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Everything posted by skyjack71
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PROBLEM: The FBI isn't going to provide the chute cord for analysis...against the knife. There are several knifes but this one got my attention. First time I had looked at them since I got the DNA ready for the FBI in March of 2003 - I had asked about the knives at that time and then again to Carr in the last few months. They are hanging out there on that darn tie - and I do mean hanging. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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The piece that is in there is small - it is so dirty I cannot see color. I did not dig it back out but it would not be as wide as I think the cord is - it would be like one of the strands - but this strand is made up of more than one piece twined around. The fragment is about 1/4 in long. This was a fairly large knife with open space - but all the same it was a pocket knife - but more than a pocket knife - frankly I don't know what kind of knife it is - I never saw one like it. Before I offer to let the FBI cut cord with the different knives I had to see if any of them matched the cut cords - but they weren't interested. Since they have their compromised DNA on a tie that the stewardess never said he was wearing - they are not going to do a darn thing. QUESTION: In a court of law - if the chain of possession on DNA items from a single crime was compromised - resulting in the loss of the most valued DNA evidence would that not throw out the DNA for the one item that they maintained possession of. There was an FBI agent who maintained that McCoy was Cooper and claimed to have shown the tie and "tac" to his family and was told it belonged to McCoy. By the way the widow did not live in WA. so his FBI agent would have had to have possession of the evidence. This FBI agent and his writer were sued by Mrs. McCoy and they settled out of court. The tie was the main contentions of the lawsuit besides claiming the the wife aided her husband. This was an unscrupulous FBI agent - if he could write a book with untruths - could he not have taken the cigarette butts and have swapped out the tie. Now - what if this FBI agent also took the cigarette butts - ??????? There is just too much at stake - he wants to go down in history as the man who killed Cooper. Please note that Agent CARR has never mentioned the butts in the media. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Do you know how long the FBI kept things I sent before and then what the contented? - Well, I held onto somethings. This knife is very old and it has been in a plastic bag since I found it in his belongings...I do not know how to take a picture where anyone could see the details - and there is no way of knowing if it is chute cord without an analysis. There is a fragment of a cord in the knife - I don't know what kind of cord, but it is very dirty - It appears that the knife may have been buried with the money due to the condition...but it could just be an old knife he found. If someone knows a photographer in my area who can photograph this knife without touching it and then taking the piece of cord out with a pair of tweezers (which I have done and then put it back in place). This would have to be done infront witnesses so the FBI could never cry - foul. I have told CARR that I had a knife that may have been used to cut the cords and could they match the cuts...he NEVER replied to that statement. The FBI is not interested in anything I say...I just don't know why I bother to even try. I got another phone call from the guy who hounded me in the past...he was nicer than before but I stlll think he is Catcher. No one, but Catcher could be dumb enough to ask the question he did in reply to an email I sent to him. It was NOT the reply of an Attorney which he claims to be. I checked this many out yrs ago - and found no attorney by the name he provided. He lives in WA and yet claims NO knowledge of the accusations against Mayfield. Do the rest of you think I am dumb enough to fall for that one? HARDLY! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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HOW CAN YOU CHANGE FACTS: Carr only stated a variance because the money being found did not support the original landing zone - IT WAS NOT A FACT. Do you actually think that the FBI spent all of that money for the tests and the maps and calulating a landing zone based on a 10 minute variance? AS PER the teletype the oscilation occured at 8:12 - The FBI testing showed that the pump and the oscillation concured due to the aft stairs movement from the pressure of Coopers weight being released. NO evidence has been presented to suggest that the original landing Zone as calculated by NW and the FBI is anything but accurate....I can understand a 2 minute variance but 10 minutes - that is preposterous...and laughable - I am not a pilot or a jumper but I know enough to think a 10 minute variance is creating a story of fiction...before we know it Cooper will have landed at Lake Pyramid. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Isn't this where someone says "Bingo"? I am not dead yet and I have something I am working on - I am getting that tie - tied down. Because some of the information I provided the investigator was not correct, I had to back-up. Busy getting that done --- I haven't given up --- I know he was Cooper and some way some how I will prove it. Wonder if the FBI is interested in an old knife that has some cord stuck in it - looks like parachute cord and it is real dirty? Where-ever he kept that knife it was there for a long time collecting dirt. There were some things I am glad I did not let the FBI have. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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You and others did not search far enough and there are individuals posting here that feel they have to discredit me to prove their own theory. (I am not out there trying to discredit them.) For the record I have explained this many times --- and will do so one last time. Perhaps you who do not understand kidney disease and its' progression and history. In 1971 Duane Weber was told that he had a kidney disease. His mother had died on the rudimentary machines of the 50's and this is not how he wanted to die. Little was know about kidney disease in 1971 - they would later find (yrs. later) that the kind of kidney disease he had went in stages depending on how one took care of themselves. In 1971 - most people did not survive long term with kidney disease after being placed on the machine - 2 yrs to 5 ys max. The equipment was not the equipment they have today - even with the technology of today it is debilitating and death usually results in 5 yrs or so - the machine cannot do what the kidneys do without damaging the body. Duane was on the machine for the last 5 yrs of his life - you do not want to know how they suffer even today in 2008. In 1971 he was drinking, smoking and eating everything he shouldn't - his blood pressure skyrocketed - this is how they found the disease. In 1971 they didn't know what they know about the different forms of the disease - Duane had one of the slower forms called polycystic which moves in stages and these stages advance according to the life style. Unfortunately they lumped it all together in 1971 - the Doctors told their patients - "Your kidneys are failing and you are looking at a kidney machine in couple of yrs." THINK! 1971 - and the Dr. makes that statement to you. Your mother died on the machine and back then it wasn't 3 or 4 hours - 3 times a wk. It was more hours and more times a wk. What would have been your state of mind? You are in good physical health, strong swimmer, participate in very physical activities - are you ready to die within 5 yrs one of the worst deaths known to man? Put yourself in the place of this man in 1971. Are you re-thinking everything you have done with your life - that 17 yrs of your life was spent in prison? What do you have to show for your life? FOR GOD's SAKE - listen to me and think. WHAT would YOU DO? - I do not want to hear one more word about his health. I also do not want to be hounded about our neighbor of 1984 who just happened to be a jumper or the fact that he happened to know where McCoy was killed in Va. The individuals who take these things and make repetivite posts about something so mundane - are not interested in finding out who Cooper was. These individuals need to be productive - such as contacting the co-pilot - find out the exact time of the pressure change, although it has been recorded over and over in books and news articles that they said he jumped at 8:12/8:13 - Spend your time looking this up. The crew looked at their own watch and instruments, yet there are those who for their own benefit refuse to believe that - now it is when it was recorded, etc. All the speculating and guessing the time is futile.
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The placard could have flown for miles in the wind and it is very likely that it did come off during the flight with the door down - due to many reasons. It has never been proven that the money found in the Columbia was in the bag...it was in a protected place and that was not in the water in a bag..the money would not have been in the condition it was in if it had been in the bottom of the Columbia for 9 yrs in a canvas bag. Use some common sense here folks: The canvas bag was not a real thick canvas - it did not have the protective coatings on it such as the canvas used for tents. It was 1971 not 2001!
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BULL! You cannot change facts - the pilot and co-pilot were firm on the time Cooper jumped. The money being found in the Columbia - can be explained in other ways such as the money being deposited there after 1975. The geologist with his hands demonstrated the distance between the surface and the layer in the sand. In those pictures you will see the very dark layer - that is the layer from 1974. The dirt his feet are on were from about 71 if the sand deposits per year were consistent from 71-79. There is absolutely no chance that money got into that river before 1975. This is after the Flood also. Pictures speak very loudly and these pictures speak volumes. If you are a geologist - and have access to the pictures and this man's research then you have the right to dispute the facts. Until then the geologist findings stand. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Obviously no one understands this illness - in those days they knew very little about kidney disease and no place has it be stated that he had MONTH to lives. I would like to know the source of that information. He was a very strong swimmer and physically fit at that time. Please do not state things like this unless you know the facts. You do not know what kind of training Duane had - we do not know all of his background...this man was not your usual person - ask anyone who knew him. He was secretive - and evasive - perhaps we will never know the truth about him - but, I have seen him in action and I know even yrs. later how strong and resilent he was.
