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I don't need anything on the Columbia - but I know I need to go to WA. or find authorities and people who can be trusted to let me direct them to the place -with cameras relaying back to me I will know when we find the place...somehow this should be able to be set up...I cannot fly right now except at very low altitudes and I have very serious tests scheduled that have to be done. None of this will prove that Duane is Cooper unless we find some evidence of whatever he buried there. I found some old black and white copied totography maps I had, but no details of roads or terrain. I estimate he had about 2 miles to walk from one landmark and much further to reach the other points all with a landmarks. Unbelievable he was able to do this and the FBI not spot him - if I pinpoint it on a map then someone with the forestry dept records should be able to tell us what was there in 1979 and 1971. Also - when was the tower taken out as it wasn't there in 1979. This is going to answer a LOT of question. I can't explain the FBI's DNA and fingerprint expertise - but my Gut told me that no man would fabricate this on his deathbed and have told another person many things over a period of yrs that in themselves meant nothing at all but that the sum total of these is the story of Dan Cooper. My desperate prayers where heard on this 11th day of Feb 2008. I have come from the lowest point in my life early this evening to the realization that nothing is impossible with God. When I went so low today was after a phone call from the man who has badgered me in the past - and my therapy after my talk with God was to write to Tina - a letter that I would never mail...and then this map shows up tonight - God does answer prayers. I realize that we may find nothing - but I will know I stayed the course and did my best.

I felt it was not safe to leave this post up - so I deleted it - GOD why am I sick I need to go to WA. now - I just hope the area I pinpointed with in a 10 mile area is not developed - afraid to say too much on line because a man called me today who is ruthless and he keeps trying to get me to tell him how to find Tina - he lies to me in every breath -- he bugged me in 2003 and suddenly calls out of the blue again - said this was the number he called - got news I didn't use this number until 6 months ago when I let you guy have it - so he is postng here. On the phone he told me he was an attorney - - I don't believe that for one moment. Before when I checked him out he was using a calling card and the address he gave me was not correct. I did find out his home number thru an investigator and left him a message at his home...never heard from him again until today. He acted like he was unaware of Mayfield - that is baloney - how can you live in that area and not be aware of Mayfield? I believe I know now which poster he is...and I told him lots in a pm - need to learn when to shut my mouth - right. Obviously this man will stoop to anything including badgering a girl who doesn't want to talk to the media - perhaps he needs to watch the new clip from 1971 when Tina got off that plane - let me assure you she was traumatized. The last thing she need is someone like him in her face.

[replyATTENTION JUMPERS: Do you know this name - would have been born prior to 1924. FRANK ROACH. or J. R. ROACH Roach, Horan and Weber - are connected. Mr. FBI are you listening? Should this site be trashed for any reason what-so- ever - -------DROPZONE participants - I still need your help. You can direct the questions or any information you think might help me to Homes4ubyjo@aol.com

I recieved an email or pm from someone in the forum stating they were familiar with Frank Roach...I was feeling poorly and was going to answer it another time. Please recontact me..........

I called Carr to see if he was reading the thread - he stated that he had not He stated he can only provide information from the file and he is not actively investigating the case. He again asked me to send what I had on Duane in the way of records - which I am doing. But, he also told me that the only way I can prove Duane was Cooper is to put him on the plane...I asked how him how I am supposed to do that. His reply - ticket or witness. There is only one way for me to get a witness - that is to confront Tina and Florence myself with the correct photos - age appropriate. I have asked myself - how I could get them to view photos without actually intruding myself into their lives - and there is no way..I would think this to be the job of the FBI. I only know one other way to put Duane on that plane . We are aware that more conversation took place between Duane and the Stewardess than we originally thought - such as the grudge question.

Two of us heard the comment - we differ on the amount, but not the wording..."I put $173,000 (she says $178,000) in a bucket and I couldn't find the bucket." -------------------------------------------------------- That and not This and it is dead on. --------------------------------------------------------- Even with the examples my mind is just not here tonight - I know he had a sense for humor. He would joking say "I got something famous named after me"..he started saying this in 1990 - After his treatment with the dialysis machine started. He said things like " Like sitting in a bowl of sugar" referring to the white sands of Destin. When he wanted me to hurry - "Let's get on down the road, Jo". I don't know if this is what you are looking for but the best I can do tonight. ----------------------------------------------------------- My conversation with Carr did not leave me feeling that way - perhaps why I feel so bad tonight. -------------------------------------------------------- Thomas is a Viet Nam Vet who has walked the woods looking for Cooper's bones and money.. He used to touch base with Himmelsbach and that was how I got messages to him...but he is the supposed expert that told me there was no way the Washougal could be on my left and disclaimed that the other things I was talking about did not exist. Yet, I found them in my 2001 trip...with the help of an Angel named Udell.(the woman found me at the DoubleTree - told me where to go - and then gave a fake name and address).

Back Up...Duane was in Wa. in 1971 and then in 1979 with me .... he did not go back Wa after 1979. So I do not understand your statement - perhaps it is just me not feeling very good tonight. What you are saying makes no sense to me what-so-ever. If you are saying he was the guy on the ground and buried Cooper and the money and then in 1979 dug it up...I understand that. Please clarify. Thank You.

=================================== Sorry to blow theory out of the water - not just out of the water but out of SIGHT. The trip Duane and I made was in 1979. Norjax was published in 1986 Max Gunthers book was published in 1985 HaHaHa by Cooper was published in 1983 Tosaws's book in 1984 What does that do to that senario. The Money is found in early 1980 Duane makes sure we do not see the TV. Feb 1980 Duane claims he lost his Job. Mar 1980 Duane leaves Co Mar 1980 Duane only comes back for daughter's graduation June 1980 - my daug and I join him in AL He went to a dead end job - left good job good money March 1980 Now after he dies in 1995 - I find he resigned - he requested to go back East using myself and my daug as the excuse. His letter of resignation was in his private papers. Until the books above where published Cooper thought he had made a clean get away. As soon as he got wind of one of the books and the composite - he grows his hair long and sports a bushy mustache...not a sign of the times - I hate facial hair. Had previously refuse a promotion saying he had to keep a LOW profile - this was confusing. Duane was Cooper. I had a conversation with Agent Carr today: Will address that later: Not Good.

Go back and see what they were using for a composite - not the redo the artist did within days. Interview the artist and hear what he has to say - Doug Pasternac did this - and things this artist said were NEVER made PUBLIC except in this forum. This MAKES no SENSE to ME. Check-out ROACH AND HORAN and you will find the truth. Connect the dots.

You know exactly why they never found him - The FBI for some UNKNOWN reason for 36 yrs has propagated the Bing Crosby look-alike composite. The composites were redone in just a few days - but the FBI even at my urging REFUSES to make the other composites available. I had to ask more than once to get a print of the one that I use. They did finally send me two pics - one with and one without glasses.... The arrival of those pic was a day I will NEVER forget. All I had seen prior to the fall of 1998 was the Bing Crosby look-alike and 2 postage stamp size black and white newspaper prints of the composites that I currently use......what I had been telling the FBI was based on the resemblance to these tiny black and white digitize prints! When I got my mail that day - and opened it...I fell to my knees in my front yard - trembling so hard that I could not stand up...my daughter was visiting and thought I was having a heart attack...ALL I COULD SAY WAS 'LOOK LOOK LOOK, LOOK". She took the prints I was holding up and with one breath said "Oh, My God he really was Cooper". Until that day my oldest daughter (who never lived with Duane and I) thought I was going off the deep end. Seeing those pics of the composites - I will never ever forget that moment....It was like looking at a photo of Duane as a younger version of the man I knew and was married to for 17 yrs. I know that you strongly believe it was someone else...but you have not walked in my shoes - heard what I heard - and experienced what I did - and to know who I am and how I have lived my life. If you knew me you would know that I would never have come forward with this if I was not convinced beyond any doubt. I am not a delusional person nor am I looking for a movie producer as others have done - I have turned things down and I refused to go public until 2000 - 5yrs after Duane died...I did not want to believe it - maybe I was hoping the FBI would be able to put him someplace else like a jail...that didn't happen...the FBI has never investigated the things I have begged them to do - such as FRANK ROACH and ED HORAN. The FBI's own lack of investigating Duane was the sole reason I went public - The agent of record said "Your husband was NEVER in McNeil" and he was unaware that I was holding in my hands black and white proof that Duane was indeed in that prison and several other prison. The FBI continues to ignore any information I give - because of DNA on a tie they do not KNOW that Cooper actually wore. They continue to ignore the LOST cigarette butts - the only valid DNA they had in their possession - YOU DON'T SEE THEM MAKING THAT PUBLIC - THIS FORUM IS THE ONLY PLACE YOU HAVE SEEN IT.

