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I read the post u found and do NOT understand. I didn't have the files infront of me so excuse me if I made a date error. What am I supposed to be - a human computer that can pull data up without a reference. I am pretty damn good but no infallible on dates. THE point is that later I did go to the files and it states the wording on it I had also discussed with Sluggo a long time ago. I do NOT know why I used the 1947 date in that post. I am surprise you have time to PICK my posts apart - I tried to research the post before and after the other one - but I was unable to find the other post you quoted. There is a post out there that I quoted the SAN Quentin / Folsom file with the correct dates. If you read further - perhaps U will find it. The below information was obtain by Doug Pasternac and any use of this information will have to credit him with the information obtained within 8-4-51 San Quentin 8-20-53 B H C 29B or CHC 10 1 1953 San Quentin 10 3 53 EFF 10-6-53 San Quentin 11-4-53 PAR FR SQ That is paroled from San Quentin. 3-16-54 SQPV WN F@CIM The below information was obtain by Doug Pasternac and any use of this information will have to credit him with the information obtained within. 3-18-54 Soledad (father was sick) or he was sick - we do not know. 3-19-54 SanQuentin 7-22-55 Folsom 3-18-57 PAR fr FOL 5-59 Reins.& Discharge. The below information was obtain by Doug Pasternac and any use of this information will have to credit him with the information obtained within 2-59:SQ:TFA.2yrs.Ea.2 cus.CC.&2yrs.CS.GT'd 21mos.Parole TGT Family in Ohio Subject to hold SC:Condition of Parold TGT FAmily in Ohio Removed 6/54 PVSQ: Rev/denied.PL Mar56 Calendar 3-56 FOL:TRA 4&4 rys.CC&31/2yrs CS:Second TFA 5 yrs.cc W/P? TM.GPTD 2yrs. OP: Subj to hold. Teeth: Good CHIN: Round Scar BACK of RIGHT Index FINGER: TATS; Right forearm out, Heart, horsh shoe,"Mom, Dad, God, Love Left upper arm cut, Anchor Dusty USN 41V 8-6-51 WANTED: Bureau of Prob. & Parold, Columbus, Ohio. 4-5-54 Wanted: Bureau of Probations & Parole, Columbus Ohio 1-15-57 CANCELLED Other name used Wayne Weber Dusty CREDIT to Doug Pasternack ANY use of this information with OUT his express permission will be consider a violation of his rights. No one can use this information to write a book or to twist. I could not call Doug as it was too late - but it is time I put the JERKS in their place. THIS is NOT the only DAMN file I have. So MR writer of fiction - who pretends to be doing a similation of the flight and MR. Baboon - I do HAVE the FILES! This is just one of them. The Ohio thing was served concurrently with the 51-to 59 residency. Ohio didn't want him back. He was very young man in Ohio and they felt the San Quentin/Folsom was enough. It was CANCELLED! So Duane escaped from that honor farm and when he escaped he did NOT show back up until he was arrested in 1951. Description of Weber 6'0" 175 pounds, Brown Eyes, Black hair. Muscular build - machininist. Why don't one of U smart ASSES get the Spokane Records - U have to go to SPOKANE to the archives! PRE 1950 Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo, Any airline ticket paperwork that Duane had in 1971 would be the same size as the ticket that the FBI recovered from NWA. Your "little blue ticket maybe 2in by 1in" may have been a parking ticket but, if so, it would have a date and time stamped on it. But it didn't have anything to do with a parachute. Robert99 AGAIN ROBERT99: You do NOT read what I post. 1. There WAS the airline ticket and it was the same as the tickets I was aware of. 2. The stub was a separate item about 1 inch by 2 inches and blue and it was either a parking ticket or a box ticket. Like a theatre ticket - it said on the ticket SEA TAC. I asked Duane what SEA TAC was - and he told me. Said to throw it away it didn't mean anything. I did, but he retrieved it from the trash can - WHY? 2 separate items and I do NOT remember if there was a time stamp on the little ticket. The airline ticket was old - because I said - This a really old ticket. Again he said it didn't mean anything....but an hour later he wanted to know what I did with that ticket. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Possible. You lucked out. Didn't understand the chart at all, but this dumb broad will try to understand anything or any one if it helps be it a yea nor nay to unravel they past and confession of Duane. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

