinion based on six years working in group homes for the mentally ill when I was much younger, and just out of community college. I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign. Non-Cooper: Why did I decide to work with the mentally ill? The money? Nope. Rewarding? Uh...not really. I had one try to plunge a pair of scissors into my back, and another who pulled out my chair as I was sitting down. The reason was...they let ME set the schedule. Two overnight crews, two guys apiece. Me and my buddy do one shift, the other two guys do the other. So...this is what I did. I had the schedule set for my crew to work from 6:30PM to 8:00AM, that's 13.5 hours. Then...we worked four days on, and FIVE days off. Then...we would come back and do OUR five days. Since when you got off work on the last of the four-day rotation, let's say...a Tuesday morning...you didn't have to be back to work until Sunday night. LOL. Add it up. We still got more than forty hours in a week, which meant a bit of overtime pay, and I took vacations all the time. Sometimes to OTHER STATES. My girlfriend would say: "You're going camping AGAIN? Where?" Answer: "Oregon coast." Or: "North of Vancouver, BC". Or wherever. She couldn't go because she had a regular 9-5 position at a hospital. I hated leaving that job... Quote I have no idea what is in Gray's book on pages 171 and 220. But it appears your juxtaposition of "To Everyone Else:..." and what follows, is your concoction and not from Geoff Gray's book! Were you trying to make it appear your statement was a quote from Gray's book? Let's assume you arent that shameless? Once again you reference community college but in another confession not too long ago did you not say you never completed community college, so, your reference to after community college is a little vague and misleading don't you think? You can fall back on: "I never said that!" Can we not also assume therefore, that your references to mental disorders in people, might also be suspect given your greater inclination toward exaggageration and mind games ? Or even a projection of your own dark shadows based on wishful thinking and envy ? What concoction meant to poison somebody's well will you serve up next? Are your hands and fingers and lips turning BLACK with TRUTH?

Wrong again. Lyle Christiansen does not own the rights to the Kenny Christiansen story, or any of the images, documents, letters, or other evidence currently in the possession of AB. He turned that all over to us by contract. I insisted on this to preserve some credibility with he and his family. They stand to gain absolutely ZERO on the sale of any story about Kenny. Zip, zero, nada. Lyle's sole motivation is to know the truth about his brother, that's all. As you may know, I already turned down one offer to purchase the film option on the KC story. This offer came from a production company represented by Paradigm out of their NY office. Call me stupid, I guess, since I drive an '88 Nissan pickup with 140K on it. But...they wanted to take serious liberties with the known facts on Christiansen, and that's why I said no. Next time, before you open your mouth, perhaps ensure your foot isn't already busy in there... Thanks for the quote, but I'm not a big fan of Robert Burns. As far as Scottish writers, I'm more of an Alistair Maclean kind of guy. I could watch The Guns of Navarone a hundred times. Quote I dont know anything about it or care - I wouldnt believe anything you say in any event. I could care less if you are a "fan" of Robt Burns or not. Hee is no fan of yours, numbnuts.

Well, your rather dumb joke was getting tiresome after about the first year. Didn't think I'd actually check to see if you were telling the truth, did you? LOL. Geoff has a public email address. You were the one kept bring it up - not me! I let it die but you still keep bringing it up years later! Well you said you had contacted Geoff. How was I to know you were lying? And you've been lying every time you've made the claim! Hell I was sitting here waiting for you to publish the damaging email you claimed to have against me from Geoff. So Geoff's description of his very limited email exchanges with you is true .. contrary to your claim(s) ... just as Geoff described it to me. That is refreshing to know. You have to realise Blevins, I'm just a spectator to your games since you came here, and quite often your target and victim, like when you targeted Sluggo at the start. You will have to forgive my naive'te. I'm not nearly as smart and cunning as you are, just more honest. I have no reason to deceive anyone about anything. Except for one thing: The joke is 'the joke'. Geoff said every word I ever claimed he said. His most recent description of you as a "Troublemaker" is 100% true ... and now he can email or call him and confirm it. You are hoisted with your own petard. You see Blevins honest people don't have to change their stories as you do. Good night Irene.

