skyjack71

If they didn't have the tie or a picture of it how did the Agent show it to her? I have question this over and over for yrs. ======================= If this was true WHY wasn't it in the FBI reports. This book it is the only known statement of Tina saying this. ======================= Since there is nothing in the FBI report - must just be literary licensing. ======================== Ckret gets all screwed up with his information - per posts he has made in the past. I get screwed up also but I am not an FBI agent with the files infront of me nor do I speak for the FBI. ========================

Part of the lawsuit was because the FBI agent claimed to have shown the tie and clip from the Cooper jump to the mother and the wife of McCoy and quoted them as saying it was McCoy's. The family never said this. Exactly where I read this I don't remember, but it was part of why they sued and won - out of court. Somewhere in this 15 ft of paper I have it and the article it appeared in. This agent was trying to prove that Cooper and McCoy where one and the same. He was quoted as saying that when they killed McCoy they killed Cooper. PS. I have never read the McCoy book or the Drayton Book - I refrain from doing so - for obvious reasons. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I screwed up it was a black spiral (plastic) with a GOLD cover...I was talking to a friend to unwind and pulled the book. There is a second book that is Blue with a White Spiral. =======================

Okay - you guys have wanted to know what I was holding and now I will tell you PART of it. The FBI will never disclose this, but from what I have I feel I am right. Cooper was reading something, but it was NOT a magazine, but something else entirely. It was a book - but not just a regular book - it had a plastic spiral binding and the cover was gold. He knew his prints where on that item so he took it with him. I give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me. I have been lied to by several individuals recently - How STUPID I am to allow myself to be used. One has deliberately tried to manuever me and for the most part was sucessful. The other is someone I trusted - but he lied to me and I trusted him. No one tells the truth anymore - everyone is out just for themselves and the FBI doesn't want this case solved. What I am feeling now is NOT good - I feel violated and used. I had something else to say but right now I have to regain my composure. Bye. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Snowmman you stated this in a prior email: Last year, Carr sent Kaye a sample of the tattered hijacking currency that remains in FBI custody. Kaye did a chemical analysis of the $20 bills and said he discovered a "unique chemical marker," a compound that explained how the bills degraded and could possibly point to where they had been. He declined to identify the compound because he said it could be a key finding in the scientific paper he plans to write about the investigation. "I'm trying to determine where that (compound) exists in nature," Kaye said. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder what that unique chemical marker is? - Betcha I know. Something I have tried to tell the FBI for yrs - he money was NOT always in the Columbia. Perhaps a container near the river EAST of where Winterly park is currently located. That chemical marker could be leaching from the container or the trees growning there or from residue the container once held. There is one other possible place the money was buried and that would have been where Duane went that morning he dissapeared from the The Dalles for 5 1/2 hrs returing soiled. This means it was more than likely buried inland - perhaps toward Mt. Hood. I have had others speculate he could have drove all the way to Vancouver, but that didn't make sense because why would he push for us to make The Dalles - because where he had to go was not too far from there - the Dalles was probably the closest. If he had gone onto Vancouver that day he would not have been able to take me on that sentiment trail he wanted to "live over one more time". I do not know where he could have gone from The Dalles that morning - but it definitely was not into Washougal were we went later that day - because he almost missed his turn since the intersection had changed on Hwy 14 to get to Washougal...that is a red flag he had not been there earlier that morning. I will go to a part of that trip I didn't think too important but now in retrospect I think it might be very important: ATTENTION MR. KAYE He mentioned Mt. Hood and the Hood River - but actually I think he had already been there earlier that day - the other option is on Highway 14 on the Washington side - He mentioned how rugged the country was there - and pointed out a ridge - telling me there was a cave of sorts there ....it was at this point he said there is nothing but forest for a few miles. Later we arrive at the turn off for Washougal. You know the rest of the story. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Tacoma was very important...and I believe I have told why before. It regarded an investment in some commercial real estate that went sour in the 60's. Two individuals where involved in this - I gave the FBI the information, but they never checked it out. Also another connection with Tacoma was a step son. Remember this - when you look out that window you not only see Tacoma - you see McNeil Island Federal Prison. They fall within the same area from an airplane window. If he had pointed out something as insignifcant as Steillacoon where McNeil Federal Prison is located - it would have been like a Beacon Light into the past of Cooper. After all he was smart like a Fox, right. On our trip to Seattle these are the things he told me and the things he pointed out. The prison was just information in passing - I did not know he had been a prior resident at that time. The FBI has had this information since 1996. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Be considerate of the FBI Georger. They'd feel a whole lot better if their only unsoved skyjacking was done by a mastermind rather than a moron. For me the jury is still out on Cooper's intellect. I see indications of both idiocy and high intelligence. 377 You are both right ! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Don't let Jerry snow you - he called me a liar about the places I went and then I found these places with the help of the locals. He acted like he was interrogating some one in a war senario. The most unpleasant conversation of my life. He refuses to acknowledge the places I went and that the developement in the area has taken over - what was farm and forest is now developement after developement. He claimed the places did not exist ever - and I had 4 witness (one is deceased). One was doing a favor for his Aunt by acting as our guide - this man was trained to know when someone was lieing...check you PM's. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Could have saved himself some time by reading my posts, but that's why I don't visit this board anymore. People have their mind's made up without having any evidence to disagree. Money does float, but it just doesn't float for very long (it's a matter of minutes) and this floatability makes a huge difference in figuring how far the money could have traveled. Good luck