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In a book Duane had taken from the local library he drew a circle with a pencil and just out from that wrote the name Toutle. I had someone look at this and they believe it is Duane's hand writing. The placard was found near a logging road in an area that is described as being " six flying minutes" from where Cooper was believed to have jumped. This was found in November of 1978. The FBI did verify it came from the N.W. flight. (this information is from the book Norjak). Something I would love for someone to verify is - Was there a cemetery near where the placard was found? I have a reason for asking this and being curious because Duane pointed in that direction when we were going N. on I-5 and said there was an OLD cementery near Toutle (in 1979).
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I do not know how the time line keeps changing, but he jumped no earlier than 8:13 - this was from the crew and the test from the sled. The fluctuation in the cabin pressure was believed to be Cooper exiting from the craft. With the test that was done in 1972 releasing a sled - the departure of the weight made the stair spring shut. This movement of the stair spring caused the same fluctuation in cabin pressure. (note - stair spring shut - this does not mean that the aftstairs closed only - from what I have been able to understand about the stairway is that there are two sets of stairs - a lower part goes down below this - is this not what they mean by the stair spring shut.?) No other test have been done - so how and who changed the data. Under what test and who did the changing. Re-evalutate - but nothing changes the facts. WHO did this re-assessement in the last 5 yrs and what was it based on.The FBI has done no further testing with the aircraft and the Pilot and Co-pilot did not make a mistake on their time of the pressure change...Go talk to the co-pilot - he is the only one left alive - and he is not changing his story. What may have happened is someone has taken the files and made their own interpretation of these files without so much as a phone call to the individuals involved and not even to the agent of record in 1971. Information has been released and this information gets changed everytime it passes thru the hands of others - a time line is a time line. The instruments indicated the pressure change and the pilot and co-pilot recorded the time of the pressure change - this does not have anything to do with when someone on the ground recorded it. The unknown factors can fluctuate - how long Cooper was in freefall before pulling the cord and the speed and direction of the wind. Use that information and where does it put Cooper's landing zone. I know that you guys are using a 2 minute variance and for speculation that is okay. What I do want to know is WHO did this re-evaluation in the last 5 yrs. Those who were involved do not know anything about this re-evaluation.
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Great Posts from some very intelligent individuals..I feel like a fifth grade student in a college classroom. Overwhelmed, but the humor that went with it was absolutely the greatest - I am sitting here laughing after reading these posts. Thank You. Low_pull, PLEASE get off of the subject of Chuck. I will say one more time, Duane did not meet him until "84 and he was all of 30 yrs old. You remind me of an antagonistic overbearing poster called DBCooperCatcher from the Unsolved Mysteries forum, because you post like him and your PM's use the same syntax and typing style. Catcher was - the man who has accused one individual of being Cooper after he spent endless months in a forum saying McCoy was Cooper. His posts were endless gibberish contributing nonething of value and being an antagonist was his only accomplishment. He became the worm in the apple ...and you know what was done with the apple? It got tossed in the garbage.
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Then the flight proceeds to the Battle Ground VORTAC (BTG) where it turns back right 24 deg. Quote What is Battle Ground VORTAC....??????????? I have seen this used in this forum but I do not have a clue what it is.
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[reply Jo, Were Duane and McCoy a team? Was "Chuck " tied to the team? Chuck was from VA ow W VA too How can anyone get that statement out of the following PRIVATE EMAIL.. ........................ no possible connection?? open your eyes ==================================== Please don't take this any further - I have learned my lesson not to think out loud or with my fingers. Chuck was a young man, Duane met when we moved to Virginia (neighbors) - I simply was interested in finding this man to see if any conversations they had in 1984 might help me out. If you have a personal reason to try to connect Duane to McCoy do it on your own....I can definitely tell you there was NO CONNECTION. His statement about feeling responsible for someone elses death - I do not even know if that was connected to any of this......................... Maybe it was when he and XXXXX pushed a large boulder down a hill on to the highway in the path of a car -- in the early 40's - He never told me if the boulder hit the car or if anyone got hurt! So you see his being responsible for someone else's death could be multiple - he did spend 17 yrs in prison -? END OF SUBJECT - Dead, Okay. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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He had a good set-up in 1978 and later on he got a better one...but we traveled almost every week from Ft.Collins, CO to Jasper and Gillett and Cheyenne. Got caught in a few white-outs, but he kept the car equipped enough to survive if we got stranded. Butane cannisters, blankets, large sleeping bag, juices, and canned goods...of course the usual signs to put on top of your car...one item most never carry - a spare battery in a case...not as big as a car battery... Traveling WY - he talked about Montana and Idaho -Coeur de Alene. When we were offered the opportunity to work Spokane he refused to even go visit - because it was too close to this other place. I have often thought this might have a connection to the mother of his daug...I never sound either one. He spoke of Bitteroot - in that same conversation. Whatever it was in Coeur de Alene he was not going to go there nor was he going to work Spokane or anywhere near there. He was very familiar with WA and OR - for a man who according to the FBI didn't even spend time in jail there (they would later refute that statement) he sure knew the area. I noted to Ckret that there was an alias on Duane's SanQuentin and Folsom records - Wayne Webber and Wayne Weber. SO prior to 1951 Duane was this other guy. Some of the yrs between 1944 and 1951 I were spent in those areas, but the FBI won't even look at it. I believe the ranger training and exposure to jumpers was in that time frame. They may have been smoke jumpers or drug runners or mafia connected...but I know that the link lies there in that span of yrs. Could run an ad in the papers - but who would remember that young feller from those yrs - most would be senile or dead...dumb idea. I have made some phone calls and sent out emails...to the forestry divisions...no one wants to search old records. Way more information that anyone wants to know. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you get a connection to McCoy out of that? I was remembering things from our past - anything he may have said to me that even remotely could be connected and you take and make my WORDS into what they are not .
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How can anyone get that statement out of the following PRIVATE EMAIL.. My edited private email to Low_pull. ===================================== "I had noted that you gave no name in the profile, but your answers in the Cooper site where very logical and to the point...the site has more or less fizzled lately. Aren't you supposed to be in Australia...Chuck? I just gave you a name - are you a Chuck. Kidding, but that name is on my mind lately - a man I whose name I do not remember just his first name and I have a picture of him - he was a skydiver.....Duane had access to his home on more than one occasion. I don't know where I am going here - the things Duane told me were prior to 1983 when we first met this man - so that would not make sense. I guess I would like to find this man again and ask him if he by chance had any suspicions about Duane in any way what-so-ever...like conversations Duane had with him and another neighbor...about jumping and the war...both WW2 and Viet Nam. If they thought he was a Bull Shitter or if there was anything that stood out about him that they felt unusual. This Chuck - his wife was also a jumper and the lived in Virgina Bch, VA - cannot remember the last name...his wife was blond and very petite. How would I go about finding them...I guess I just can't let this die - somewhere there is an answer? ------------------------------------------------------------ I edited out part of this as it was not meant to be posted in PUBLIC. I also deleted a paragraph and part of another paragraph -- I was trying to think my way thru a memory. ----------------------------------------------------------- More of the PM as I wrote it: "This thing is literally driving me crazy - it has consumed my life - I need to find a way to let go of it. Maybe the only way I am going to do that is to go to WA and do what I have said I was going to do - bury him there...it seems appropriate now...a with it try to leave him behind and to leave this crazy search that he embarked me upon behind. It is my fault for not understanding what he was trying to tell me and not keeping the things that I got rid of - whatever was in that van was the clue I needed - he was specific in tell me there was something in that van - but he didn't tell me where it was. I know I looked where the man who bought it said he found the wallet - that tell me that there was something else and that he removed it - maybe a few of the bills." ------------------------------------------------------------ I never indicated that this person was in anyway involved in anything. He was just a neighbor - nice neigbors and he and his wife were skydivers...I was thinking on paper like I always do." I trust people and when I talk to others by PM - they know I am thinking with my fingers. It is how I survive with all of this stuff in my head.... BUT, please don't make something of it that it is not intended to be. Copyright ©2008 by Jo Weber