I froze the video and looked at the letter he sent to the FBI. He thinks it's Christiansen. LOL...day late, dollar short. There's the book, which has been out for years, the Geoff Gray article, and the Christiansen report, which was sent to the FBI last December. He seems to base his entire case on a match of handwriting samples he has of Kenny's, compared to one or more of the taunt letters. Hell...I got a lot more than a handwriting sample on Kenny (entire letters, the originals). And I have a lot more evidence. But I still can't say without a doubt that KC was Cooper. Blevins I think I know who the guy is and the man contacted me and he is dead set on proving who Cooper was and fabricates his information. You should hear the tale he told me about Duane. Claimed to have a witness he interviewed that could put Duane in WA and also a description of man in a white Caddy with a woman in the back seat with blonde hair. I didn't buy into his story so he moved on. There were many many other things, but his story evolved. When I didn't take the bait he did a switch. He had started off claiming that at a very young age he met Duane Weber in WA near Paradise. I rode along with him for a while, but things just did NOT add up. When I would pin point him on evidence of his story - he balked. He came up with the name Vern which I have mentioned in this thread but never gave the last name. The man he was talking about could have been the father of the Vern I met with Duane...again he took something I mention about a S.E. state and used that regarding this Vern. He was NOT as bad as Knoss, but his story just did not add up. This young man claimed the thread was monitor by one of his guys and that another one had something to do with law enforcement. I thought it sounded like the Marla Camp and that it was a set up from get go, but played along for about 2 months just see where he was going. I severed the relationship when he got angry and Cossey came up dead. It got a little too scary for me. I did tell him to contact the FBI. When he talked about individuals I had contacted he - he claimed he has a good friend in that position & basically for me to stand down and let him and his contact research a specific thing. Problem was I had spoke with an individual in the facility yrs ago and recontacted him during this period of time. The guy had NO contacts in the facility. He had told me the guy was putting his job on the line by talking to me. Get IT? He was making this up as he went. Problem was - I had already been where he was going and there was nothing in the photo collection that would help. Since I have not been to the site - I do not know any of the above to be fact - just sounds like a little more of the game the Cooper Catchers want to play. I don't play when I it starts to smell really bad. You guys might find this an interesting tidbit - the guy contacted me thru Bruce!Quote All that work down the drain. I wonder which side Lyle will lean to now? The one wth the script and a movie deal? Who will now take the Duane story to the FBI without Jo! Ooops. Sure is pleasantly quiet here tonight - But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane, In proving foresight may be vain; The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley, An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, For promis'd joy! [Robert Burns]

I froze the video and looked at the letter he sent to the FBI. He thinks it's Christiansen. LOL...day late, dollar short. There's the book, which has been out for years, the Geoff Gray article, and the Christiansen report, which was sent to the FBI last December. He seems to base his entire case on a match of handwriting samples he has of Kenny's, compared to one or more of the taunt letters. Hell...I got a lot more than a handwriting sample on Kenny (entire letters, the originals). And I have a lot more evidence. But I still can't say without a doubt that KC was Cooper. Georger: Still have emails from Geoff Gray where he denies telling you those things about me. You'll excuse me if I believe HIM, rather than YOU. For one thing, I only met the guy once, and that was at a book signing in Seattle. He invited me, along with a former FBI agent, and two other people out for drinks and a Cooper discussion afterward. He paid for the drinks. We exchanged signed copies of our books at the end. Doesn't sound like he thinks I'm a 'troublemaker' or 'unstable' LOL. You're just pissed off that I actually checked with him and quoted your remarks. Too bad. And on a personal note, you have a lot of nerve putting nasty words into a very nice guy's mouth. Maybe if you want the true definition of 'troublemaker', you should take a look in the mirror.Quote What if it's all a joke .... and you fell for it ALL again! You take yourself too seriously Mr. Perfect ... given your condition. THANKS GEOFF!