Feorger quoted me as saying: "The picture with the mustach and white hair was taken in Virginia Beach around 1987,this was how he appeared after NORJAX was put on the racks in 1984. Why did he suddenly grow facial hair in 1984 or 85?" My reply is that I never tried to be 100% accurate - as I was replying to other responses. 1. We moved to Va in 1983 or 84 - but I am not sure about the date. 2. He did drive me by a house in Va. Bch. Va and told me that was where McCoy was killed. I was not very interested in this, but do remember his doing this shortly after we moved to Va. 3. Yes, Duane did grow his mustache and a head full of hair when we went to Va...He was working as a manager and had more than a one time contact with other agents and individuals. 4. Tosaws Book was published in 1984 - but I did not see or read that book my self until 1997, but Duane probably did...he just didn't bring it around me or I didn't know what it was about. 5. Norjack did not make the streets until 1986 - this is the book he had at our house, but I didn't know what the book was about...I have told that story before so need to retell it. 6. After Norjack the neat mustache became very full and the hair much longer. 7. I did not go back and look at photos and try to document what I was saying - never dreamt that my every word would be examined and put under a microscope. 8. Yes. the statement was a general statement rather than this detailed summary I have been compelled to do. 9. I knew what was going on in the world - but what some of you do not seem to grasp - is that Cooper was NOT front page in the South as it was in the West. No I did not watch the evening news (I was working). No I didn't read the paper everyday - I was working. What spare time I had - I spent with my husband and my daughter and doing things we liked to do. Knowing what is going on and having an interest in what is going on are 2 different things. ORANGE:

I know we do not usually post things like this but I have to post this: Subject: Growing old is no fun! An 80 year old man goes for a physical. All of his tests come back with normal results. The doctor says, "George, everything looks great. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with God?" George replies, "God and I are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so He's fixed it so when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, poof! The light goes on. When I'm done, poof! The light goes off." "Wow, that's incredible," the doctor says. A little later in the day, the doctor calls George's wife. "Ethel," he says, "George is doing fine! But I had to call you because I'm in awe of his relation-ship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night,and poof! the light goes on in the bathroom, and when he's done, poof! the light goes off?" "Oh my God!" exclaims Ethel. "He's peeing in the refrigerator again!" Oh well I didn't know if this is allowed in the forum or not, but it had me laughing and thought it might put a smile of someone elses face. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The ones with the heels would not have been very smart if he intended to jump out of an airplane. I also think the witnesses would have noted if he had on the ones with the higher heel, but then since we have NO clear cut description of the shoes - who knows what they saw or didn't see? All we have is the description Ankle Shoes and only Tina knows what she was referring to in that description. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There is another one that doesn't come up that high - came higher than a lace-up but not as high as the boots you posted. Was considered a dress shoe - he had one pair in dark brown alligator or snake skin. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