He had just been arrested - he was throwing shit on the wall just like you are doing right now. It was my understanding the officers felt his past was so convoluted they might not be able to unravel it. WHAT EVER! You will NOTICE he did NOT go back to Jail - so where the HELL was he from 1958 until 1960 when he was sent to Canon until 1962. Hey we are missing the yr. 1959 - where was he? What did the Fl system do - did they ship him out someplace else? Even the DAMN FBI could NOT answer that question. These GUYS in FL have a man who had just got out of prison at Treasure Isle - and he had already commited a robbery. What did the authorities do - LET HIM GO? He had a wealthy UNCLE who had a second winter home there at the time - maybe he worked something out for him. Lyman VanBuren Weber. Check it out - a chemist for Sherwin William. OH GUESS were Lyman was in 1945 when Duane was in WA? He had been called up the second time, but had 2 children - and served that doing doing public service - GUESS WHERE? Lyman had helped to develope CHEMICAL WAREFARE during WW1.....GUESS what the governernment needed Lyman for? OK smarty pants - find out the location Lyman did his few months of public service...in 1945 - DARE you find that one out - bet you can't do it! If U do U will then believe that Weber was very likely Cooper. Duane's minor stint with the Army was also CHEMICAL WARFARE. P.S. even though there are those who claim that Sherwin William out of Chicago had NOTHING to do with the developement or manufacture of the paint for the Boeings - maybe they need to re-LOOK at this. U THINK! Some company made and provided the paint by contract, Boeing does not manufacture or make paint! THERE are those who call me a liar and yet they are the ones who dismiss real connections to Boeing and perhaps why DUANE WEBER knew a little more about the Boeings than the regular Skyjacker out there! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Returned to CA in Nov or Dec of 1944 and in January 1945 sentenced and transported in days. Didn't take very long back then. Released 6 months later. Young man things moved faster then that do for u young ones today. The courts didn't linger and it was usually just a judge. No attorneys tying things up for months. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am working without notes and with a 73 yr old brain and with some serious health problems right now. I am unable due to my health to access the massive files - most of it is paper. In CA. if you go back to the post I made about a hard line judge. I had the papers infront of me at that time. Duane had run-away and was in violation of what-ever it was they had him on (377 should remember this conversation because he was the one who found the sentening records and I think the name of the judge). It was around Nov of 1944 when he was returned to CA for violation of the program he was on...and sentenced in January of 1945 and transported immediately to WA....he was released in June or July of 1945 into a program. According to the agent of record in 1998 Duane was never in the population of McNeil - only passed thru and that matched the story the family told me. Some relative or friend of the family pulled some strings. THE FBI has never revealed where he was if he was not in the population at the prison. While Duane was in CA in 1943 and 1944 he was working forestry and in camps. They were trying to straighten him out and keep him out of trouble. The parents had a terrible time with him - but his MaMa never gave up on his - that was her change of life baby. His brother was 13 yrs older and his sister 6 yrs older. I don't see where I am running out of time. 1945 he was in WA. We loose him until 1949! THis is ridiculous I have to answer the same question over and over. It is a miracle I am able to do it without my notes and files. If I make a little error in date - for GOD sake man - let up on the attacks. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Techincally speaking over 1 yr and not quiet 2, but it makes no difference. He did have 2 yrs of high school so I don't know where they got the records - maybe he didn't pass to the 3 yr. He was in school, but he was a problem child per the family members I got to talk to and visit with before they died. He evidently was a TERROR! I was told some stories about his child hood that have been told in the thread. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Duane never sold real estate - that was me. One takes many risks when they do NOT see a way out. Duane was desperate after the diagnosis. He was afraid he would not be able to work (they lived in 1971 off of 2K). They told him he would be dead in 4-5 yrs in 1970. Desperation - needing money to stay off the streets and not being able to afford medical treatment. Medicaid - I do not know if that even existed in 1970. Circumstance such as he was experiencing at that time - can cause one to be a risk taker. He could choose to die slowly and in poverty or he could go for the big one and maybe survive to enjoy it and if he was caught the prison system would make sure he had medical assistance. If he bit the dust - he would die quickly and not be on a machine to keep him alive. WELL, if I was faced with the odds he faced - I think I would have done the same thing! Drastic situations take Drastic actions. If there was medicaid in 1970 I doubt it did little - those in need just suffered and died. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

