snowmman

Funny. To be serious, the real problem here is that it's easy for one person who has a grudge, to cause chaos. We've created a world where that's true. But we somehow don't want to live with the consequences of doing that. The "terror" aspect of it really comes from our media...who likes bold letters. ZAZI HATES YOU AND WANTS YOU DEAD. Well lots of people want lots of people dead. What does impress me, is that there are lots of folks working hard, to make infrastructure more terrorism resistant (actually: more "crazy nut case" resistant) The ready availability of serious weaponry makes it kind of difficult. If I can convince 3 other guys to arm up with me, we can pretty much take over anything (after a little training) and cause heartache (as long as we don't care about living or dying: but hell, some drugs and women can help me with that end of the deal). The transition for us will be in how we live with it as a normal part of life. Like how we came to live with the presence of nuclear weapons. ...even though part of the chain of "protection" is just guys like Sluggo :) Merry Christmas! Duane is Cooper! Feliz Navidad!

I sometimes think this entire thread is predicated on not revealing information Hey Snow tell me - and I am serious now: has the FBI ever proved that you aren't Cooper? Okay this part is true. I did fly on MD-80s this past week. Actually 4 different, since it wasn't non-stop. I was surprised to see how many MD-80s actually are in service. I guess the Cooper/rear stairs thing tunes one in. So on the last leg, I go thru TSA screening etc. And I'm waiting at the gate, and like 5 burly TSA guys show up (this is after the normal screening at the common entry point). And the person at the gate desk announces TSA is going to screen again for us, special, at the gate. So they go thru, kind of in a haphazard way. They don't really line up all the passengers...kind of drifting around, asking for ID and boarding pass. They use a little fluorescent light to shine on the boarding pass..I guess there's some percentage of fakes they can detect that way (Don't be stupid: contact SI to avoid getting detected by these little lights!) And then we all board. So I ask you: has the FBI fingered Snowmman to be Cooper?

Jo reported "The picture shown to me yrs ago was of this same group posted by Snowmman, but the picture I had orginally seen in the 1980's showed more of the truck. We have looked high and low for the book this might have been published in - because Duane stated there used to be a picture of him in the book, but someone had cut it out. Duane NEVER showed me the front of that book and what he showed me is ALL I saw. " Yes I have a lot more information about Duane and that truck. But it was discovered as a benefit of an anonymous donor, who only asked that I not reveal all of the information to a grieving widow who wouldn't be able to take it. I honored that request. The grateful donor recently gave some more money, as a thank you for honoring the request. (edit) That reminds me. I have to remind the donor that I once again did not reveal information, but ask nothing from him, I mean her/it, in return. And that I, a humble forum poster, would never dishonor him by begging. (edit) Jo acknowledged "Snowmman has made miracles before" Don't worry. I will make the sun rise tomorrow, again. All bets are off after the new year though.

says http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1947703,00.html "Most Domestic 'Jihadists' Are Educated, Well-Off" Except for Zazi of course. But apparently they are also skillfull profiteers off the back of the U.S. proletariat: ""Most Muslims in [the U.S.] are doing well, so those who have been radicalized tend to come from that class." I knew it. It wasn't guys like Madoff that screwed us over. It was Jihadists on Wall Street! The Class War is On! Lawyer Up!

It's likely someone else signed those, impersonating Duane. Duane may have been out on an operation, with gas or smoke at the time. I still get chills thinking about what Duane was up to. I suspect that Duane had a real bomb on the plane. (edit) You can read this post, and click to the next page, thinking "Someone else will send money to the 'Duane Weber Is Cooper' Foundation." But if everyone says that, there is no "someone else". Take that spare change and paypal it. You'll be glad you did. No money is given to Jo Weber.

what's the mystery? I thought that thing you're trying to create mystery about was Duane's fingerprint card. Didn't we talk about that already? Ckret mentioned several varying signatures. I suspect Ckret's theory to be wrong though...since it's different than the signature of the Officer taking the prints (see the card). Maybe Duane signed with right hand sometimes? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3245849;search_string=prints%20weber;#3245849 the print card is here http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3245653;search_string=prints%20weber;#3245653 you can see the sig in master1.jpg master2.jpg has a bigger version of master1.jpg Am I correct? Is Sluggo saying that he thinks no one here has any memory? ok, show of hands: How many others out there post while naked? (edit) Oh: too funny. Sluggo's right slanting signature is not from the fingerprint card, although it matches it. Sluggo's signature spells out the middle name. The fingerprint card doesn't. (surrounding printed type is different..it's from some kind of legal document though). (edit) If there are any female researchers of Weber out there who would like me to examine their files, send email to the paypal address. (edit) I just realized that it makes sense to ask the question: "Was Duane Weber murdered?"

Although Sluggo doesn't get paid to research Weber, I do. Small guy, fleece jacket. Drives a white Taurus. Drops off an envelope every two weeks. I don't ask questions. The money varies. I don't know what makes it vary. Maybe what I post? Or Maybe what I don't post? (edit) uh. Jo: Do you have pictures of the two women you mention? Are they from any of the following countries: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Denmark, Iceland.

jo said "PS: This is all being sent to the friend - he will not respond in this forum but, I am sure someone will hear from his attorney. " FINALLY!. It's not a ballgame till we're all lawyered up. At least we're finally getting serious. Hopefully the attorney will post here. We need fresh blood. Does the attorney think Duane was Cooper? He better not be a disbeliever! p.s. I've never talked to Jerry or known Jerry or talked to anyone who has talked to Jerry, but I think Jerry was defaming a number of people. I will testify to that belief. (edit) Unless of course, Jo's evidence says otherwise. Then I won't. I mean will. I mean, whatever Jo says.

I don't know what she has to say, It makes no difference anyway, Whatever Jo says, I'm all for it. No matter what it is or who commenced it, I'm all for it. Her propositions may be no good, But let's have one thing understood, Whatever it is, I'm all for it. And even when she's changed it or condensed it, I'm all for it. I'm with it, I'm behind it. On general principle, I'm all for it. Duane was Cooper!

Duane never drove a Ford F-350. Let's keep the facts straight. As Senator Franken pointed out "Everyone can have their own opinion, But everyone can't have their own facts" I wonder if Duane had a conversation about life insurance with Tina, or asked if he could examine her files. (edit) I believe Jo said Duane used to mow the grass with their own lawn mower, but forget. Need confirmation on that.

Interesting case of tailcone plus rear door loss in flight? tale from http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:oTM2AJIH_A8J:www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4429144/+md-80+tail+cone+separate&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us "An AC DC-9-32 lost the tailcone, rear door to the emergency exit, and part of the pressure builkhead at 25,000 ft. over the Atlantic after departure from BOS in 1979 due to an undetected crack in the pressure bulkhead. Luckily nobody was sucked out of the 5 ft hole due to the sudden depressurization. It made a safe emergency landing back at BOS. Coincidentally, the same aircraft (C-FTLU) was written off 4 years later in 1983 after an emergency landing at CVG on a DFW-YYZ flight due to a fire in one of the aft lavatories. 23 of the 46 on board died before they could evacuate the burning aircraft." (edit) The separate 1983 fire on C-FTLU is well-documented (Google) Here's a link that talks about an Air Canada plane losing the tail cone and door in flight in 1979 Amazing if it was the same plane as noted above (this issue wasn't mentioned in the fire accident reports I read). Air Canada is correct for a match. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0C16FD3B5D12728DDDA90A94D1405B898BF1D3 http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30B1EFC3D5C12728DDDA10994D1405B898BF1D3 "The rear door and tail cone of an Air Canada DC-9 twin-jet airliner were ripped away high over the Atlantic yesterday and assorted parcels and a food cart were swept out through the gaping hole"

I am collecting funds for the Duane Weber Is Cooper Foundation. Please forward this to all your email contacts. Money can be sent via paypal using this dz.com email address. Due to the volume, individual replies can not be guaranteed, but all money is used. Jo Weber receives nothing from this solicitation.

I get a lot of email from Al-Qaeda asking if they can jump out the back of an MD-80. I actually flew on MD-80s this week, and was looking at a rear stair deployment on an adjacent plane. Got me musing about Cooper. Everyone knows they removed the controls so you can't lower the rear stairs from inside, only a ground crew can do that. But the MD-80 has the tail cone that disconnects for the exit slide. So the question is: Can you blow the tail cone in flight and just jump out the back, without worrying about the stair issue? Here's a 1987 picture of a MD-81 landing after it lost it's tail cone on takeoff. Nice big jump exit! http://www.airliners.net/photo/0016973/L/ I'm thinking a Cooper thing would be pretty easy on any current MD-80. Just blow the tail cone, even before takeoff and leave the rear door open? I wonder if there's any kind of interlock on the rear door. I suspect not, since interlocks might restrict the rear door's use in an emergency.

Sometimes I lie awake at night, crying, thinking of Duane in the cave for 40 days and nights, laboring over the silver plates. Sherwin, why hast thou forsaken Duane?

Finally the Duane Weber Sibert maps are published. Duane Weber was Cooper.

That is true. I did get a small consult job. Don't know if they followed our recommendations, but I don't see why they wouldn't. We were given a couple of ground rules. 1) It would be torture if there was any physical injury. 2) Waterboarding was out because as Cheney said, once they knew our technique there, Al Qaeda would train for it and it wouldn't work so well. 3) Also, waterboarding didn't work as well as advertised. I asked "well what else are these guys afraid of?" "Dogs and panties" was the answer. Well, I pocketed the panties (U.S. Army issue) with a note to self to track down the owner. "Dogs?" I said. "Okay. You put your prisoners in a hole standing up, and bury them up to their necks. Sand is best, because the grit gets in your mouth and you can't rub it out with your hands. Then if you try to keep spitting it out, your mouth gets all dry and cracked after a couple of hours. You can alternate day or night. Pitch black can be good". "Then you send in the dogs. One at a time. Now some might think that you just send in one mean guy that starts biting them on the head and stuff. But no..You send in lots of different kinds of dogs..one at a time. Even some poodles and chihuahuas. See what happens is the poor guy tries to shoo them away by yelling. But eventually the dogs figure out the guy can't do anything. And the dogs do whatever they want. Some piss on him. Some lick him. Some just stare. You keep swapping the dogs out..So the guy never knows what's going to happen with the next one. But eventually what happens, is that it's not their fear of dogs that cracks them. What cracks them is when they realize the dogs want to socialize with them. And that they're just some poor sap of a human, buried up to their necks in sand by another human. And the closet thing to what we call "human contact" is coming from a dog with sharp teeth. Who could bite him on the face with no risk, but doesn't, because the dog realizes there's no point. And it's the realization that the dog is the only one displaying any traits we like to call "humanity"... that's what cracks them. They want to be the dog. And they realize, they can't be.

re mercenaries/contractors etc. That's why you always stay out of the people part of the business..people get all emotional about that, especially when they get dead. You can see how deadness gets people torqued with our recent Tosaw things. The money's in the gear. Problem is, it's hard to make good, cheap gear. Any jackass can run a "training" ground, or provide "security" guys that are just ex-military that you're paying more money to, and charging more for. So that's the problem Xe has. There's no such thing as being better "operationally"...so you're just providing guys with guns...and there are laws and such and people get emotional about that. Stick with the gear. Especially since you can get good stuff manufactured in China! Xe should compete that way.

So I was thinking about Sluggo's post again. I'm not sure what he meant talking about the perils of publishing early and the ??? aspect of this forum. But the way I remember things happening, is that we were all sitting here drinking, and Tom Kaye and Larry Carr went on TV. And we had something to do with that being good or bad? I don't get it. Pour another round, all around.

Hey I just was thinking: Cooper must not have had a cat or dog.

You see, the internet is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And the internet operates exactly the same way: type here, they read it there. The only difference is that there is no cat. All I know, South Africa is about as far as you get from me before you start coming back. If I can type here, and it comes out in South Africa....who needs cats?

Sluggo has touched on the Old School vs New School way of thinking, although I think he didn't intent to. He implied there was something wrong about publishing early. Only if your goal is to personally appear like a genius. Instead, the better goal is "Publish early, Publish often". That way errors get corrected by others. For stuff like this, individuals don't matter. Authors want individuals to matter. (and make a book) The cost of publishing anything is zero. So publish early, correct based on feedback. Re-publish. Simple.

I'm glad to hear that Geoff Grey is publishing a book for social benefit, as opposed to just making a buck. Unlike the rest of us, he will actually benefit society by doing so.

Sluggo faithfully reported "I had some communication with Geoff after I posted Version 1, it seems that the expected publication date is very optimistic and will probably be moved out as there is a lot more work to do." CONSPIRACY! When things move because of things we post here, there is only one explanation. The facts need to be juggled/hidden more. (edit) Actually I gotta respect the fraud scheme. You ask for people's money for a book. (pre sales). You say there's a publication date. You keep their money. When they complain, you just say you moved it out. Hey they're just Cooper bozos..who are they going to complain to, FBI? (edit) Sluggo: if you're in favor of logic, where's the logic in posting to a thread and complaining about how posting to the thread is only for bozos? or in effect.

Snow must have noticed Saskia who posted here about ten pages ago. She is from the Netherlands. Snow you gotta take those ADD meds every day so you can stay focused on one country for more than a fleeting moment. You have 493 more research subjects waiting in Iceland. You owe it to science to finish this work. 377 huh? did I post here? wait a sec, who am I here...I'm trying to find out what shoelaces those jumpers in the '95 SA exhibition used. Trivia or Evidence? Where's SchlitzNGrins when you need him? Why is there a shoelace coverup? Praise the Tina statue and Pass the Mountain Dew.

Sure, all the jumpers would be quick to say "WTF does Snowmman posting about Invictus have to do with skydiving :)" Thanks for the clips.