================ Snowmman you are right - a Chain of if's. Ifs and more ifs. You also make the point that most of us have a difficult time dealing with. Why nothing was ever found - and I do mean nothing. If he landed in the Columbia and sank to the bottom or becoming entangled in debris ... something had to have come loose .... he could not have landed completely intact and if he did- Cooper survived. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It is my understanding Tina said Ankle Shoe. That interpert differently to different individuals. Somehow this became loafers. I personally do not think she meant Loafers and I had never heard of ankle shoes. There is the low Ankle boot that was very popular in 1971. It came higher than a regular shoe and had a zipper on the inside of the ankle. Snowmman posted a picture of an ankle shoe but it looked nothing like the ones I am referring to. High arches (I am talking about the front of the foot being raised)presented a problem wearing those kind of shoes). I am being careful to clarify what I say as I do not know if high arches included the front part of the foot also being high. Duane was wearing the zippered boots and "shoes" when I met him and he continued to do so for yrs and yrs. He had other shoes - but these kind were his preference. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377 - I was not referring to you as making attacks - I had been up all night trying to dispell all of the crap Georger had posted. You are always courteous and kind and handle everything in an intelligent way. Sorry that you or anyone else got that impression. Georger - I will re-interate today that I did NOT move to Virginia until 1983. Therefore there were NO news items about McCoy while I was living there. Georger - it does seem like the SLC photo does something to you - perhaps it is trigger you are not aware of. Any mention of the book that had the photo in it does the same thing. Georger I try to ignore your posts and I do just fine until you throw your flagrant "lies" or deliberater "Georger" interperation out there for no reason what-so-ever. Please note you are nice and polite until I mention the Book, the picture of the little girl or flash that SLC avatar. Georger and all: I do not mind being questioned or what I say being analyzed. The problem I have is a certain poster puts me on the defensive by taking my words and uses information that does not apply. He makes his post his own about what I have said - without asking me what I meant or verifing a time period -Such as assuming I lived in Va during the McCoy yrs. A simple post asking if I lived in VA during the R.McCoy incident could have save me some vauable time last night. I therefore stayed up all night trying to defend myself and I had medication in me. All I came to the forum for last night was to find out what is going on at the Columbia. Of course Georger smarted off and said I missed it - I have checked the past posts for the last few days and found nothing in reference to the happening I have heard about in the last 2 days. We have NOTHING in our local news and Cooper usually does NOT make the National News. Would someone be kind enough to PM me about what is going on. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I came here today to find out something I just heard only to end up defending myself all morning. I got a call from WA. that there are people down on the river doing some kind of tests. Float Tests and other things and it is all in relation to Cooper. It was about this time of the yr that the money showed up at Tena's bar. The woman who contacted me is in Seattle so I don't know what is really going on. But Georger did all those posts and made me spend 3 yrs defending myself. Don't attack me and I am in there like I did the other night to make a quick post and then back out. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I made a long post below and If you will be so kind as to note that Georger only does these things when I use the Salt Lake Photo. That photo drives him balistic. I have worked hard all of my life and we did not have the internet...so I did not pay much attenction to anything other than the front page if I even saw that. I read books and I worked - that was it. I still had to cook and keep house and laundry. I was a working partner and a housewife. I knew very little about Cooper and what I did know didn't hang with me at time as I had no reason to catelogue the memory. Newspapers and TVs - back in thos day when everyone else was watching TV - I was making appoints on the phone or out on appointment....I hardly ever watched TV. SORRY to disalusion you... Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

