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Blevins stated: TO BLEVINS: There YOU GO AGAIN! If U had never have coerced two elderly women and had NOT come here to PROMOTE your book and deter REAL researchers - this case might have been solved yrs ago! Everyone had to muddle thru your promotions - well, it is OVER now! Have U even bothered to call LYLE and see how he is doing? NO, you haven't - U are about NOTHING, but yourself! Have you spoke to the WOMEN U interrogated? Probably NOT! We do NOT have an ICON for putting hands on ears - screaming STOP or PLEASE JUST SHUT UP! PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST. JUST STOP WASTING THE TIME of REAL people TRYING to unravel a REAL CRIME! JO never pretends to know anything about JUMPING, CHUTES, FLIGHT PATTERNS - U on the other hand CLAIM KNOWLEDGE U DO NOT HAVE! U are not qualified to make the statements U make! U cost anyone who read your post VALUABLE time while U PROMOTE yourself! TO THE GUYS: No, I didn't have a stroke. I just had one of my OH DAMN moments! Then I took my medication and made the mistake of making a post. JT detered me for yrs, after I contacted him in 1996. I did little about resources until the FBI screwed up in conversation with me in March of 2000. In 2001 after finding JT had LIED to me from day one - I stopped communications with him. My trip in 2001 was when I found I had been lied to. Basically I relied on others to find articles or information - I did what little I could do in the local library and 2 journalist who did a lot of research for me (one of these I have never spoke about and refused to let her take it public). This journalist is the one who helped me find the Las Vegan article - very few people had ever read or had any knowledge of - even to this day in 2013. Others now have copies of that article thanks to Lowe and her contacts with the Las Vegan. In 2000 she retired and moved out of the country, but DOUG took the BULL by the horns. I went PUBLIC because the FBI really screwed up and I made my feelings known. I do NOT lie and I hate people who lie or deceive or make misrepresentation (especially someone who represents justice and law enforcement). The trip to WA in 2001 - was when I realized I had been lied to by JT. NO reason for JT to have lied to me for 5 yrs about locations I explained to him in detail. I ceased contact with him until he found me on this thread in 2004 or 2005. I contacted JT in the last few wks about something I remembered. ALL of sudden he is promoting the Washougal Water Shed and the deep woods again. He is right back where he started yrs ago - making sure the truth is never known.....my opinion! I described in DETAIL the area with the TOWER and he denied it ever existed. HE knew the AREA I was talking about - I thought maybe I had NOT described it properly. I have gone over OLD records - and the story about the damn Tower that was there in 1971, but not in 1979 - never changed. NOW, that I am back on the chase of the TOWER - he is trying to pull the search back to the WOODS and away from the area I discussed over and over. He claimed in a ph conversation the other day the area was where the SHOE was found and the area was throughly investigated. I want PROOF - NOT JT's word. He wiggles and he squirms when anyone even talks about the area of the TOWER. Is HE or the FBI or someone else hiding something about this area? Is it miscommunications and too many hands in the mix over the yrs? It has been 34 yrs since I was in WA with Duane in 1979, but I remember it like it was last wk. NOW the chances of anyone being alive who remembers it the way it was then and in 1971 are slim. A newpapers article asking for pictorial contributions about old towers and lookouts maybe coming in the near future in a newpaper article or historical magazine. None of those things are even really important anymore, because Cooper died a long time ago. Duane told me about a grave yard and he used to know someone buried there. He did NOT take me into that grave yard. I did tell JT about the grave and that date on the records - very little information and it has no marker. If the man buried in that plot is Cooper - someone had to have buried him! Someone paid for the plot! It was a weird co-incidence - this old record. It was pouring down the rain the day I was there in 2010 - I found no marker with that name on it. Like a good mystery - go to a cemetary! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have thought about this for a long time. Sluggo did work with me but like myself - he was taking the things I said at face value. He offered to go with me on my trip to WA., but it was something I HAD TO DO ALONE. I knew I had be alone with my thought, but I did get lost a lot times wondering around by myself, but it turned out to be a good thing. Someone else driving or distracting me - I would NOT have been a soul mode and I would have been distracted. I needed to follow my gut and to make my own decisions. I am glad I did it this way. To night when viewing all of the map he made for me - the are as pristine as the day he gave them to me, but he like myseld was focusing on WHAT I believe when I went out there. The realization of TIME and Space - it just happned, but I was out of time and money and have not been able to go back. Since then I have had 3 surgeries, but I have never gained backy my stamina, meaning the next trip has to be the last if I even can figure out how to do it. Right now I believe I could go to the area he took me where the circle was and I am sure it has been developed. I have 2 places I really need to go, but I know if there is someone with me it will shut me down. Alone I am able to flow with my memories and turnaround and go back and do it again - or step away and go get something to eat and try it again another way. Bruce will tell you that I am no timid about knocking on doors. People seem to be pretty receptive to old women at their door - even if she does come across a little luney. I mistakenly thought Sluggo was putting the flight path goind over Tena's bar - that is NOT what happened. I studied all of the pages - he stayed East of Vancouver and did Non take the plane Over Tena's bar as other had suggested. I do disagree on that one minute - because I do not see it in real time. One minute and he was right there - but I didn't realize where this site was then. NOW I desperately need to go back and I need to go over the area in a small plane along the route of witnesses and the back over that same route the way the pilot thinks it was done. Need to be done about the same time of day. Might need one of those young Wa guys to pull me in a chinese buggs, because I want to to where I think Weber wen. Thing CHange, but if you know a person you might see what he would have done. I would not be able to move as fast as cooper and why I need a strong young man to pull me in an open light way shaw. I believe I can target his shelter as he made his way to saftey. THEN I have to commit a crime on the second nigjht I have to steal a boat and go back the PDX. There won't be an old building there , but maybe the ownaer will allow us to stay for a while and what and where he could have gone to see the things hs hew. TWO (2) places I need to be along for a part of the night. There is a place in the "Dalles I hav to go to." I want to take asteem boat up the rifer. Then to Spokane where I heed to see wha hedidn therel Article with pic need t be ruj with his jamelll Hope I iw find whag ai am lookin for ther is ayoun man in prison out there I woan;t to spend so time wit. I need to go to on the river. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have been going over the flight path - the marker and the things Duane pointed out to me. I argued the flight path was off. It is 2 miles off at the Toledo point....North East, South and West. The path is off also in its placement on the map. No one accounted for the missing 1 or 2 minutes - the flight path is off in the North and South Placement. How many miles is that? Put the flight path on a plastic shield and then move its position just a little North and a little to the east. Move that flight path a little East and North. ONE minute is several miles. This means the curve to the East happened just before or after Amboy. Witness reports put that plane to EAST of Ariel and in the Chelatchie Area. The Co pilot put the plane to the EAST of certain designation. He had not flown that route before. I have my left eye taped open and my left arm hurts. The eye has been a problem that has gotten worse over the last couple of yrs. Nothing to worry about. I knew Duane's temper and I knew it well. I know what he did understress. If he realized the front pack was a dummy he raged. He threw things. Ripped things up. The placard may have come loose when the Aft stairs went down. Move the fricking path - 2 miles to the EAST and North. How much time is that? One Minute or less? I do not know how much the winds at that time factored in but do not think it would account for 2 miles - a fricking 2 miles. I have never understood the wind factor and which direction he drifted. We do NOT know how long he went into freefall - the count down - Miss 1, miss 2 and do not know what the rule of thumb was for a pull. Look in Spokane. I remembered Duane talking about this count down, but not the circumstance or when this conversation took place. Senario: He threw things out before he went down the aft stairs hoping to see a land mark. Note the two Paralled power lines - something he stressed to me in 1979....but not as part of "other" things he had mentioned earlier that day. The Grist Mill/ cemetary and place card are not mentioned until we were going up the interstate later that after noon. He had probably read about the finding of these items. Duane threw things when he was mad.I have a feeling this rage is part of the secrets Tina holds. The currents pulled these items in a circular motion - they get caught in up drafts or down drafts. Question what the hell did he do with the briefcase - did he dump that or hold on to it - it had his prints all over it? He is on the lower part of the AFT Stairs hoping to see a land mark - he doesn't let go until he sees something - perhaps only a reflection of light below the clouds. He knew were the paralled power lines where - he knew where all of the major lines where located and where they intersected. Towers and airports and cemetaries. ODD how or why he pointed out every cemetary and gravel pit and airstip. Does NOT anyone other than myself find that ODD? "we flew out of" who is WE? He goes for it and the aft stairs makes the pressure bump. Remember I have spoke of Gantham Rd. /Fargher air strip in the past. The winds carry him - perhaps a gust pulled him north for a few moments 3 to 5 fricking miles to the EAST -The Plane was further EAST as it went South. He lets go some where below Fargher and the other airstip to the East of there. Wind pulls him even further to the EAST. Once he orients himself he is on the move in the dark of the night. I am trying to say take the flight path and move it to the north and the landing site is dead on ... one fricking minute. I wish I had some clear plastic to sketch the flight path on and then put it push it north and east... by ONE ficking minute and then you will know why I have fought this battle so hard. The fight path is off by ONE FRICKING minute. Move the flight path up and to the east and it supports the witness testimonies. NO one from the other locations ever tried to contact me. Every sitings I have is EAST of where this map puts the plane. ONE FRICKING MINUTE! Someone lost a minute - how much difference does one minute make? Sounds like there are individuals that deliberately altered the path time...why? Perhaps they OVER analyzed things! If one is going to move it with time - go both ways. Relay time / actual time / - hell it was a skyjacking! I know someone explained this before - I still say ONE minute. The original path and the new path - one minute is all that separates them and because of the curves the plane made - it sure as hell changes possible landing area. If they moved it just right - you could put Cooper in a volcano! Well, almost - was that what the co-pilot was thinking - remember they let him make decisions and he really wanted to dump Cooper. If someone is holding gun to your head - and you have a chance to get him first - wouldn't you do the same thing? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Remember the DUMMY pac Cooper either used or took with him. Since it was Dummy it would have been packed with old JUNK! Am I right or wrong - THAT is the only thing that makes sense if the ID on the chute was correct. Considering the person who examined the chute - has told several different stories and his credibility has been question - WHY I make that statement. We do NOT know what happened to the Dummy chute or what it consisted of. The Dummy was a front pac, right? This means it would only have been used if the Back Chute didn't work. Right? Remember I have never be close to a chute except at the museum and it was still packed. As for open chutes - all I have ever seen is pictures. Excuse the DUMB ole lady question? If Cooper took the Dummy or threw it out of the plane before he jumped - where might it be? Doubt he threw it out! Doubt he had enough time to repack the money into the Dummy and then lace it back up. Bet he used it when he got to the ground - protection from the elements...guess it could have acted as a rain and wind barrier. I don't know. The question are for u 377 not for Blevins! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

