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If I can get no other point across but that one, that is a good start. Those screaming, We lost, Jan has to go!! need to realize there was MUCH more to this than just one person actions. I think this entire mess was mishandled by the Board, By Jan, By the Executive Committee and especially by the Lawyers. ALL share responsibility and to try focus the entire blame as some are doing on one person is wrong.

Love it. yes it is detachable. Took about 2 minutes to convert it from the standard 10 round to the detachable 30 Round Latch. Can still be top loaded with stripper clips too. I have 3 - 30 round clips. 2 Synthetic and one Metal. The synthetic are great but the springs go after while. The one I brought out this past weekend definitely had a weak spring but the Clip was about 10 year old and has had 1000`s of round run through it. I think I got my $40 worth of use out of it.

OK.. I have checked my email atleast 37 times in the past 2 minutes. NO message yet. What are you waiting on?? Hurry up!!

Maybe we can talk Apollard into posting the pictures she has from this weekend of mine. She looked so Laura Croft with my H&K APC 45 on her Hip while holding the SKS (Poor mans AK) with Synthetic Folding pistol grip stock and 30 Round Clip and Hell-fire attachment. Nothing like hot chicks holding assault rifles to make me all tingly inside.

The fact that the USPA has a GM program could also be argued as the reason the USPA Had to settle. The Fact that the BOD Voted them out (a GROUP Effort) could be argued as the reason. The Fact that there was a sitting member of the executive committee still in business with Skyride Before, during and AFTER they were kicked out could be argued as a reason. The fact that Insurance companies always want settle lawsuits could be argued as the reason we had to settle. The Anti-Trust Lawsuit was coming no matter what she said or did because the USPA had a GM program. To say that Jan is the only reason the USPA was sued I think gives her a little too much credit. Now we have been forced to accept Skyride and thier DZ`s back into the USPA, Do we also now adopt their cut throat Machiavellian ethics and kick out the one person that was trying to do the right thing? Sorry but two wrong do make a right. This idea that we lost (We didnt, We settled) so someone must hang for it is bullshit. And the fact that the person they are hanging out to dry for this is the one person that did the most to help the cause to begin with. The ENTIRE Board had a chance to vote on this action. I would say that they ALL share responsibility for the outcome of that action but in reality the only ones that were really privy to anything going on with this lawsuit was the Executive Committee. The Executive Committee has issues such as direct conflicting business interest and possibly personal vendetta against Jan. Another question that I hope the USPA will clarify soon. Who do they represent? The DZO`s? The Skydiver`s? The Manufacturers?? The Group Members??

Then why does he choose to deal with an entity like Skyride If he doesn’t need/want the money? why did he continue to be a business associate of Skyrides when the USPA BOD kicked them out for unethical business practices? Why did he continue to remain a business associate while sitting on the Board and as a member of the executive committee while that very same entity had pending litigation against the USPA?

If something unethical and most likely illegal is going on and an elected official has knowledge of it and does NOT do anything then you can get into REAL trouble. Exposing Fraud going within the organization that someone is elected to represent is protected by whistle blower statutes. In fact if the USPA does move forward with this, Jan may have a pretty good case for her own lawsuit. No organization should sit by while the members of its executive committee are knowingly doing business with an organization KNOWN to defraud the general public.

Which do you think would have hurt the USPA`s case worse if it went before a Jury? a) An Elected official with absolutely no conflicting business interests maintaining a website that Documents FACTUAL information about unethical and fraudulent business practices within Skydiving. b) A member of the Executive Committee of the USPA directly supporting the business they kicked out and continued to support them after they were kicked out and still continued to support them after they filed suit. On the one hand you have an elected official publicly documenting the reasons Skyride should be thrown out. Then you have another senior official still doing business with them. Talk about sending a confusing message to a Jury and really hurting your case. I think option b would have looked MUCH worse to a jury if this case would have made it to trial.

That is your opinion.

These things were done long before the BOD voted to throw Skyride out. As an elected official resenting Skydivers in the USPA, I think she had an OBLIGATION to get tat information out to the general public as people were being deceived by Skyride on a daily basis. At the time the BOD voted to Oust Skyride, They were fully aware of the Site that Jan ran and the post that had been made. The BOD voted to proceed anyway knowing full well the sites that Jan ran and the posts that had been made. Now to go back and say well we lost because of that so we need to throw her out is asinine. People are looking for a scapegoat. Jan is the convenient target.