NO. 1941-1943 in Jacksonville - Navy. The to CA. where the family is fighting the Undesirable Discharge - I have the letter exchanges between the mother and the Navy. He was in the sevice less than 2 yrs. I have the complete Navy file and those dates have been posted. NOT able to pull the files as I am not able to do much right now. Just getting groceries is difficult. Serious problems from the smoke exposure 2 wk-end straight in a row. He was placed during his time in CA - in a place where they thought they could help him & and he rejoined that group in WA. CPS also took wayward YOUNG men - Check it out! They had other men in the group from prisons - NOT just those who didn't want to go into the service. THAT is DOCUMENTED in my files on the CPS and the various forestry work camps of the time. They shared living quarters also. CPS and Wayward young men together - that is how they tried to help. Friends of the family helped arrange this. After McNeil - is when DUANE goes off the charts after he went back to Ohio and then came up missing from a facililty. There were 2 of them - one made it and the other was caught and returned to the camp. Since the SanQuention file brings up the Ohio incident - they are served concurrrently. Released on parole in 1957 and then arrested in 1958 in FL (note the FBI never disclosed that - this was found by this Group on the thread). In 1960 he is in CANON CITY, Co and released in 1962. 1962 to 1966 off the charts - NO known incarcerations or employement other than what the family told me and the wife of the time who knew him only as John (Johnnie C. Collins). Was sent to Jefferson as JOHN COLLINS. Duane Weber did NOT show up until he was released as John Collins. The Duane Weber was NEVER on the Jefferson file until it was made public in this thread. Jefferson told me before the file went POOF! The never had a Duane L. Weber. That detailed file was NOT made available to me until Carr brought it up that it was on line. What was on line was a santized version. I have the email and note of my conversations with Jefferson where they denied Duane Weber was a resident. Then after it is on line - they show both names - but if you go to the counties of arrest and then to the attorney offices who handle the John Collins case - he was NOT Duane L. Weber. In 1969 after Weber is release and goes with his then wife to CO. THEN the FBI came looking for DUANE L. WEBER - Know one knows for what or WHY. The fingerprint system at that time was still in the works - my guess is they finally matched the prints and the 2 names. There have been long posts on the print system - so I just do not argue with them - I remember the article I had read that contradicted the opinion of those on the thread who claimed the system was fully function by 1969. JUST not so. Many of the old case files and prints where NEVER put into the system - not considered relevant. Duane and his wife and the kids fled to N.O. and Al. Where he worked as a waiter, doorman and other position in N.Orleans (his associations in N.Orleans are suspect, but I refuse to give those details in this thread) and then the COMPANY whose name they do NOT like me publishing hired him in AL. Evidently the FBI didn't want him very badly or they decided off the cuff to let it go with time served, but there are NO records. Duane did have to go to a northern state to give a deposition (Duane mentioned this and so did the ex-wife) about something he was privey to - maybe he was a snitch to stay out of prison....the stories I have heard indicate this to be true. The files DO NOT mention any of this - but compiled from the Ex-wife....and people who knew him in 1968 in Atlanta Ga....note he worked for an insurance company at that time....some of the characters he associated with have convoluted backgrounds to include skyjumping, pilots, military, airport communications and as one told me "nothing he was proud of". Then there is this wealty man in Ft Lauderdale who also had a strange life - Duane went to see him twice during our marriage, but I did not go and never met the man. This man was NOT only wealthy and his past was NEVER revealed to me. He evidently was involved in some very heavy stuff! I do not have a face, but name which I have been told never to state in this thread. Remember Duane did take me to the area one time and the things he told me and this was when he took me to a high end bar on the waterway and spent time with the owner in private... This man and his friend knew Duane very well. I was not introduced and I was left at the bar while Duane conducted whatever business he had with them...in their private office. This was the night a yacht picked us up and the Woman was someone from Duane's past. The owner of the restuarant had arranged for the contact. Duane and this woman took their conversation to a private area on this large yacht. The last name was Meier - not sure of the spelling, but it was with an i and not a y which she pointed out to me. I had friends by the name of Meyer and asked if she was connnected. This is when she told me the spelling of her name was with an i and not a y. The conversation between she and Duane went to VEGAS and Chicago. She was out of the CHicago area, but had a home in the Ft. Lauderdale area. They also talked about Canada. WHEN we say yacht - it was large - 3 decks - bedrooms below, mid deck had a bar, large entertainment room with a stage area and I believe a Galley in the back. Then there was the 3rd level I did NOT go on. I was only on the main level only - I know the name of the boat was a big deal with Duane and this woman. I do not remember the name of the boat. She had a husband that had been in some trouble (from the conversation he had done some time) and that is when they took the conversation to the back and left me up front with her companion. This has been in this thread before....but, I go from memory and not the written word since I am pathetic at searches. My memory is ok - I think, other than stupid things like not remembering where I put the glasses in my cupboard. Do sometimes have a difficult time remembering names and sometimes have to use an alternate word to explain what I am trying to say. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Dumb Criminals do dumb things! Duane couldn't resist going back to WA. and retrieving what he had left there. Who know what was going thru his mind at that time - I don't. But, it goes along with other DUMB things he did. NO Duane was NOT in prison in Ohio 1945 to 1949. Late 44 he was picked up in Ohio and they found the outstanding warrant but he was transported back to CA. and sentence to Mc Neil, but did NOT reside there. I have the letters exchanged between the authorities in Columbia and CA and his mother. The dates on the McNeil file and the information made NO mention of the Ohio incident - because it happened after the release. He was found and sent to an Honor camp from which he escaped. Therefore the time from 1945 to 1949 is UNACCOUNTED FOR, but in 1949 they sent him to SanQuentin/Folsom and it show the Ohio thing right there - severed concurrently! No facility had Duane incarcerated from mid 1945 to 1949 - he went under ground in WA - just vanished for about 3 yrs. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Well, if U were so smart U would know that was ALL cleared up. I have the SanQuentin/Folsom file. He slip out of the hands of authorities and served his time for "ohio" concurrently with the Folsom/SanQuentin deal. This is in the file! GO back - I am NOT digging the files out again. He was an escapee from a prison farm...prior to being sentenced to SanQuentin/Folsom. Mid 1945 to 1949 HAS never been accounted for by the FBI files. We know he was arrested for Petty theft in the East and transported BACK to CA. in 1944 and sentenced to McNeil - a place he was never a resident of. I have the files and the records. The other yrs NOT accounted for are 1962 to 1964. I am NOT pulling this shit up to satisfy your find - it has been done in detail in the past! The assumption was he escaped from the honor farm and this caught up with him when he was sentenced to SanQuentin/Folsom. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am completely surprised and actual put off by your statement above. U have NO idea what the UPPER ACTIVE LAYER is means! NOT one IOTA! It can be several inches - every took a walk on the beach - when a person makes a mark with their feet in the sand (I do not mean the impressions at the waterline in wet sand) or builda mound with their toy shovel and bucket - THINK! So you are disputing the Palmer report? Jo take off your tinfoil hat! DUHHH! [:|[RED]Not what I said - I am disputing your word and your interpretation of Kaye's work. I do NOT dispute the Palmer Report, but what U said about Kaye's and Palmer's work. The money was put on the Beach early in the day - no later than 11:00 AM. Do you know where the tide line was during that yr the last wk of Sept or 1st wk of Oct in 1979? Since U engage in so much useless Crap with Blevins and your statements regarding the find on Tena's bar are deliberately being distorted. WHY? What is your assignment? Yea, U have an assignment - that is to confuse and dispurse! That or you have lost the abililty to comprehend certain things. I have a problem as I age, but the MONEY find - U cannot go back and change history. U can define it, but not change it. Do U know how to contact Mr. H.? Have U ever spoke with him and been to Tena's bar with him? If not then U need to do so. Remember he was on that beach with Palmer and the other guys in 1980 when the money was found. I was there in 1979 (so I claim)...I went ahead and added that because I can already hear your protests. As for the bag floating down the river at the Red Lion - I couldn't see it but Duane tracked it until it was out of sight. The bag thrown into the river at the Red Lion the bag had already been pulled into the main stream and was not floating along the North or South side of the river. I know where he pointed - but I still couldn't see it. I have told what I saw and what I have heard - No second hand accounting! No after the fact accounting - what I could see. GO FISHING! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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So, he went "done to the beach at Tina Bar" and threw a paper bag off at the Red Lion Inn both. What date in 1979? What month and day in 1979? Now who does NOT search? This has been discussed in this thread and due to the temp and Englebert appearing in Tahoe. We determined it was the last wk of Sept or the 1st wk of Oct 1979. When we left for this 5 day trip to WA it was warm in Salt Lake becauese I have pictures of me with shorts and short sleeves. It was cool enough the next day to wear jeans. After we got to Seattle is was FALL clothes the entire trip....but little rain, although I had taken my rain coat with me because DUANE told me it aways rains in Seattle that time of the yr. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Brian did have to scoop below the surface to make the indent for the fire - SO HE MONEY WAS NOT ON THE SURFACE - BUT 3 INCHES or so beneath the surface. What who ever stated is very very misleading. The money was covered and had to be uncovered. Just exactly what DEGREES does Kaye have - and are they specific to the subject matter. Arizona and old bones is not WA and rivers. YOU MEAN to tell ME U do NOT know WHAT credentials Kaye holds! RIDICULOUS! If Kaye does NOT have the actual credential then the complete study has to be ignorned. Palmer did have credential and remember Palmer was working with FRESH information and not information clouded by he said she said and time. U have posted on this subject without knowing if YOUR facts are wrong or correct. The information on Brian is relative easy to obtain. I am completely surprised and actual put off by your statement above. U have NO idea what the UPPER ACTIVE LAYER is means! NOT one IOTA! It can be several inches - every took a walk on the beach - when a person makes a mark with their feet in the sand (I do not mean the impressions at the waterline in wet sand) or builda mound with their toy shovel and bucket - THINK! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The money at Tina's Bar meets none of the requirements of a "plant", not even remotely. Wrong! It did and I was with him in 1979 when he went to Tena's bar (done to the beach BY himself) and the Red Lion when he threw a paper bag in the water. Georger STATED: "When Ingram found the money in 1980 it was for the most part out in the open; no real markers (trees etc) close by. In fact the money was so 'out in the open', relatively speaking at the time, resting at or near the tide line, that the Fazios thought it had arrived with the last tide just days before. Palmer proved that wrong." Exactly WHERE did U get this information. HAVE you BEEN on that BEACH with R. Himmelsbach and one of the FAZIOS - well I have. In 2001. YOU are really trying to screw with FACTs professor & you have made a serious error and also Kaye if your statement actually reflects the opinions rendered. The trees were there - the place pointed out to the documentary people by FAZION AND HIMMELSBACH - was not at the tide line of the day. Remember the Tide Line changes. The REFERENCE WAS TREE LINE! In 2001 some of trees had come and gone. But THE location of the money find NEEDS to be described in FEET from the fence. Even the fence may have changed by now. In red a must read statement! WHY do U not give KAYE a call NOW! The locations at that time was explained as just being out of the tree line. That is because I made a statement - why would anyone build a fire under a tree! It was explained that the trees had changed - which was understandable. Who build a fire on the TIDE line of the time - the ground stays damp. You build the fire above the tide line. This was ALL discussed in 2001. We were talking causually and not being recorded. HOW do I remember these things - I was ask to get on the Ground and pretend to be scooping the sand away. Well, I WALKED away to the parking area. So Georger I have BEEN THERE and I DO dispute what you said and if that is what Kaye said I then disputed that also. The tide line in 1979 was NOT the tide line all of the time. Tides are affect and effect and time. The wording was in-appropiate for men of your stature whose credibitability are SUPPOSELY emnient in any decisions made about the case. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