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This bantering made me remember something about Duane that I had forgot - are you sure you Guys didn't know him? All of this mine is bigger than yours - made me chuckle with this memory. 'Worlds Greatest Jock Ball Carrier" - not sure if I am remembering that correctly since I considered it distasteful at the time. He was bantering this same way with someone on the CB - regarding this handle. Strange --- the things that trigger a memory. I wonder if I will ever forget the things he told me and be able to let them go. Because I didn't understand what he was telling me I didn't keep the things I should have kept....nor did I search that van like I should have. I was trying to remember the number of times that Cooper may have entered the conversation...over a 17 yr period of time. Less than a handful and one being the remark "That's where Cooper walked out of the woods". A second time was when I saw an article in the newpaper one morning after the money was found in 1980. Newpaper got carried with him that morning ...a wk or two later he makes weekday arrangements to go out socializing on the night they were going to feature Cooper in a program. The third time was in Va. when he showed me where Richard McCoy died - and who he was. When I think back on that - it was very Odd that he even told me that and I am not sure he mentioned Cooper in that conversation. In that same time span one night with a few too many - he cried (the only time in my life I saw him cry) - he was sad - he was the reason another man was dead...but never offered an explanation. The fourth time is when he said "I'm Dan Cooper" 11 days before he died. Frankly I can't remember the other time - or if there was one. I was aware of who Cooper was and I remember the article in the paper from 1971, but I am not really sure that he and I ever discussed Cooper beyond the above. That leaves me one time that I may have forgotten about - If he had talked about Cooper a lot or one to pull cruel jokes - It would be easy to walk away. I am still exploring a couple of things in regards to the tie and the area in WA where the tower and shed was...but beyond that - it is a dead end. Copyright © 2008 by Jo Weber
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Life's ups and downs ----- Found out today that the site of the towers is now developed - homes with lots of land behind them - what we would call mini-farms or ranchettes in FL. An area above the site looked to me like a golf course. Sluggo supplied the maps by way of computer - and I feel sure we had the right area of the towers. I have been been told that this area was not part of the National Forest, but privately owned land. I am able to bring it down to around (to be safe) 200 acres - that to me is a small farm - I was raised on acreage that exceed that. I was there in 1979 - that was 29 yrs ago. This is what I actually expected just remembering what happened to the farms where I was raised. What was a farm is now very nice homes fronting the hwy with very large lots, a Hampton Inn, etc. They call this progress, but explains why new furniture is made of something that only resembles wood. hoping that I can at least verify the towers where there in 1971 and at least one of them removed by 1979. I could tract the ownership of the property, but do not see what purpose this would server - other than curiosity. Maybe Bernie owned it. AND SO - life goes on. I don't know how much more I can do - other than a witness coming forward and putting him on the plane. I am able to track him from this point to the "hideouts" and back to the Columbia. Exactly where he landed is unknown to me - because the walked thru the woods to this tower and shed...but from where? What did he bury behind the shed and did he retrieve it - because of what he said "I buried something behind a shed that used to be there at one time" - this to me indicates he retrieved whatever it was. Copyright 2008 by Jo Weber Hey Bernie - how did you get a copyright icon? Not that it protects anything - Like Airtwardo said - that is why he ownes a dictionary - then he ownes all the words in it. By the way I am Not Writing a Book, but you might be D.B. Cooper.
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I have been told he is as you say "mining this forum for material" and I am sure glad to hear it won't make the best seller list. None of the Cooper books have ever done well at all - most of them are quiet pricey as out-of-print editions. Too, bad the authors aren't making money on some of those prices. Norjak is going for $124 on one site.
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[reply The autopilot would be flying, sometimes he goes by the name of IRON MIKE.
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Who would have been flying the plane? 377, for one of the smartest guys here that was the dumbest thing anyone could say...how many did you have to drink tonight? I am usually the one to open mouth and insert foot
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Because - by the next morning when they first started looking....he was below the seach area they were concentrating on. Using the chute like a rain coat was just a throw out - /speculation. One thing for sure he didn't leave it where he landed and that is a fact....why leave a trail? The FBI had no idea Cooper was going right back at them. You are right he did not hit his target area - that is a given from the things the told me and showed me. By the way we have a MOLE in the thread who is using anything I write for his own benefit - (by the way is that legal)? I am calling some individuals I know in WA. and the Forestry Dept. tomorrow. Today I had Dr.s appts. and rightt now I have to go leave - think I am going to the ER.
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A cabin on the Columbia - a car parked in an area that he eventually made his way back to - several days later....but then he maybe he just left it. With the dye washed out of his hair and pair of coveralls such as a mechanic or farmer would wear - he would never have been noticed. THe chuter provide some warmth, but he kept moving that first night - he had to push it. A shed and the chute - but then he had to bury the chute. Wonder what forest ranger had his coveralls missing when he went out on the next dig? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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There was a cabin on the Columbia - owned by an individual who didn't live there. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber