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That means that the money was not there in 1974 but at a much later date. Ah, Thank you. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

_________________________________________________ What do you mean by the 1974 layer in the sand - I am afraid all of this is way over my head, but this comment gave me cause to ask for more information. Thank You, Jo Weber

I know what the grudge was now. He left the message on the plane................................................................... The FBI didn't get it. Now they will. Maybe I am off on another Wild Goose Chase, but I don't think I am.................................................. Sorry this is all I can say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got phone calls to make. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

______________________________________________ I do not know the name of the man, but will put a call to Doug NOW----hold on. Just Hold on I don't know if he told me the name or the artist and if he did it didn't seem important. So I never say anything until I know for sure. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Maybe I wasn't being a smart mouth with that statement! Quilt does a lot of things to a man and being used can create a BIG grudge. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Mississippi 1, Missisipp1 2 and so fourth till you get to a certain number - I heard him singing this to a baby - but I realize it is a count-down method if you don't have an altimeter - and in the dark I doubt he could have seen it. Don't forget that the plane was changing something in direction every 10 sec after it went accross Merwin. Why would it have been doing that? Crosswinds? Maybe ? All these posts about the plane I do not understand. I just thought that what I read about the plane and its zigzag pattern should be accounted for. This is something I know nothing about.

Ckret has left the Building. Things got a little too sticky for him....guess he has better things to do. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The Reply is Edited for space purposes: Hi Orange: I am not being selective in what I post. infact I am posting my heart out - nothing was really hidden at any given time...just postponed waiting for something that meant the information might be useful. After I found out the FBI wasn't doing anything I have been trying to pour it ALL out, except what might cause harm of others. I made 2 posts regarding our Trek from The Dallas to Seattle. I have done nothing, but tell what I know and ask for help. I had not exposed the complete route for fear of personal property being destroyed by treasure hunters. With time becoming more and more valuable to me, I want to put it ALL out there and someday maybe someone will find a piece of evidence. I am waiting for responses from Locals in that Area of WA to contact me with anything they think might be helpful. If we can find where that Tower was and what he buried there - maybe we would find evidence. I am not sure what he buried or if he retrieved it later. I don't think it was the chute as I first did - they were looking for a man with a briefcase or a bundle in a suit...if during that first night run he had acquired a workers clothes at a logging station or such, he may have buried the suit and briefcase, but not the rain coat. All pure speculation - I want to know what he buried chute or briefcase - surely there would be trace evidence left after 36 yrs. Please - WA residents - read the two posts about the places he took me on our way to Seattle - ANY INFORMATION would help - it is one of two towers in that area - Both Towers went off the same paved road. One the towers was gone and also maybe the other ..in 1979, but they were there in 1971. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yes, you are right Eliakim - the skyjumpers on this thread have indeed been very helpful and some of the statements below that you made are what is needed - someone who was there on that night. I would also like for them to talk about the areas I tried to describe in the two WA Trek posts above. ---------------------------------------------------------- I am sure it was very cold and wet - but once he got on the ground he went into survival mode. Early the next morning in the search area children were fishing and playing under a tarp - so he only had to get thru the night. He was able to avoid the search teams - because of a miscalulation of the drop zone. A man was seen at daybreak walking down a road - the individual did not know about the jump until later on in the day. When he told his wife about it they called the FBI, but it was dismissed because it was not in the immediate search area..

The Trip to Seattle (the last part). I still haven't slept, but have to get this done. It is Noon time in Fl. so I have been 32 hrs without sleep. This next part is where I need all the help I can get from those of you who live in WA. and lived there in 1979. I did not find this when I was out there in 2001. So it is entirely from looking a map with NO detail and very small. After turning on that Coffey Rd we went a long way and lots of turns - and ended up on other roads. I do know there was a point were we converged with another intersecting rd. went North before we went to a 4 lane...this was not a well populated area. . He said this was our last side trip before heading to Seattle as we were pushed for time. Somewhere in this mess he pointed out an area called Green Mountain and said there was something on it (I just don't remember what he said) and near an airport. It was at this point that we went North. We reached an area where the road crossed the pipelines - I think that is what he said. Down this road he turned onto another road - there may have been more turns before the dirt road. When we turned on to this dirt road we went in quiet a ways to a clearing - we were in the woods. This is when he thought he must have missed the road and it was the one before, but he must have satisfied himself that we were in the right place and the Tower was gone. He said it had a light on it (do fire towers have lights?). He pointed on down the road not well traveled except for four legged or hunters or such. He said down that road thru the forest was a railroad track built by the logging industry. He talked about burying something behind the shed that used to be there. We left and got back to the paved road - at this point I am lost. He proceeded to an area where they store rail equipment , but we went no further - he said that the rails went on - he mentioned Battleground Lake and Yalcolt and the area where the rails went deep into the forest...he named a lot of Indian sounding names...We went back toward Vancouver the way we came and got on 500. He stated he was surprised they had finished the 4 lane that far.

You are showing a lot of maps and I have a hard enough time with regular maps...but I am going to recount the trip as best I can remember that we went on in 1979. I went back out there in 2001 but the "guide" didn't have a clue where the things were that I was describing and the drove me around and I was just lost. OUR TRIP TO WA IN 1979 Some locals invited me to spend an extra night and go out with them to look at some areas they thought matched what I was looking for. The TV crew the prior day found a spot that was similar but not it. Perhaps I would never have found the places I was looking for if it had not been a woman I labeled "My Angel Udell" because later I found the contact information she gave me was all false. When I met the people who were going to take me to some places I told them where I wanted to go first. The woman who I call the River Lady from the day before had called the hotel and told me there was something she wanted to show me - it was the area or very close to where Duane had taken me on our return trip where he left me in the car and went down to the Columbia. Perhaps NO ONE is interested in this but I think those who live in the area might be able to shed some light on this trip. Bear in MIND that he DID NOT use a MAP during any of this. Now back to the trip to Seattle: We spent the night at the THE DALLAS or somewhere close. He set his alarm and told me that I could sleep in as he had some place he needed to go - he returned around check-out time and cleaned up. We went a short ways before crossing over to the WA side. He pointed N telling me down that road was the Hood River, but we were not going there. About there we crossed the Columbia on what I thought was the Bridge of the Gods, but now know after seeing a pic of this bridge - we crossed some place else. It was a high structure and he seemed impressed by the area - to the East - a lot of boats. Then we went W on hwy 14. Much further down the hwy he states that he thought he missed his turn - and I proceed to reach for the map. Just about the time he finds his turn - I have found it in the Atlas. This Atlas had an unusual marking at that point. We proceed into Washougal and go to a cemetery (I don't think he ever said why). I still don't know why. We went to a large river (which I now know to be a Lake)...before getting there we past a lot of farm land and pastures with cows. Then made a left onto a road that ran along this "river" - note he never corrected me and let me think it was a "river". We got to an area that was like a large camp ground with dirt, gravel and scrappy trees. There was a point with a steep drop to the water. We get out and he shows me the foundation to one building and said at one time there were three cabin used by fishermen. Pointing across the lake was a dirt logging road going parallel with the "river" to the W and told me there was a logging camp down that road (which I now know to be a feeding camp). A dirt road going up the hill to what I now know as south was a Cabin and he knew the woman who used to live there. To the E. he said there used to be a tower...I do not recall what kind of tower. I now know this was Lake LaCamas and there was a scout buiding there when I went back in 2001. I stopped at a camp up the road and a man told me that the water was lower in the fall of 1979 then it was now in the spring of 2001. He asked me if I saw the lily pads and told me that the water dropped off at that point - he pointed to a 5 yrs old tree and then to a 25 yr old tree...then I knew I had found the right place - it looked right but changed.... 21 yrs later. We left there and went up the road and went to our right - it was narrow climb not paved all of the way. At the end of this road was a fenced field - with a gate. There were basket size rocks in this field - he pointed across this area to the N.W. and said there were power lines that you could walk under forever before the undergrowth and also pipe lines that intersected in the North. When we left there going back he pointed out a tributary and said that is were Cooper walked out of the woods. I guess he was telling me but I missed it - remember everyone thinks my roots are blonde. He also pointed out a large house he called a Mansion and said the he knew a man who worked and lived on the property - as a caretaker. Can anyone verify this for me? As we were leaving that area because of what he said - I noted the only landmark sign I could find and would not remember the name of it until that day when I went back in 2001 - I was screaming TURN TURN and the driver commented that the only way to water was to turn there. I remembered the name of the road when I saw it. My memory said Ledbetter on the sign - he mentions an airstrip, but I couldn't see it - somehow on a road that was not on an old map of 1978 I found we are back in Washougal -( because he went North and then back toward Washougal - the only explanation I have been able to find is that he did not go past the airstrip as I see it we returned on Robinson Road to 383rd Ave back into Washougal.) I am getting restless and he said that he had one more place to go - we end up going up the Washougal for several miles and there is a trailer area there - he states he used to know someone who lived there. At this point we turn around (I found this area on my return trip in 2001). Then we go back toward Washougal and he is agitated because he thinks he missed his road - When I was out there in 2001 the driver took me up the Blair Road and it did not look right. We were on the Coffey Rd. I remember after we got on that road that I looked at a map to see were it went -I now think this is why I couldn't find another area he took me to - they had me on the wrong road. (This is important as later on he takes me to the fire tower that wasn't there and that had a shed that he buried something behind.) I still don't know where that is. Back to being on Coffey Rd - He points out an area where Camp Bonneville is and tells me about 2 guys who tried or did escape and a very high fence which I did not see. Talks about a stream on the site and others N and W of there. He tell me about Livingston Mt, Stud Mt, and Little Baldy. He again points out the area that the Pipelines run through and again that yrs ago you could walk for miles. He talked about how they the power and pipelines intersected. After this is were I get LOST. We end up on 500 which he was surprise to find they had finished it that far...how DID HE KNOW THIS MJCH about an area he supposedly never lived in. At this point is when I need the help of the locals.I will tell you what I saw in another post and you tell me where I am at...(there is much more to the trip before we get onto I-5) because we end up in an area they store little rail cars.. I have been doing this all night and because I want to get it right I will finish it Sunday Eve --- at that point since the FBI thinks Duane could not be Cooper - I am going to call it quits and head out do do some research on my own and take the time I need to do somethings that might lead to some answers since it is obvious that the FBI is not, did not and has no intentions of investigating Duane at his time due DNA which I contend is compromised or incorrect and/or the tie was a throw down. I will admit that I am "ascared" to do some of the things I am going to do, but I would rather die knowing the truth than not.

Absolutely NoWay that money was buried there - Talk to Ingram and you will find all he did was take his little 10 yr old hand across the sand - he was not digging. It was just below the surface approx 3 inches. If it was buried there - a lot more of the bills would have been found. They use 1979 technology on the testing of those bills and todays technology will show something very different. Note: that Ingram has one of the bills on auction at this time.

The FBI cannot exclude Duane Weber without proof that the Tie was actually Cooper's tie and that it is not a throw down. Doesn't make sense that someone so careful of fingerprints would leave a tie with a clasp and possible prints. Such careful planning and then leave a tie - does not maike sense. Face it - THe FBI is not going to do anything until they have more evidence - One just as well check the DNA against James Earl Ray who was in prison at that time. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

=================================== A grudge - sounds like a good reason for a throw down.

=================================== There were Two Notes: The first was just to get the attention of the Stewardess as most have understood it. Cooper gave Shaffner a list of demands to take to the Capain with orders to bring the note back. He was emphatic in stating that he wanted the note - BACK. This is the way the media printed it and what I have been told ever since I started this 13 yrs ago. I noted in recent material made public taken by the stewardess that it appears to be the way you are stating. but not what everyone has understood over the yrs. WHY would he want the notes back if he didn't write notes that he had prepared for the Pilot? There is something wrong with this! The notes that the stewardess wrote doesn't say anything about reserve packs - only two back pacs. Cooper did request to go to Mexico and the one thing that puzzled the FBI and the media was that Cooper referred to the intercom as Interphone.

Himmelsbach's book mentioned that he looked at his watch. AND please explain why the media was told it was a stickpin and/or tac? Mouse borrowed a term from the FBI - throwdown.. The FBI was elated with the "evidence" left behind - it was pay back time!

Interesting! I have a reason for "Mouse" - and of course some have taken my poor Mouse and made stories that are vulgar and distasteful....but he only reflects on himself.. "Mouse - he just might come back and pay that guy a visit - when he is least expecting it. Chutes make pretty good nesting material don't they?"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mayfield asked to speak to Himmelsbach and thus he did - according to the records and written material Himmelsbach has done. Himmelsbach has stated to me and others that Mayfield is not Cooper. After personally speaking to Mayfield a while back and asking Himmelsbach his opinion - claims against Mayfield are nothing more than a personal vendeta for some reason not made to the public. His accusers only Hint and NEVER state why they believe their accusation should be evaluated - they play with words that say nothing except to consume time, space and energy. Can't let Mouse Go till he finishes his assignment: Mouse leaves Ca. and heads to N.Y. for a Big Bang - NewYears - Times Square...Fun and Business in a neat package. Minnie is so Excited - but fearful.

CATCHER SAYS: I have never been on a thread with you that got shut down. Tina talked with us enough to let us know she wouldn't talk with us - two different senses of the phrase. Does that satisfy you? With our limited resources and access, Tina was very difficult to find and I will not share her info with anyone. The FBI could probably find her near instantaneously, I'm sure. This also contradicts something I said but was tongue in cheek. Okay? -------------------------------------------------------- JO STATES: Thisis the same Gibberish you did before. I am not asking for Tina's number - I have her contact information if it hasn't changed. YOU are the one who was offering it UP in another post. You ALSO KNOW that thread got LOCKED down --WHY deny it? Catcher - you put me in the hospital before and this time I won't let you do it. The only thing I am coming back to do - is to post the supposed route that Duane followed - as per the things he told me. THIS is something I think the jumpers who live in the area should know...then I am through. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LETTER TO FORUM Dear Drop Zone and Jumpers: I want to thank Drop Zone for allowing me to be here and to Thank ALL of you Wonderful GUYs and GALs out there who have been so helpful...We covered a lot of ground this past yr. ... we explored a lot of can and cannot do's. We did all of this without constantly having to repeat ourselves...we had some intelligent conversations regarding the mechanics of the jump (ALL very good). We explored other suspects - and we shared what we knew about these suspects...but, I draw the line when someone accuses a person and offers Nothing that says he did the crime. They have already taken Mayfield onto National TV and the FBI nor any authorities found any reason to investigate him. I frankly hope he sues the XXXX out of them. Maybe this is somewhat similar to my suspect but Duane Confessed to the Crime and he provided me with some details that I could not know and he left evidence which I didn't understand and hence sold and gave away. What I have been doing is only trying to prove what he told me. Mayfield is being openly accused without his accuser ever really stating anything in the way of Evidence or Proof that Mayfield was involved. I frankly think these people have some kind of vendeta against Mayfield, but that is my opinion. If I am allowed by the forum I will post that route, but I am not here to play games and antagonize others - I was told some were annoyed by "Mouse", but it was a sutle clue that I do not care to disclose in a public forum.

Ckret you are buying too much into the hype - the weather was NOT consistent - some places were better than others on that night. There were even people who claimed they SAW the plane.