=====================

Can't remember the name of the ticket agent just now ,but She was a He not that it makes any difference. I did interview this man over the phone many many yrs ago. At that time he actually could not identify Duane. I will say that time has tainted the memory of the witnesses. For instance, Florence by new accountings and other writings has identified several individuals as being Cooper. It is going to take much more than any witness saying "that was Cooper" or 'that was Not Cooper". Mitchell is the only one I got to send my photos of Duane to. The others have only saw whatever the media presented and in the beginning that was some that didn't look like the Duane I knew. Many photos of Weber have been accumulated over the yrs. but for no reason other than I wanted them. At this time in history photos of any suspect are useless. We will need a lot more than witness identification. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger. it was aggravating Jo who brought up the railroad tracks from the Orchard area right to the Fazio's, but Duane didn't go that far. Just to the area across from the Vancouver Airport. I have changed my avatar back to the SALT LAKE CITY photo from 1979. I have a very good reason - I wanted to. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I do have some questions: 1. The area that Jerry is searching is not far as the crow flies from the areas I have asked to be searched and was told that these places did not exist, yet I was there with 3 other women and a man in 2001 - when asking about these areas I was repeately told "You are lieing". 2. Coffey Road and the Trailer park that was there in 1979 and 2001 and did not vanish. Lake LaCames and the other areas I told him about did not vanish. The air strip did not vanish. The dairy did not vanish. The pipe line and power lines did not vanish. The tributary may have been diverted due to developement since 2001. All of these place are not very far from and are West of Jerry's seach area. Yet, he scoffs at me! 3, The Tavern at Dollars Corner that Duane told me about in 1979 and I would visit to in May of 2001, did not vanish . I understand recently thw bar is no longer in existence, but another business is in its stead. It was the Dollar Corner Tavern Duane pointed out to me on our way to Seattle - that he knew a man there, but we weren't going there. I went there in 2001 to see this bar - it was there. 4. The area Jerry is talking about is East of the Washougal and for the plane to have diverted that far East is far-fetched - considering all the other conversations you guys have had over the last 2 yrs regarding the flight path. This is my opinion, but derived from opinions stated by many of you in this forum as you have digested the information given the flight path.

A college student by the name of Mitchell who when I contacted him after 1997 - was working for Boeing. Mitchell does not really remember much. He did not move as was requested right away. He said that there was something hanging out from Cooper's pants - could have just been socks but could have been long-underwear. He just really did pay much attention. He had little to say. Even from the accountings of the hijacking - Mitchell has had little to say. He was a typical College student going home for the holiday. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Duhh - What's New? It also puts the plane where Duane took me - Up the Washougal to a trailer park where he used to know someone who live there and turn around and cut across Coffey road. This is after he took me to the place where the Cabins used to be at Lake LaCames and everything that was across the lake and the power lines and the pipelines and Camp Bonneville and a tower that used to be there and 2 air strips. The point where Duane said "That's where Cooper walked out of the Woods". Ah so this forum comes full circle and we are right back where we started, but with a lot more knowledge and a lot of crap we had to wade through. So we have the Place Card off the Aft stairs in one place, other estimates that put the plane over Orchard and Brush Prairie area and Jerry who put him at the Washougal . Then we have me saying he landed near the tracks and that he walked the pipelines and power lines to reach LaCames and walked out of the woods at a creek near there. Crossed the lake went over the hill to a logging feeding station and then to the marina where he take a boat on a ride right back at them. Holds up in a cabin near the Airport, but on the Vancouver side and awaits his chance to get out...or for his accomplice to pick him up. He uses the Bomb battery to operate his communication device. All over the Map - from Tena's bar and the Columbia to the Washougal - I am exhausted, but here we go again. Think I will just sit back and relax - and do what I should have been doing for the past few yrs. Enjoy Life.