My THeories about the Money! The money was damaged when he went back in 1979 to retrive the balance of the bounty he did not take with him in 1971. After the jump he put on his person only what he could put in his pocket and if the authorities picked him up he would claim he found it. There was someone else who could etrieve the money in the event he could NOT get back to do it himself and was in prison where he would get the medical care he needed. Remember that I have always believed that Weber committed the crime because he was at a crossing in his life - and there was NO future due to the diagnosis at that time. The FBI did NOT look into the past of Duane and the wife of the day in a very effective way...since knowledge of his having committed the crime even after the fact would have caused her to be charged as a accessory. She told me one time on the phone that she contacted a relative of hers (he was in law enforcement) to ask if she could be implemented after a crime was committed and if some of the money was spent on her. She was told by this law enforcement relative she could be charged as an accessory and because she willing took money knowing it was stolen that she could be charged. She had childern at home. I do NOT know if the above story was in reference to Cooper money. Just something I was told in a 2 AM phone call - and there was alcohol involved. So how much does on believe under those circumstances. She was desperated to talk to me and that was the night she reveal other things she had never told me before. Her life was NOT good at that time and she had a daughter with some serious problems....the daughter ended up in Eugene and shortly after she returned to the area her mother lived in she ODed. This is the daughter who told me SHE KNEW DUANE WAS WEBER, but considering her problem - who would have believed her! She told this to me on a night I called and the mother was not home. She had been trying to figure out how to contact me. She had to tell me something and she did ON that night. I believe what she told me, but I will never be able to prove it! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins stated The co-pilot indicated to me something of that same nature, but NOT going to pull the notes I made from that call. I have MORE than one notation - East of Battleground and North of Battleground. Not too far from Heission. There is an area NORTH and EAST of Amboy that had 2 sitings of supposedly Cooper on the ground...FBI just ignored them. The tower that was there 1971 and was not there 1979 was NOT too far away from Heisson - but East of Heisson. I don't think that is the area Cooper jumped into, but a direction he headed to when he got on the ground. If the sitings north and east of there are reliable he was on the ground not too from from Yale Dam (I do find that one hard to believe but the women have been consistent and insistent). They think he crossed a logging truck bridge near Swift and headed for the rails that took him to the cars at Chelatchie where he either jumped a train or Rail Jacked a pump car that went to Yacoult. I also believe Cooper did use a pump car or jumped a freight but that could have been near the VERY area they thought Cooper could have landed. Near the N.E. Yale Bridge Rd. (Not giving the exact location they told me - just putting you in a vicinity). Both theories have good points based on things Duane told me about the area and the fact he talked about the Rails and the curves into the Yacolt and the fact that the rails go right to the place he took me where there used to be a tower that was not there in 1979.

The only thing Duane ever forged was a name on a check or a charge card - evidently since he supposedly was ONLY a thief who robbed hotels, motels, military wives in Bars with their Gov cks! Bar Pick-ups is what I call them and they got what they deserved for running around on their military husbands. I do NOT justify the actions of Weber and I have NEVER been told the extent of the crimes he committed. Wonder WHY? Where are the records and did he have court trials or just appear infront of a judge because he was Bad Conduct discharge and Undesirable. IF Weber had NOT gotten a BAD deal to begin with - he might have been able to have made something out of himself early on. He actually had what it took - as he did prove to himself much later in life....I think he had a lot of good guys on his side at times. Such as our old friend. What the hell could he have done had he received the breaks they give kids today? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger that is NOT really far fetched. What if her Dad was Cooper? What if whoever was with him buried him? What if the car he drove was taken to another location and dumped into a large body of water. Vicky never found out what became of the vehicle. NOTHING is out of the realm as things stand at this time. Her fathers stomping grounds and Duane's crossed paths and the rest of that story I won't tell because U would swear I was making it up. The car just GOT me! Maybe I had read an article about her father and his car before she ever came to this thread. Keep an open mind - at least I am trying to do so. It was ODD U bring up her dad again. I wonder who was buried in that grave paid for and with no marker. I need to find those DAMN papers I got from the cemetary - right now do NOT even remember where it was other than it was in the Washougal area. No longer remember the details about it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have told them give me the minute or even 1/2 a minute and the track is with the wind in the places Duane took me to. Just a little to the east and a little on the time to the north and u then can get the landing zone with the wind....the places Duane showed me the tower that was not there and the larger tower you could see from a long way away. The small tower that was there in 1971 and not there is 1979 was a resting refuge, because he said he hid something behind the shed. Obviously the shed had a shovel in it and he buried something behind the shed. From the road we entered a dirt path to get to this tower that was not there in 1979 but the growth in the low area - Duane pointed at there was a track and the low point used to be a logging road - I guess to the tracks. But beyond that logging track and beyond was the tower u could see. Not sure my memory is correct on this any more. I might be best to look at my old original post from the early days or my drawing I made from my mind and had NO idea where the location was. Right now I do not remember if the tower on the tower at the point we parked and was no longer there was a light you could see from a long ways away or was that tower beyond those tracks. Mind has gotten foggy on this shit now - I know that my original memory will be more accurate than the cloudy memory of today. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Coming down to the END! Really wish I could REMEMBER all of the little things he told me during those last few yrs, but some of it is just lost to me - I thought it was the disease itself talking. The guys, Cuba, french doors and what was behind them (this was an assasination) and how they got in....when and how. Was he crazy and delusional? IT was just too much detail NOT to be true. BUT, I don't remember all he told me! He said "I know that guy with the rifle" and he even knew what the building was behind him. This was during some report being made on TV regarding the french doors and the man who was killed. HE would talk about the GUYS during the media reports on a big fire in the Mid North West (he knew 2 of the guys there). Why he insisted on seeing it. This is one other occassion he mentioned foresty training. The mysterous trip in 1983 to Memphis - what did he retrive and put in the car and why did it show up in our home and why was he so upset about it being stolen when there were many other things taken? He mentioned in Memphis a place being redone - walking distance from the motel we stayed in...he was gone about 30 minutes...and this was the time he handed me the keys to his Marquis and told me if he was not back by such and such to take the car and go back to Atlanta and he would find me later. IT was an ominous statement. He would find me later. The man he knew who had a business up the street and he had told me about a medicine cabinet in a room upstairs there. Seems like he and his "wife" had something hidden some thing behind it (what he put in the car was wrapped in a blanket and it was the size of a rifle). I know what all of this should mean, but none of the facts known to the public....support the "thoughts" I would have in retrospect. When I go to this part of my memory even I think I am crazy and delusional - but I do remember what I saw. I remember the rifle showing up in the house after he shed the Marquis and bought the station wagon - told me it was a rifle he bought at the market - BULL you do not by that kind of rifle at a market if you do NOT hunt. He had NO need for a rifle. Used to have a scope on it...but the scope had been removed. The rifle associated with this old crime was supposedly found and concluded it was the rifle used in the crime...other had another theory, but like the Cooper crime old storys still float around and get all scrambled. I never understood any of this and let it go, but now that I have to wind things down - I felt I needed to repeat this in summary to those who do NOT know the entire history of my life with this man. That rifle was stolen from our home in 1988 in Fl. The man who stole the rifle was a man by the name of Richard Owens - who had NO idea he might have stolen a piece of history. The man was never found and prosecuted for the crime. Yet, there was a wanted poster for something on him after 2001. Since he scares me I will NEVER approach him to find out what he did with the rifle! OH I have wanted to do so - but if one of U brave souls want to chase him down - please do - BUT do NOT mention me. Just ask him what he did with that rifle! If he still has it - OFFER him more money than he has ever concieved of. Offer him money to locate the rife - who he sold it to or how he disposed of it. Probably sold to a collector or confiscated and melted down. Great looking rifle - would have been a shame! Duane did display his aptitude for being a sharp shooter one time only. With that rifle and with a pistol but I am uncertain at this time the location and date. My daughter I think was with us - but I do not remember where we were - at least NOT NOW! Like you said - I have forgotten many things. Time has taken its toll. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank you, but I am not always kind when I have to make a post to bring the thread back in line. As of late nothing has worked to stop all of the bickering.