I have heard this claim yet have seen NOTHING to back it up. Could you please show me the Posts that Jan supposedly made about the Skyride Issues after the Lawsuit was filed? In my opinion, the reason we lost this Lawsuit was that it was an Anti-trust matter and the USPA has a Group Membership program. This suit was lost from the beginning no matter what the EC is claiming that Jan did (Which no one has yet shown). And we didn’t loose this lawsuit. This lawsuit was settled before the discovery phase was even completed. I believe that the insurance company decided it would be cheaper to settle than to fight. That is what insurance companies almost always try to do. That is exactly what Skyride says when people start complaining about their unethical practices. I guess the questions is now that we have been forced to let them back in, Do we want to adopt their business ethics (or lack thereof) too?

No. We did not get the Ash Dive Done. With Snow and Ice plus Freezing temperatures on Saturday and although they did get a few loads up on Sunday, Brandy decided that we would try when conditions were better and more people could be there. I believe that Brandy has decided that we will try again in March during the GOOD VIBES Boogie (Yea, THAT Good Vibes Boogie which is moving to the FARM this year)

In that case if I come out there, You should not wear ANYTHING at all till that outfit is found! And Yes, Even if you do find it before I get there.. A Spanking is still in order for loosing it in the first place.

So.... Uhhh.. How YOU doin??

And dont forget the option for I lick hers while she licks mine!! That is the bestest option of all.

Dont make me come out there and spank you young lady!!

Around me, that rule is NOT negotiable!!

I am lazy. I would much prefer someone else do it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I avoid trouble at all costs. 3 rules to a happy life for all men.. #1) No Redheads (They will rip your heart out and eat it for a snack just for fun.. Evil creatures I tell you!!) #2) No Strippers (Almost as much trouble as Redheads) #3) No Women from Alabama (They make Redheaded Strippers seem almost sane)

yep. All trouble. (But sometimes getting into trouble can be Soooo Much fun.)

RULE #1 - No Redheads!! (Of course Rule #1 is my absolute favorite rule to break occasionally.. Just to remind myself why I made that rule to begin with.) Redheads = Trouble.

What exactly did this cost the USPA? Anyone Know? I strongly suspect that they only thing the USPA paid out of pocket for this entire fiasco was the deductible on their liability insurance policy. If that cost was spread among all out member it would probably be less than a very cheap cup of instant coffee. Once again.. It is easy to say that this was Jans fault but the reality is the REAL reason we had to settle was because the USPA created the Group membership program in the first place making us appear to be a Trade organization instead of a Member organization. I challenge ANYONE to find a single post from Jan on the Skyride issues after the lawsuit was filed. Good Luck. As for the Suit.. It NEVER went to Trail in fact in never even completed the discovery phase. People saying that it was Jans fault.. Tell me exactly what she did to cause this and when did it happen? I can say with confidence that what caused this was the USPA created a Group Membership program that made them look like a trade organization. Anything after that is irrelevant. We were doomed to failure from that point forward no matter what else happened. I also believe that the EC is trying to use Jan as a scapegoat and blame her for their own mishandling of this issue. Want to make sure this doesn’t happen again?? Scrap the GM program and have the USPA go back to representing the general membership.

So was the real root cause of us getting screwed The GM program or Jans actions? Which came first? The reality is this motion should fail if RDs and NDs I have talked to told me the truth about their feelings. Enough have said they do not feel that there is cause to impeach her that there is no way the 2/3 majority will be reached. Unless the executive committee pulls some stunt that excludes voting members (Such as calling for the vote before everyone arrives). Politics can get real sleazy like that sometimes. So if this is actually handled above board, It is a waste of time. I just hope that if there is a Vote, the general membership gets a chance to find out how their representatives voted.

The "Best" Brandy?? I dont know about all that. I mean she alright for a white Brandy and all.. But the BEST?? Come on now.

Hey.. Did you know it is against the law for females to Skydive on Sunday in Flori.... Oh wait.. Here comes officer Lutz with the repost police. Gotta run.