Unfortunately, I think Ckret and a bunch of the other main "sleuths" have retired from using this forum due to the events of the past week. . ===================================== I got an email from one of the sleuths - (my private email is what I use on the forum profile). They got bannished. I have a detailed list of the items the FBI retrived from me on Mar 28 2003 and return in March of 2007 - 4 yrs later. Duane died in 1995 and the items had been cleaned and used by others but I gave them what I had...eight 8 yrs after he died. They even tested some particials that I cleaned and put in a plastic bottle - he never touched that bottle. All I was told was they found no prints - PRINTS???- they were looking for DNA ---? The agent returning the items was new.....I guess he didn't know prints from DNA.

I believe he has left us - perhaps he thinks there is no more to be learned: As some of you know I have been seaching for a man known as Ed Horan and that he had connections to Duane and MT,ID,WA and OR. ATTENTION JUMPERS: Do you know this name FRANK ROACH. Roach, Horan and Weber - are connected. Mr. FBI are you listening? I came beck to edit this post because I felt that I had said too much - way too much... things that could hurt others - best to let the FBI disclose things - I served Cooper up on a platinum platter and they chose to ignore it ---or is it on purposes? I chose to expose this information in the forum - for my own purpose of self preservation --- the FBI was provided with this information in 1997 and 1998 and in my opinion the agent of record at that time never opened the manual.

1971 - what I know as an ankle boot came a little higher than that with a zipper on the inside and the heel was not as high...it is also referred to in 1971 as Ankle shoe in the Sears catolog. The pic you sent seems to be from an earlier date - I don't know how one goes about referencing old 1971 Sear Cat. pics but there must be one. This is when I wish I had saved an old catologue just for the hell of it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

===================================== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not ONE word has ever been uttered about thermal imaging being used to search for Cooper...NOT ONE WORD. Yes, it may have been in existence but not available in a manner that would have assisted the Cooper Hunt. Would have to have been done from the air and required many planes with this equipment available - now this is too far out for 1971. I am a Whuffo, a woman and have dumb blond syndrome --- but his does not SOUND REASONABLE.

. I am the kind who has to ask - rather than brood about it - I blurt it out. Thank you for the answer and I hope my asking did not offend you.

============================= I discussed this in the other thread, but not in detail probably. Duane told me once "Here's the keys - if I am not here by 1PM, go back to XXX and I will find you." This happened in 1981 or 82...I am not sure what he was up to - I didn't understand what he meant or why he was telling me that. He did get back before 1PM and we left fast....like the devil was after him. This is exactly what he would have told another individual who may not have known what he was up to - making this person an unwilling accomplice. That is what he did to me in another circumstance except that it took me yrs to figure it out. He knew the area like the back of his hand - hiding places abounded - he knew how to keep out of sight and how to get to advantage points. He utilized clothing taken from an open shed left hanging there by the owner - work clothes - (cover-alls to be specific). 377 - someone told me that you are not just someone interested in this crime and that you have used me for information...is that true? I hope not, but at this point I just don't care...I am tired and I have to get this told. I am being told that Duane is being completely ignored as a suspect - and that the Mayfield people have used me for information for a book. I don't know how much truth there is in this and I don't care...I just need help in finding the information I need -- right now that is Edna and Zona. The FBI has ignored the employment history given to me by a prior wife. How much more can they ignore.

Seems like the FBI and everyone else is entirely ignoring the fact that Tina said Cooper was wearing ankle shoes - why would she use that teminology? A loafer is a loafer and is never referred to as an ankle shoe...Ankle shoes - the only referrence for this is ankle boot. A dress boot that comes to the ankle. For God's sake someone think. Please think - she spent the most time - she said ankle shoe - that is NOT a loafer.

What did you do? Laugh so hard you spilled your coffee? ...Only thing you can do is buy a new keyboard...and stop laughing....he he he.

Quote The Dan Cooper case is one of the most fascinating crimes of the 20th century. If Cooper's identity was revealed tomorrow, the news would make the front page of newspapers around the world. So I am completely baffled by the hostile reception this discussion has received on this forum. Because of the nature of the crime, a discussion of it belongs on any aviation forum, skydiving forum, and crime forum. reply] ----------------------------------------------------------- Albert18? ? Watch Out they don't like Whuffos here (just kidding) - you said something in your post that gave away your identity - and I could not be more pleased the site got your attention and you have been lofting all along......shows some flexibility in your point of view. I have new information if you care to contact me - I think you will find this new information ODD. I will say that one of the posters here questioned me about something forcing me to revisit my OLD files(Thank You 377). From 1997 to 2000 all of my notes were hand written or recorded...I do not usually go back to old information thinking I have been there done that...a few things jumped out at me - some of which I revealed on the locked site...THE most IMPORTANT THING I did not, nor did I reveal it to the FBI.....but, I would love to talk to you about it...I believe you have the resources and capabilities to put a "hook" into this piece of information. TO ALL POSTERS: Ignore me if you wish, but Duane was Cooper and I will prove it....my energy level is ebbing recently, but I am going to go to WA, MT, ID and OR. I have in the last few days spent endless hours contacting these areas only to re-affirm that I allowed myself to stray away from where I should have focused. The old saying "you can't see the forest for the trees" - oh, how true. ASSISTANCE NEEDED: Need to locate Edna (probably deceased) and / or daughter born in 1946/47 and given the name Zona. This woman would hail from the N.W. - WA, ID, OR or MT.....she may or may not have taken the name of Weber or aka used by Duane between 1945-1951. She may have known him as Wayne L. Weber Nickname "Dusty" Edna would have been living in ID, Mt. OR or WA in 1944 - 1947 when she knew Duane and became pregnant. She gave birth to a daughter she named Zona .... Duane had mentioned Mx and Tx in relation to this daughter..may have been when he last saw her. He told he that the last time he saw her she was 9 yrs old. which would have been right after he was parolded from Folsom. in March of 1957... I believe that Edna may have family in Mx or Tx.. Somewhere out there is a sixty yr. old woman who told her father when she was 9 - she never wanted to see him again - (the last time she saw him.) He obviously followed her life - because he mention an attempt to see her between 1969 and 1971...my memory has never let me remember what he said in regard to that. This would have been when he found out that he had a hereditary kidney disease. She would be genetically disposed. If anyone has an idea how I can chase this down please let me know...IN my opinion the FBI should have some notes on his relatives while he was in San Quentin and Folsom....but the sister is listed on the records I have..and not a wife. Family only knows this wife and daug existed but never acknowledge them as Duane in a letter to his mother requested Edna attend his father's funeral on his behalf...bother and sister had no interests in the child or her mother.

Quade: You personally do not understand the mystery and the need to pursue not the facts of the crime. There are times that you misunderstood what I was talking about . Such as your response to me about Poynter - I was not questioning an authority. I was questioning input information that may not be correct. If the input is not correct - the output would be incorrect. This thread that has been watched around the world - by media, detectives, attorneys, movie producers, bookwriters and of course the first site to ever host a member of the FBI..asking for help to solve this crime. You have taken an internet FIRST and shut it down.. We can go to another site - yes, but it will not attract the audience that the FBI and those who want to solve this are seeking. Remember - someone out there is holding a piece of the puzzle locked inside of their memory. A small fragment of information that one thought not so important might be what the FBI and myself are looking for. Another thread just breaks the story up - and the mystic of the discovery is lost. You have shut down the history of discovery and investigation of D.B. Cooper by the FBI and those who are are presenting their suspects....a computer first. A new thread is like watching two episodes of LOST and have no knowledge of the other episodes. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I would much rather it be the National News - titled Mystery Solved. By the way I am too old to learn to jump - and the bones too brittle. Now, for a little News:

That post sure did give me a distince impression of someone I spoke with on the phone a few yrs bacl. Just read this one post so far - are you guys hitting the bottle tonight?????