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"What concerns me is - surely this comes under gross negligence/incompetance?" Not for me to say, I know nothing of how a modern army of occupation should be managed. Incompetence? yes, but who's? My finger would be pointing at the Hill. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"We should work through the U.N. and inspect sites in Iraq until we find them. " Hehe, sarcasm and sardonic wit acknowledged, however its a wee bit wide of the mark. The IAEA knew where the explosives were, they specifically tasked the coalition to look after them. The coalition failed to do this, obviously..... "the explosives had been kept under seal by the IAEA until the US-led invasion of Iraq, after which point it had not been allowed to access the site. " Nice try, almost irony, but not quite. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1312925#1312925 This one? -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Yeah the Grauniad, I wondered if any of the cognoscenti might pick up on that. Aye, Private Eye is still going strong, possibly stronger than ever as Ian Hislop (editor) is now a pretty regular face on TV, "Have I Got News For You" in particular. http://www.private-eye.co.uk/ -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"I didn't pick up that it was a British paper." I did, I generally read it of a Saturday, and used to take it daily, no time these days, sigh.....That said, I also get the Telegraph (the Guardian's right wing rival) at least once a week to keep the balance, and also cos it has the best tech jobs ads each thursday. "I believe that other countries are allowed their opinions." So do I, and I believe I should tell others what they are. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Mate, PJ can rant, shout, howl his indignation as much as he likes, it doesn't matter. All he does in his little tirades is demonstrate how emotionally driven his opinion is. Ultimately he is as influential over this, as we are over his elections. Talking gun control with the forum's regular hoplophiles is like banging your head against a brick wall, they will not change their opinion, and neither will we. Okay, I've said it before in this sort of debate, lets once again consider who would carry the flag for gun legislation change in the UK, and under what banner? Labour party....Lets allow citizens to carry guns because we (the govt) cant protect them, and crime is out of control. Anyone see this happening in this present time-space continuum? Anyone? D'uh... The opposition, the right wing tories, well, nobody listens to them anymore, there probably won't be any Tory representation north of the border this time next year. PJ, and similar pro gun hoplophiles, I'm afraid your last best hope for gun legislation change is to side with ....yep.... The Liberals, they will surely understand your desire to have many guns, even to give them names and treat them like living things. They will also support the need to pretend that you are a militia and actually have an effect on defending our nations shores. The SNP and Plaid Cymru would probably support the ownership of firearms just in case we end up with a rogue government, and may postulate that we need them for this purpose. But nobody in England will vote for them. Or give it up, you're flogging a dead horse and nobody really cares about how you think we should live our lives. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Great choonz, but also far too many great one-liners to mention, a raft of cameo appearances, Princess Leia with a bazooka, and the mother of all car chases to boot. Watch it, you know you want to" Indeedy. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Och Jim, anyone picking up the Grauniad in this country knows well in advance which side of the political divide their editorials tend to lean towards. If this offends you, read the Telegraph.

Scottish, British, European, in that order. Although I do admire the English rugby team, I'd rather not admit my support for them in public.

"JACTA ALEA EST!" The river Tweed could be your Rubicon. Beware though, late licensing does not in itself make a great country . -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"Wouldn't it be more efficient to just arm the Scots and send them down to take care of the problem?" We tried that in 1745, and they gubbed us. Actually we probably gubbed ourselves, poor quality sheep, our guys were pining for the real thing. Besides, we have civilised licensing laws, eg my local is lawfully open till 1am, and later on a regular basis. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

The wee fella and my sweetie have been laid up all week with flu. I've been stay at home dad lately. Like I said, respectable and demanding. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Jamille's link and question are a bit tricky, if we were to redress the balance and catch up with the crooks, we'd need lots and lots of fake/replica/toy guns. "And I shudder to think what would happen if Skyrad and Nacmacfeegle began toting CAR15's" Its not a comforting image, is it? But I'm more of a Glock kinda guy, I don't really need the range and firepower of a CAR15, something a little more discrete would be to my taste.

God, Guns and George are all up for grabs. 'Stay at home mom' is a respectable and demanding job, no debate required. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"When you get into the left mindset anything is possible." When you get into the right wing mindset, you will be told what is and what is not possible, and you will be expected to obey. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Nope, those Britash are just idyats and giving them gunnns would be foulish. A return to pre Dunblane gun ownership would do nothing to reduce these figures, without the right to carry we would wasting our time. Pre Dunblane ban control would still require firearms to be stored separate from the ammo, in secure gun safes. Not exactly practical for self defence purposes. In order to be effective it would have to be all or nothing, and I really can't see any party voicing the opinion that we require guns because they (the govt) cannot protect us from criminals. Edit to add...personally I don't need 'em, I live in a wee village, nothing happens, not even vandalism. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

I've not been to Netheravon for about 10 years, huge DZ, its military, and if you are its a cheap place to jump. All UK DZs are here.... http://www.bpa.org.uk/dropzone/dzone.htm Should have all the contact details etc. Its not Queenstown, but very few places in the world are. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"PeacefulJefrey becames a socialist, or he has to move to Canada" There must be a third way, I can't see PJ taking kindly to either of those options. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

For easy counting, a pint is about half a litre as follows:- 1 litre= 2.113376 US pints or.... 1.759754 Imperial pints Imperial pints, gallons etc are bigger than US (freedom) pints gallons etc. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Why do the english fuck sheep on the edge of a cliff? cause it pushes back harder. Damn English have yet to discover the value of a velcro apron and a hat pin. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Imperial (suspect the same as 'Canadian') pints and fluid ounces are different as well.

Besides, life would surely be easier if they adopted litres. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

There's another way of looking at smoking bans. Given that passive smoking is real, and dangerous. Any employer who does not protect their workforce from industrial injuries caused by passive smoking may leave themselves open to future law suits. So barstaff etc may, in a few years, have the right to sue the owners of 'smoking' bars, similar to being exposed to say asbestos. Now thats scary..... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"So, what if you jump a pull-out and have a necklace with a straight closing pin?" Downwards is the correct direction for all pins to point. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"you clowns .............. americans seemed suprised on the morning of september 11 2002" Your going to get flamed, not least for getting relatively important dates wrong. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson