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Not when that website contains factual information about a company that is defrauding the general public and members of organization that she represents. In fact that website could be seen as PROTECTING the marketplace from a predatory and fraudulent company that is damaging the free market place. Elected officials have an OBLIGATION to inform the membership and general public about these things. The fact that many Skydiving center exist and operate outside of the USPA could be argued by a COMPETENT attorney as proof that anti-trust is not relevant. Not when the information presented is factual. That is because the USPA made the mistake of creating the Group Membership program to begin with making them appear to some as a Trade organization. A true root cause analysis of why we may have been forced to settle could be that we have a group membership program in the first place. Are we a trade organization or are we a member organization? Who does the USPA really represent? The fact that this issue is questionable may be the REAL reason we were forced to settle. And with that comes the responsibility to protect the members of the organization that you represent and the general public. Notifying the general Public about factual information should be part of ANY elected officials responsibilities. It is very easy to point fingers, blame Jan and let her take the fall for this but the reality is that there are MANY reasons we got screwed. Jan fulfilling her obligations to her constituency and the general public is the least of the reasons in my opinion.

The BOD Voted Skyride out, The Executive Committee settled with them and let them back in.. One last time I ask.. 1) What actions of Jans caused us to have to settle? No one really knows. No one can say. Just that that is what the EC is implying. 2) Was that decision made on sound legal Advise? 3) doesn’t it bother anyone else that the EC that kept everything secret about this lawsuit while it was going on and then settled it with out consulting with the BOD and/or the general membership? 4) Does anyone else see the impropriety in the EC that is handling this matter is made up of Skyride supporters and business associates?

And they all can't read or spell so it makes it even easier!!!!! Hey. and a few of them still have most of thier own teeth!!

They tried that. They got sued. What Good name?? The name of a Business that there are well documented cases of defrauding the general public for many years? How do ignore the fact that members of the Executive Committee are supporters of and business associates of the group they settled with? If there is any impropriety here.. That is IT!!

When there are Wrongs being committed. Does holding a public office mean you should ignore those wrongs? Can you state exactly which Rules she violated and how she violated them? Holding Public seat and working to shut down a business that is defrauding the general public and members of the organization that you represent is NOT against any rules that I am aware of. In fact it should be expected of anyone holding office. You still have not addressed the Clear conflict of interest with the executive Committee members being supporters of and business associates with Skyride. Thus far we only have the implication from them that the USPA had to settle with due to Jans actions. No one has said what it was she did. The accusation she caused the settlement is coming from a highly questionable source that has a clear conflict of interest.

My Huge Deck got repo`ed. Now I have small Pallet in front of the door that I pretend is a Deck. I got deck envy something fierce now.

OK.. Here is the secret.. First. Find a Sympathetic Girl and Bribe her to start spreading the rumor that you Hung like a Horse and know what to do with it!! Second.. Alcohol. Lots of Alcohol. Third.. Don’t show any interest in them at all. (They cant stand that!!) Fourth.. Always make sure you hang out girls much prettier than the one you really want. Women are fiercely competitive and will want to prove their prowess by taking you away from the hotter chick. Fifth.. More alcohol. Got it?? Good!! No go get em. (BTW, None of this has ever worked for me, but you may have better luck.)

I take issue with that statement. I know I have never met Jan. There is no way I could consider her a friend other than I have read what she has written, I seen what she has done for the USPA and agree with most of what I have read. The idea that Jan caused the USPA to have to settle with Skyride is what the Executive Committee has implied. That brings up a lot of questions.. 1) Are they telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the Truth? 2) Did the USPA act on sound legal advise? 3) Since the Executive Committee is the ONLY ones that know the details of the settlement and the reasons that settlement was made, How are we supposed to just take their word for it? 4) Does anyone on the Executive Committee have a personal vendetta against Jan? Are they just using her as a scapegoat for their own bungling of this issue? 5) Does the fact that members of the Executive Committee are supporters and business associates of Skyride not raise questions for anyone else? 6) Specifically, What was it she did that caused us to have to settle? It is easy to sit back and take the Executive Committee at their word that Jan was why we had to settle but just saying that doesn’t make it true. (doesn’t mean it is not either but as usual the Executive Committee doesn’t bother to tell us (the general Membership) anything. Just keep us in the dark and feed us shit. At least I feel Confident that Jan would say exactly what she thought.

I have a story.. Pure fiction.. Lets say there an organization.. This organizations purpose is supposed to be to represent the interests of their members. This organization elects officials to represent their interests.. Those elected officials include both National Officials and Regional Officials. Those officials elect a super group of Executive Officials. Now once these Executive Officials get into power.. They find they like POWER!! They finally get to the point that they don’t even want to talk to the Regional Officials and National Officials much less the Members of the organization. But that is OK because the members are notoriously apathetic to what the organization does. Then after several years of a portion of the organization complaining about one member, they finally cant ignore it any longer and are forced into actually **Gasp** Doing something!! But see.. The executive Group really Likes these guys that the membership and Regional and National officials want thrown out. In fact at least one or more of the Executive Group is a business partner with these guys that everyone else wants thrown out. Others are just Buddy, Buddy with them. So what could they Do?? Hey.. as the all powerful executive committee.. They would be the only ones privy to any legal proceedings. They could keep the Regional and National Directors completely in the dark about what was going on and tell them anything they wanted. OK.. Let the group throw them out and then when the Bad guys files a Law suit, The all powerful executive committee will be the only ones that really knows what is happening with it. Oh.. And then there is this one national official that is really a problem. She actually cares about the "Members". Something will have to done about that too!! Now all they have to do is let things go for a while and then convince everyone that the "Insurance Company" will not cover them if it goes to trial because that rabble-rouser National Director said some things. So then they get to settle the lawsuit, Pay off their Buddies (And maybe even get a little Bonus back from their business partners for letting them back in) and nobody will know because no one can discuss the case. Then the super mega bonus.. They can then Setup the person they hate most to take the fall for the whole thing. Impeach them; Kick that trouble maker out of office for questioning their authority (Of course saying that it was because that rabble rousers actions caused them to have to settle the lawsuit). And the double mega super extra Bonus is that the vocal minority that still feels the organization should be representing the members will get pissed off and quit too!! Absolutely Beautiful!! and then Golden ones can go back to doing whatever they want without ever having to listen to those pathetic "Members". (Of course when they are not out cashing checks (remember.. They are Business partners with the guys that everyone wanted kicked out) from their Buddies that the Members wanted kicked out to begin with.) What a Beautiful Plan. I am sure glad that none of this is true. Sure would make a good Book or made for TV movie though. With the Hollywood writers on strike, Think I might could sell the idea to a studio?

I think you overestimate this number by at least 2-3!!

What's that? Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games. WoW = Worlds of Warcraft. Many of us here play (Or atleast used to Play) RTS (Rule the seas).

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Am I allowed to agree with this?

It is strange that I own 3 Campers at the DZ right now and still have trouble finding a warm place to crash sometimes.

Sorry about that. So I take it the therapy did not help? Actually I heard the only real Cure for such Memories is to go to Someplace called The Farm and run circles around the Pond in the same Blue Thong till the memories are erased. works best if the person in the original memory is there to watch!

And that is NOT the case the USPA. If you want to Skydive, you MUST do business with them. Most of us have no choice in this matter. Posting here will surly do no good at all. Going to the meeting will not help because they will dismiss the meeting for general membership. No Quorum will be present. Emails to the Executive Committee will just be ignored. Phone calls do not have to be answered. What could you possibly do?? You were not even a Golden Knight so you could never be one of the real leaders. You are just one Vote. They don’t care. Suck it up, Bend over and let them do as they please or quit skydiving. Those are pretty much the choices, Right? (And for the record, I am referring to the Executive Committee. I think the BOD in general DOES care about Skydivers and tries to do the best they can for the most part.)

Can I Buy you a drink or 10??

Tequila makes my Clothes fall off!! (I Know.. Scary thought!!) But I dont think too much makes me "Mean". Unless you consider my scrawny white ass on display as MEAN.

I will gather ALL Publicly available Documents and find a way to post them. It may take a little time but I will get them up soon as possible. Hopefully before this weekend.

Thank you for taking a stand.

Then drop your USPA Membership and see if you find a place that will let you Jump. Good Luck with that.

We did not LOOSE the lawsuit. We settled the lawsuit. BIG Difference!! While the terms that we settled on are unknown, It is known that the BOD and General Membership had absolutely NO SAY in the decision to settle. It is my understanding that decision was made by the Executive Committee. You Know the same Executive Committee that has members with DIRECT business ties with the plaintiff they are settling with. As in the Plaintiff sends them Business and PAYS them. Nothing at all.. But I don’t see their names on the agenda for impeachment. Jan spoke for MANY of us. Her outspoken stance on Skyride was a vocalization of what a LARGE portion of the general membership felt. We didn’t Loose, We settled. Just because a bunch of chicken shit lawyers decided it would be cheaper to settle than it would be to stand up for what is right doesn’t mean that Kicking a Lying, Cheating, Thieving organization such as Skyride (And I will gladly back these accusation up with sworn statements from Skyride victims) out of the USPA was not the right thing to do. Was it mishandled?? Absolutely!! They got back in didn’t they. But what do you expect when Members of the Executive Committee are in Business with them.

If the weather is perfect, The ash dive will be at Sunset. Otherwise I think we will get it up while whenever we can. Brandy will of course be the one making the decision. In all reality, The forcast for Saturday is not promising. Current forcast is Rain and Snow. Sunday is looking alot better. We will alll still be there both days though. Come out and say hello and have a drink with us even if we are not able to get the Ash Dive up till sunday.

And that is 10 to 15 more than was there the last time. Its a start.

Funny thing is that Skyride already did that. They called it the National Skydiving association. The insurance is the key. That is why we are currently locked into the USPA. Without that insurance, You can forget about Jumping at the vast majority of Dropzones in the US. Joining the USPA is the only way to get that insurance.