Quote Your best source for that is Tom Kaye/Alan Stone. Go directly to the source.

Quote You spend more time in denials, reversals, redirects, stalls, avoidance and made up stuff etc than Jo Weber and Bob Knoss do. Farflung hit the nail on the head - you are shameless. Your socalled "veriification" always fails. That is your whole record/problem and the only TRUTH that matters. Have a nice day: "Troublemaker" (Geoffrey Gray)

Lighten up. The all-bold is a bit much. You don't like to hear anything from anybody except yourself, do you? It's like you have this weird and twisted idea that I am the PuppetMaster or something. It's flattering, but I have better things to do, I assure you.

but especially directed at gibberish postings between Georger Quote Leave ME out of your shit. I barely spend 20 minutes per week here versus your daily hours and hours of monitoring 24/7, even on holidays!. You and Blevins, that is. The actual count has risen to almost 90% of all posts are you or Blevins per day. The word count for you two per day for weeks is nearly 100%! The fact is: the two people setting the agenda and topics here are YOU and RobertMBlevins. There is no rule that others have to like or follow the topics you and Blevins set. Those who want to discuss Jo Weber's personal life and Duane Weber raise your hands? Those who want to discuss RobertMBlevins personal life and 900 anti Blevins posts on CNN raise your hands? Those who wish to discuss Bob Knoss and his posts raise your hands? I dont see any hands! Uh well three: RobtMBlevins, Bob Knoss, and guess who - Jo Weber. That in a nutshell says it all. uber alles. Duhhhhhhh.

Robert99 - Just LEAVE it BE! Blevins is just being Blevins. At least he is NOT attacking other posters. Wish this thread could get back to the basics without long winded postings or someone strutting their stuff or making snide remarks or calling someone out. Perhaps we should self impose on ourselves postings not to exceed a certain word count...that would stop the bragging rights snide remarks and keep us on the topic at hand. If we do NOT stop the cycle NOW - it will be stopped for us...! Jo, As one who usually says about two or three times as much as can be said on a given subject, you are really the one who should follow your own advice. Robert99Quote You literally took the words out of my mouth...

*Moving on now*Quote Prove it!

Quote yawn ... Play it again Sham Wow.

Quote WHAT SUBJECT MATTER HERE? You're subject matter? Blevin's subject matter? Now I have addressed the subject matter that exists here! Are you happy? We tried discussing DB Cooper and that failed. Now you and Blevins run everything here. It's pretty simple. Congrats! In your case it's a little like you vs. Larry Carr, all over again. Only you and the Blevins remain. sob sob 377 will drop by to say all is well. all you must do is wait... or, NEW IDEA! Why dont you and Blevins start a discussion about DB Cooper - BETWEEN YOUS! The responsibility is yours and Blevins... gee. Stop the excuses. Serious whining going here... You spend much time on this thread whining about others, rather than bringing up anything new Cooper-related. And I keep saying publicly you're like a Cooper Expert and stuff. And trying to protect not only YOUR reputation, but the reputation of others who post here. Was I wrong in doing that? You'll have to explain why if you say no. Here's some unsolicited advice: If you have something Cooper-related to offer, then feel free to present. I don't run a thing here. That would be the moderator.Quote Wrong. I spend less than 30 mins here per week! You are here 24-7. And Geoffrey Gray was right about you. You are nothing but a trouble maker.

1. Georger ( you do NOT truely particapte in the subject matter other than to slur another poster). Quote WHAT SUBJECT MATTER HERE? You're subject matter? Blevin's subject matter? Now I have addressed the subject matter that exists here! Are you happy? We tried discussing DB Cooper and that failed. Now you and Blevins run everything here. It's pretty simple. Congrats! In your case it's a little like you vs. Larry Carr, all over again. Only you and the Blevins remain. sob sob 377 will drop by to say all is well. all you must do is wait... or, NEW IDEA! Why dont you and Blevins start a discussion about DB Cooper - BETWEEN YOUS! The responsibility is yours and Blevins... gee. Stop the excuses.