All developed and I can't find the rails - do NOT even know what I am looking at. CAN some one mark a map of the site where the chute was found and give me the names of the roads so I can find it on my old bk and wht maps? My mind wants to think the location he buried something behind a shed where there used to be a tower - is much further South than near Amboy. I am not a judge of distance unless I am there and moving about of my own free will. After 30 plus yrs - this is impossible unless I have old maps before the developement. If anyone has the capabilities of marking the site on a blk and wht simple ground map - please do so. Just something I have to explore. I will note the dam is very close to all of this - he told me about dam with a light you could see from a long way. I always felt if he was able to see anything from the air it would be the light on this damn - but I do NOT even know what DAM I am seeing on that pic. Aerials make everything seem so close...very confusing to someone who has spent their life on the ground and not in the air. I do not have wings and my memory does not have wings. I just want to find where that damn tower and shed used to be even if it means diddle squat to anyone else. I just want to put actual locations with my memories of the things he showed me. The furtherst N. we went in this area was just above Amboy where the airstip was to the North East of Amboy...and then he looped me back....but he did NOT even use a map and all I have is my memory....which is scrambled and doesn't count for anything at this time. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

With NO markers and not being able to move into this site - I cannot make heads or tails out of the map of the Amboy area. I can see the shape of the road and how they turn - and if I am right they match my blk and wht with the angles of the road. NO IDEA how to read that damn map. HELP! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I HAVE NOT PROOF READ WHAT I TYPED BELOW AND I AM VERY TIRED. PLEASE DO NOT HOLD ME TO A POINT OF ACCURACY ON THIS - BUT IF I FEEL LIKE IT LATER ON AND ONE OF YOU REMIND ME I WILL TRY TO CLEAN IT UP SO IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE! Good Night - and I some of you really try to understand what I am trying to say with this SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY, I have out lined below. The other song he used to sing so well. [/RED] GLUP! I had to swallow real hard on that one - WHY? Because the area I need to go back to lies between the two! Whew! I am sure I will wish I had never said that, but I do not usually eat my words. Starting at the top: Duane pointed out an airstrip NE of Amboy. He pointed out the Farghur airstrip. Not too far from Heisson and East of Amboy is the approx location of the places he took me to - the tower and the rails. Note the old Lewis & Clark RWY but that goes to Yacolt - we did not go there. He did tell me about the rails that went thru Yacolt and back into Heisson and into Brush Praire. Talked about how Curvey it was. This rail goes very close to the Heisson store/P.O. A place Duane took me to in 1979 and a place I found again in 2010 and knew I had been there. Both times I used the bathroom but the 2010 it was closed to the public and I beg to use it. They did allow me to and then I REMEMBERED it. I had been there before...same bathroom. The sitting area just to the left of the front door. In 1979 there was a baby pen there also. When we were there in 1979, Duane made a trip behind and East of the store - I believe it was this particular side trip that took me to the place the tower used to be. This was EAST and NORTH of Heisson. There is a loop there and somewhere within this loop was our venture in to the woods to a a circle where there used to be a tower and a shed. Problem I have with this is I do not know which direction we were going in - as the road loops. Because it loops with the rails going thur it - I could have been looking North or I could have been looking South from the clearing. According to the map one direction - I am looking at rails, tower and Yalcolt Mt. and if I turn the map I have the same senario looking South to rails and tower. See what I mean - I have to get on a plane and go to WA. How he get from there to the power lines and pipe lines I don't know - but, he knew very last one of them. I think he went back to the rails and jumped a car - expect he put the pump car off at a switching station - do NOT know were that would be - but the workers using the pump cars had to have places they could go off when they were doing work while trains were scheduled. My own personal thinking of what Cooper did if the route I believe he traveled is correct. It fits much of what he did show me and combines with the dreams and other things he said over a 17 yrs marriage. Chelatchie and Healy Walk the rail or jump a pump car to Amboy. NO one has EVER told me where the chute was found but I can bet it was NOT found in AMBOY, but near the rails . Perhaps he used the chute for cover if he was cold and wet - he had to move with the night as far as he could go - the only way to do that was follow the rails...definitely not the highway or well traveled road. I remember twice when Duane was complaining about how COLD his feet were - he never wanted to be that cold again. Stands to make sense - his feet are wet but he had to keep going. He has to find shelter and dry clothes or warmer clothes. He finds a pump car and hit the rails - but again he has to take shelter - he had to get out of site. He knows where he is and where he is going - He is watching for the towers. He sees the two towers and knows it is time to get on the ground again. He knows they will be watching the rails - he has to get off of them ...and take cover. Not sure where he did this, but I believe he made it to that tower and shed. He buried something behind the shed - obviously there was tools in the shed. I would be willing to bet there might have been clothes or other apparel in the shed or in the tower. He has to go toward the signal towers - the lights - he can travel only in the dark - he knows were the pipelines are and the power lines - he has not made it that far. He knows he cannot go back into Vancouver - he has to get off the rails - I think he did this around Brush Praire - because he knew the pipelines and the power lines would take him to a place he knew he could hide for a while. The pipeline goes all the way to the Washougal, but he is not going that far. As he approaches the old Bonneville Camp he knows his way in the dark. There is a bridge or something - can't remember what he said (on out trip he was going north and I am trying to back it up and take the route he took to safety - so I am working backwards). Mention a fence or something and you can see another tower at this point to the North West - that would be Green Mnt. near Hwy at NE 58 st. He knows that area well and takes refuge there. The Ledbetter Mansion is not to far from that location and he knows the care taker....how long he took refuge in that area is unknown, but eventually he goes RIGHT back AT them. Change of clothes, dye washed out of his air - managed to obtain food and clothes by breaking and entering a house along this route. Didn't take anything anyone would miss except the watch fob. Probably a gift to the husband from the wife. Don't know if that is true, but it makes for a good twist anyway. He makes a phone call and arranges for someone to help him out, but then maybe he takes a boat from the marina and GOES right back at them to the PDX. He knew about a house on the river and he spends the next few days - watching all of the commotion going on. His transportation shows up and he is on his way to California - to spend some time with his sister who lived only 12 miles from where one of the letters was mailed. WELL, maybe - maybe not - This is the best I can do piecing together thread and its and bits of his story and what he showed me and what I found that match the things from the 1979 trip. We'll Never Know if We Don't Know Now! Life is a Bitch and then We die! I was told NOT to writer this - but the DEVIL made me do it! How much of it is True? I am just connecting the dots of the stories he told me and putting them together and perhaps NONE of the dots connected in the first place, but I would not bet on it. Duane told me about his life in 3rd person and I have retraced that trip as well as I can as Bruce would put it REMOTELY - except I don't believe in things like that. I have taken all of the memories and applied them to the best map I could find and the DOTS do Connect. It has ALL been sitting infront of me for yrs - but, I could look at it again in 3 yrs if I am still around - and I might tell a altogether different story! What This is - is a refinement of the story I told yrs and yrs ago with NO map to guide me and only my memories. I do not even remember what I told before - because the only way I keep this is in my head. I do learn new things and I never felt driven to sit down with this map as I had used the other map as rudimentary as it was for yrs. This is a GOOD map put together with my memories of 2 trips - that is all. Does it mean CRAP - not if you talk to the FBI, or JT or Bruce or some the people in this thread, but it is the best I can obtain from my memories of 1979 and my trip of 2010 and this map. I have done the best I could do to put this in words what I hope someone can understand and comprehend! I could die in my sleep tonight and know that I had done the best I could do....with 2 trips and old map and this map I purchased at the Heisson store in 2010. It is the best I have and no one has been able to get me old 1979 maps of these same areas or 1971 maps of these same areas. Georger - U need to make a trip before the treasure seekers stip it out - it there is anything left to find. I am telling this because I cannot continue the hunt. So if you guys don't know now You WILL never know! Would appreciate it if some one could find that song on a disk so I could play it. I have never been able to find a recording of it. Duane told me that someone recorded him singing for a demo, but do NOT know what was on the DEMO or who did it. Probably Doc Severinsen back in 1945 in The Dalles. Waiting has been to long coming and I am tired of waiting for someone else to GET it! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

U guys can search all you want, but I have very specific places I would like go with just a handful of old timers who know the areas well. Guys who know what the areas looked like in 1971 and 1979 and how they look today. GOOD maps and lots of old photos. I can't advertise for these because there would be people who would be crawling all over private property. I don't know is it is still owned by the paper people or privately. There are several locations. I want to pinpoint where the tower was and where the shed was and HOPE it has NOT been developed and then if so find the developer and find out if his guys reported anything out of the ordinary in the preparations. Probably NO way to accomplish this other than to go back and find the areas I remember and stay there while it goes public with every newpaper in the area. I should have done this YRS AND YRS ago. It would be futile at this late date. BUT, miracle happen - I know that. Would also worry that happy go luckies looking to make a name for themselves would volunteer false info as was with the TAXI Driver Jerry was so smug about in the newpapers and local media many yrs ago. I wish I was younger and healthier - I would walk the area just like I thought he did it in 1971 and using the land marks he provided in 1979 (but, I have to find the damn things 1st). I am sure the changes would be overwhelming even for Duane if he was still alive today. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

MY MY Robert. I am an old woman who has a hard time seeing the screen and I compose my postings as I put them on the thread. I have a very difficult time seeing the posting screen and might not see my mistake until I have made the ACTUAL post. Then I go back and correct it - usually just bad grammar or misspelled words or it just doesn't sound the way I intended it. You KNOW the OLD SAYING! OPEN mouth - INSERT foot. Must have been a REASON U reacted so QUICKLY to that POST! I frankly do NOT know if I changed the wording or not! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

MY my Robert, I do NOT believe I said Duane was going to BLACKMAIL the man - just that HE did NOT want the MAN to see him. I asked WHY? Would this man have KNOW Weber from the PAST? I just want answers to the QUESTIONS! Who the man was and how he was connected to We ber????? The FACT Duane wanted to go thru Salt Lake and TAKING this photo was HIS only objective in doing so MAKES IT VERY important! Who? When? Why? Who manufactured all of the above planes that crashed? I don't have a clue. They are just plane crashes to me. I may have known before, but I have forgotten (old lady syndrome). WHY Cooper chose N.W. Airlines IS NOT RELEVANT. Cooper CHOSE the BOEING BECAUSE he knew it could be jumped from the AFT STAIRS. Did the man in the Picture also know the plane could be jumped and maybe this man knew Duane by sight, but NOT by name! YOU think, Robert? U are the one who DOES not THINK before U reply to my posts! Why so JUMPY, Robert99? WHY do you take very statement I make as finger pointing? VERY good QUESTION? WHY do any of my remarks agitate you? AS I have stated before I know little about planes - you are a retired pilot - maybe? Or are U something else all together? How old did you say U were? If I remember correctly - too young to be Cooper! SO why do U get so upset about certain subjects - are they things I am not suppose to know or talk about? Robert maybe YOU are the man in the pic or maybe Georger? Someone knows who the man was! WAS the man a FORMER Boeing employee? NOTE these are ALL questions - NOT statements of FACTS! WHY do you think the WAY you DO? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Boeing had several fatal crashes: . * 08/16/65 Chicago * 11/08/65 Kentucky * 11/11/65 Salt Lake * 07.19/67 Henderson N.C. * 01/18/67 Los Angles CA * 09/21/67 Mexico Remember the PHOTO taken from Salt Lake City - it is posted below. Was this MAN related to some one on one of those flights? Why did Duane NOT want to be seen by this man? Who was this man? Duane had an agenda to meet when he went to Salt Lake and then on to WA. Was a relative of this man on a flight to or from one of these locations. A list of the victims of the Salt Lake and the Los Angles flights might give rise to something very suspicous! Nothing anyone thought to look for - NOT even the FBI! Not even myself! The Salt Lake photo has bugged me for yrs and yrs and it is time the FBI looked at WHY Duane went to Salt Lake and WHY he wanted a pic of this man! Why Duane did NOT want this man to see him! WHERE did Weber KNOW this man from? What was this mans connection to Duane Weber? ANSWER that QUESTION and U might solve the case! Again the picture of the SALT LAKE MAN 1979 - DUANE did NOT want to see him. A picture he needed? WHY? Blackmail? Had to be A REASON Duane did NOT want the man to see him and a REASON why Weber wanted a photo of this man? The reason on the part of Duane was NOT revenge! So do NOT even go there! WHY would WEBER want a picture of this man, but NOT for this man to SEE him? THAT is the question! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The land I saw in 1979 was probably owned by a lumber company. The tower was gone. Back on the paved road the property on my left was fenced and cleared. 2013 - I expect the land was cleared and sold for development. Probably small farm or perhaps a golf course or other development. It would still probably be rural - because I did NOT know were I susposed to be in 2010. NOW I know and I do not know what is there NOW! JT could never get this cleared for a search - Wish I could get on a plane and go back - since now I know where I was supposed to be - but I only figured it all out the last 3 days I was there and could NOT afford to stay any longer. JT claimed the area was gone over with fine tooth comb and that the area I question is where they found the shoe! I want proof that area was the place the shoe was found in and I don't mean from JT. JT miss led me before and he will mislead others in the future. Even when U explain something in detail on the phone - he still doesn't get it. If I could find some old old maps of that area, I believe I could get with in a 1/2 square mile of where the tower used to be. Find out where the tower used to be and then go straight ahead but very slightly to the left and then go forward for a good 1/2 mile or 2 and U will find where the track used to be. When you find the track Stay on a line from the tower and you will find where there used to be another tower (that particular tower might still be there). Since I do NOT know which direction is which - there are 2 possiblities. Triangles and put 2 triangles together and you have a marquie. I have told enough to JT for him to find whatever Cooper may have left behind if the ravages of time and development have not completely devoured it. Frankly I believe Cooper did GO back and retrieved what he buried - but he did that yrs later. Remember he wasn't thinking DNA back in those days! Just fingerprints. NOT one soul has ever pinpointed the location of the Amboy find - NOT one! Why keep this a secret other than to keep Cooper hunters off of private property. How would a search over come that obstacle? If I can get good maps of 1971 versus 1979 - I can pin point the tower location and the shed! That is a given! Need good old maps dated before 1971 and then dated afoter 1979 and also a current map of the same area. Bet there is a farm or development there now. The land was FLAT (or slightly rolling). Doesn't mean the land 2 miles away was flat! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You mean Thursday Morning - oh my! I wish you well on this journey. Had surgeries but NOT on my heart...not yet anyway! Will be thinking of you! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Without going into any detail I do NOT understand, I will simply state - this. Depending on what the plane was used for - they did have plane to ground communications. Back in the day when they surveyed property from the air - they had ground contact - how some of the decent maps of forestry areas were made. Smokejumper planes had Ground Contact...and one of the jumpers carried a radio to the ground with them. There was one story in a book where they had to work at making the equipment less bulky for the jumper who carried in the communications. In certain situations the planes had CB to ground contact - it was escential for the forestry and the smoke jumpers. Map makers (not really sure what they did, but they did communicate with the ground at trianglulation points...with the ground crews). So 377 - you need to talk to some old timers in surveying and jumping into fires. Evidently Duane had his system set up to be able to communicate with plane - because it actually happened and MORE than once. Perhaps the system he had was modified by himself or the person who installed it. I just know that one man who did some work for Duane could NOT understand why HE had the system he did. It was NOT a system normally used even by truckers. I wish he was still alive and I wish I had understood more about what he was talking about so I could explain it. I had to see this man about something else (for my work) and I mentioned he had worked on my husbands CB. He was the one who mentioned how different it was - perhaps even being illegal - if I got the drift of it. THis was after Duane's obtained the John Collins Id. in 1990. That ID still has me puzzled - how or why the FBI missed checking to see if he had alread acquired the license. It was the John Collins Id in the hidden wallet - and it was REAL! The receipt for it was there - had been obtained the same day he tried to obtain the one in Santa Rosa County. The FBI looked STRAIGHT at this DL and did NOT get it. The receipt was in the wallet - replacement of lost license and yet Duane had a drivers license for Duane L. Weber. There was so much the FBI just did NOT catch it all. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Hard to believe NO one ever looked for the REASON Cooper chose Portland and the flight that was chosen. Just does NOT seem random other than Boeing 727's flew out of it and he was familiar with it. Why did Cooper choose a flight out of Portland? How long did it take him to find a location that particular Boeing was flying out of? Was it simply because he was familiar with the area? Was he involved in something over the past regarding the area - I think he waited to last to board because he wanted to make sure NO one boarded that might recognize him. No one is trying to make a board game out of this - I hate games. I frankly believe his choice of location was a clue to who he was. Duane was more than familiar with the Boeings, but he would not have been affected by the lay offs. He did have family directly involved with Boeing and also friends....but of no importance to Duane. Hughes Helicopters? I do not know enough about that to comment because I do NOT know how deep Hughes involvement with Boeing was. This was mentioned in a couple of conversations, but I just didn't understand it or why the conversation transpired in the first place....it was a discussion between the guys and I am of course a girl and stuff like that did not interest ding-a-lings. Some of the things I listed came up in conversations during our 17 yr marriage....but in no detail. Why the mention of St Louis has any bearing on the past of Weber I do not know. Just did! Needless to say the mention of Collins and Radios - is why the re-organiztion was of interest. Duane's continued interest in communications and his knowledge of them...it was not just his communication system, but his friendship with air traffic controllers...and his knowledge of the stuff. He had to have been exposed to communications more than the average JOE. Would this have become an enviromental issue with the disposal of recyle waste. Hardly seems likely - since his throwing a paper bag in the River was NOT out of the ordinary. Perhaps it was because he worked the area when he was imprisoned there in 1940's. Maybe he fell in love with the area - and figured it was a good place to die. Some of the names seem familiar. Perhaps because they are just common names and names in my research of the area. Wilson, Thornton ., 1943-1987 Atwood, John Leland "Lee", 1934-1978 Kindelberger, James H. "Dutch", 1934-1962 Hughes, Howard Jeppesen, Elrey B., Jeppesen & Co., 1934-1974 Stearman, Lloyd C., Stearman At least it was constructive to me, but since U guys do not seem to think it is of interest, perhaps that was the mind set of the FBI in 1971. Pehaps they did NOT look hard enough to find out why Cooper chose that specific area and that specific plane! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Just some facts and trivia for the most astute of you to sort thru and find correlations to skyjacking subject and perhaps motives. We are all aware of the deductions before 1971 that resulted in all of the lay-off. But what I want you guys to do is to find a correlation for reasons - it there was one - to choose Portland and Boeing! Go back into the known history of all of the suspects - any one known or unknown! If there was a grudge it was specific to WA and Boeing! It was more specific than the lay-offs.

Glad U brought that up. I wanted to do so, but decided against it. My posting in response to BK gets him on a roll. BK told me repetitively the packer of the reserve put the boots in the reserve. He implemented many individuals. Cooper had NO idea where the FBI would obtain the reserver from. Tina did NOT observe Cooper changing apparel. YRS ago - prior to 2000 I knew squat about jumping and could not dispute this man on the phone who claimed to know so much? BK caused the FBI to back away from Weber and FAST! Of course it was BK's tales that caused them to step back - and say "HANDS OFF - we don't touch this with a ten foot pole!" Until BK backed off a little and then his posting in the thread caused other to realize what I had put up with for YRS. I believe this is when the FBI decided to take a second/third look at Weber. If I told the truth about BK - was I telling the truth about other things? One could look at the other side of the coin also. If I swallowed BK's story - does that mean I also swallowed Duane's story. Big difference - Duane spoke in 3rd person about his past - I did not know the stories he told were about himself. NOT until this thread - infact NOT until the ST.PETE article surfaced in this forum. I suspected it, but had NO proof....then it hit with a ton of BRICKS. Duane had told me about his past - but, in THIRD PERSON. The story he told me was about someone he knew. He could NOT tell me these stories in 1st person, because then I would suspect the truth! See WHAT I mean. The old saying - I had Dumb Blonde Sydrome. Now women want to be Blonde (never figured all of this out - why women want to be blonde). Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

In my exchanges with BK I told him about the statement Duane made in the Hosp. "I put xxx K in a bucket and can't find the bucket". This was the day after Duane confronted the Dr about being removed from diaylsis and they decided to move him to SNF Duane was NOT moved to SNF unit that day, but the following after noon. He was still in the hospital room that next day when his friend came to see him. They had started him on the morphine after his outburst with me the day before (when he told me he was Dan Cooper). She heard his ramblings and asked what he was talking about. I explained it started the day before when he confronted the DR. He had refused any pain medication for a couple of days...as Duane was skilled enough to point this out to the Dr. & Administrator to make them aware was incontrol of his facilities. Then as soon as they left he had to talk to me - but, I didn't get it and he got mad at me - hell I didn't know who Dan Cooper was! It was at that point the Morphine was started. The next day when his friend came he was rambling and she asked what he was talking about. Putting money in the bucket and couldn't find the bucket. This story gave BIRTH to BK's story. I told him about the bucket ramblings and then months later (would have to go to my notes to be entirely accurate) BK started with the milk can. I quickly pointed out to him that Duane did NOT say Milk Can. In relating to BK's story to me on the phone - I told him about us passing dairies (but that was in the Washougal area). Then later he is claiming Duane put the money in a milk bucket - ONLY after I told him about a place in Washougal where Duane and I pulled up in front of the house. Duane pulled up in front of a house and told me he knew the people who lived there and they had 2 sons about his age. The building in the front was made of cement block and I am the one that assumed it was an old milking station, because I would see cattle in a field to the East of the house. This house is NO where NEAR the RIVER - it was on Lake Lacames. Bk later claims there was a milk bucket and a diary on the river (there WAS no dairy on the river - PERIOD. This is how BK's mind assembles and builds stories. I tried to argue with him the first time he said that and tried to relate what I related above - BUT BK was unrelenting. Why I ceased communications with him - I realized this guy had a problem. I did re-establish communications with him after I moved, but he was still stuck in some other world. My husband noted I was agitated after talking to the man and told me NOT to contact him - as the man obviously had a serious problem. I would call him again after my husband died in 2007 and it was the SAME old thing - he had NOT come back to earth. I have copies of emails I sent after 2000 to BK in which I BAITED him to see where he would go. I would copy the email to Doug highlighting the BAIT in caps or color. He did NOT always take the bait, but when he did it would be several months later when he would recite a twisted version of the bait and swear it was the truth. How the one legged man was born - that is a very private joke with me. Suddenly BK claims McCoy supposedly lost a leg to cancer. The man I knew with the leg missing was in 1979. He was NOT McCoy! Yet, BK posted pictures of "his McCoy" who was a wrestler!!!!!!! It just got TOO CRAZY for me, but I did try to be kind. He started to hound me in threads or sites I would visit - I would say it was a form of Stalking! When I mentioned the Caretaker on a thread - this is when BK showed up as CARETAKER AL. This came from a story Duane told me about the Ledbetter farm in Washougal. Duane had mentioned he used to know the caretaker there. So BK decided he would be CARETAKER AL. Now you know the story about the Milk Can which never existed and the fact that one could classify BK as a stalker of sorts. From the stories he told here - I am 99.99% positive he never ever knew Duane L. Weber or John C. Collins. IF he did HE needs to present his PROOF - PHYSICAL proof now or forever hold his tongue. I am positive I told this story in the past to this thread. Look it up and let me know if I changed the story to any serious degree. I did try to be more specific, hoping the man understands I this needs to stop. IF he can PROVE it - Do it NOW...! No bull, No story, No riddles - PROVE it. HE WON'T because HE CAN'T! The emails were on a computer that crashed but, I HAVE HARD COPIES! I do not have any proof other than my notes I kept in my planner prior to 2000. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I CANNOT believe Blevins actually wrote a book about Cooper without reading Tosaw's book. No WONDER the thread had to rewrite part of Blevins book regarding the actual accessories Cooper had and used. Do YOU guys not feel a little resentment that this writer would actually do a book without doing the research? THEN to brazenly try to CONTROl and USE the thread for promotion of his story? Wait about 15 minutes after I make this post & he will produce another boring repetitious post for promotional purposes. He will mention the title of his book & the name of the publishing company - and recite word for word more of the boring things from his book, we have read and heard 100's if not 1000's of times from him. Blevins needs to put in his advertisements - something about the DZ and acknowledge U guys for all of your help with the technical issues involved in his book regarding the apparatus used and other things. He wrote a book without knowledge of the basics and without doing the research regarding the crime! Unbelievable! This man has the gall to whimper and complain that his contributions and postings are NOT appreciated! Whew! Blevins should NEVER have admitted he did NOT read Tosaw's book. IT showed me exactly what he is all about and I do not have to repeat my thoughts! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience. Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card. At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden. 377 Interesting. I thought Tina was a witness. What was Ckret's version ? I don't give a HOOT what Ckret's version was - he did NOT speak with Tina, but Tosaw did. Maybe U should give the man who wrote about Coffelt a call! I can ask him the question for you if you wish. On the rare ocassion when I have called him I am afraid someone else will answer the phone and say "I'm sorry he died about 2 hours ago." Such was the case with Duane's ex-wife and she had BEGGED for my address when I spoke to her about 2 months before that Veterans day in 2004. Now I will never know what she had to send me! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

So where do U get your information? I am NO mystery, I am an OPEN book. Why are U here and WHAT are U getting out of this? The answer to your question will be within YOUR own answers to the same question. I DO not present Technical Information - but, try to keep information regarding Weber up front and I explore with the thread and have been since I started the 1st thread and then Quade had to ice that one and start this one. Keeping information about Weber from being distorted and jumbled (too many others inflect their ideas and statements as being mine). Try to keep the misnomers down! And make sure Weber is NOT forgotten withing the ravages of the new suspects since 2000 when I went public. There was little out there about Cooper prior to my going public in 2000 and since then there have been Suspect STORMs. Blevins. Gray, Marla do not remember them all such as the Taxi driver who everyone has forgotten about and one that JT made a fool of himself about. LARGE NEWS articles. Do you remember Coffelt and the man who pursued him. I do and I am probably the only one here who knows his story. The man had ACTUAL interviews with the witnesses. If he was correct in his information the other night - he spent 2 hrs interviewing Tina Mucklow within the first few yrs after the skyjacking. I had contacted him because Bruce stated something about a watch - in 17 yrs I had read NOTHING about a watch. This man along with Tosaw are some of the few who ever got to interview Tina Mucklow. I have never seen the minutes and dialogue of interviews made by FBI agents and the composite artists and the crew. Have you? The artist was interviewed by Doug Pasternak and he got things from him regarding interviews with the witnesses. ONE specific thing Tina and the others tried to express about the appearance of the skyjacker - something obviously NOT told to the investigators something he was NOT successful in portraying. That was the DAY I knew I really had Cooper all of those yrs and why I have never relented. I finished Doug's sentence over the phone. He and I will NEVER forget that day! NOT ever! It is the little things LIKE history & information that has become buried in the hype - the above is examples of why I am here. . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Suspect Handler Blues! Well, I have had a lot of those, but I usually just roll with the punches! I have been called Crazy, delusional, Off my Rocker and I added obcessive and compulsive. My neighbor said I was just eccentric! I will die of natural causes - I hope! I did have a serious accident that should have killed me in 2000 right after I challenged the FBI. I moved forward - three inches saved my life. I was told if I had survived I would have wished I hadn't. It was bad enough and I still suffer from my injuries. Yes, I am bitter - because the FBI communicates with the likes of Marla, but have not addressed the things I addressed with them. A Syndrom - hardly. Duane did confess to the crime and unfortunately there was NO one to witness it. I was the first person to actually go public with my beliefs - and then came all of the others - Blevins, Marla and others we never knew about. I am not an expert on the Cooper case but I do have to keep the misnomers down on others. The thread spreads a lot of false information or information that gets muddled by too many people. Like the WATCH thing. Bruce claimed Cooper looked at his watch. Himmelsbach says there is NO mention of this...and that Bruce is wrong. Bruce supposedly removed the remark from his site. Georger - I try to be real and do not know all of the story - I like you have never got to read the minutes of what the witness said and didn't say and the minutes of the description they gave. Something you stated regarding the co-pilot indicated you had not read the official reports within the FBI - yet, you are supposedly involved. How will U react if the FBI did finally finger Cooper? Or someone produces the proof a subject was Cooper? Jo is not a handler - just a woman trying to tell what her husband told her and what the information she acqired indicates. What I have seen and heard - not what I co-erced out of someone else! I was married to the man for 17 yrs. NOT one person with the exception of myself, who has promoted a suspect had that much intimate contact with the suspect. Beside that Duane actually told me he was DAN COOPER. He didn't tell me he was D.B.Cooper and there is a difference. If you really study that statement and the circumstances under which it was told...it is a given the last 18 yrs had taken it toll on my emotions and my health. Do you know anyone to could or would have continued that many yrs if that person was NOT fully convinced they had been told the truth. I have always stated that if Duane was NOT Cooper he sure as hell knew who was. What the FBI needs to explain to the public is HOW or WHY they missed the Spokane records on Weber. Strange that tonight I had such a conversation with a gentleman. To me it is all about right and wrong and doing the right thing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight. With Blevins continued promotion of his rights and his story - nothing of value can be discussed. If we are lucky we get a post in that gets a reply. Why the DZ allows this man to continue to monopolize the thread with promotions I do not understand. NOTHING of value can be discussed here, but what it gets buried in the promotions. A lot is going on with the case in WA, but NOT sure it will lead to anything. The grapevine has some "BODY" claiming Weber really was Cooper! Since the source was not FBI and very vague - I just took it for what it was....useless comment with nothing to back it up. Yet, another party spoke with me and it was the same old repetition I have heard before "Weber was NOT Cooper" and claims to be in the loop with the FBI. The drift I got the other day is a TEAM of people (within the FBI) are working on the case at this time. Hopefully the information was CORRECT and the FBI is actually consolidating the files and looking for the things that could have slipped thru the cracks regarding old contacts. I think if the FBI input all the contacts in a computer and all of the facts and misnomers available over the last 40 yrs, the anaylsis system or program being used would CRASH! Computers can determine soil on Mars at one time supported life, but can't solve this old crime! Well, one is a computerized analysis with given factors - the skyjacking is just words and leads called into investigators. Frankly I think someone in the background of Weber has already proven he was Cooper and the FBI is waiting for their information to be analyzed. Not saying the information below is true: Maybe an old roll top desk that used to belong to Weber showed up with 20 dollar bills hidden inside of it. The next statement was true per Duane Weber: His ex got rid of such a desk when they split. Duane was ready to kill, because he didn't know where it went - it had already been hauled off. Perhaps 40 yrs later it has been found - U Think! MIGHT as well HAVE some FUN! We can't post anything useful anymore - all we get is Blevins - REPEAT, REPEAT! Burn his story into the minds of the public readers and the public thru Google, yet - the public does NOT have the information available in this thread. Is the case solved - Nahhh! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

SEE what Blevins does with KEY WORDS. Note he says FBI REPORT! Key in D.B.Cooper and FBI report and see what you get. THERE WAS NOT an FBI REPORT ON KC! BLEVINS HAD TO BE SURE THERE WAS ONE - JUST BECAUSE. Why they collected the information and sent it to the FBI - so a REPORT would result. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: Blevins is a spoiled child who has temper tantrums and gets his way. When he doesn't get his way he makes it miserable for everyone. We all know why he stays here. It is about HOW important he can make himself appear - yet NO one wants to read his recitations over and over and over. Nor do they come here to read your quibbling with him or my having to defend myself. They are a publishing company and key words get HITS! It is free advertisement. What he is doing is destroying the site and there is no production of new knowledge. NO one including me wishes to trudge thru his incentiary post to see what is new regarding Cooper. YOU only ADD fuel to it by replying to his post! We cannot move forward in anyway. The thread is STUCK on Blevins - repeat repeat repeat. He keeps claiming I have NO CASE, yet my story is mostly first hand knowledge from living with Weber for 17 yrs and his confession. What I do have is the results of 17 yrs research. THAT is a HELL of LOT more then his story which he extricated with this same tactic on some very old and vulnerable individuals. He thinks everything revolves around him...just gnore his posts - note, how 377 handles Blevins. If U do not respond and I do not respond - then his post will just sit there and be ignored. When I try to get the subject on explorations of other area - he is the one who CHIMES in. I have ASKED him NOT to reply to my POST, but NOTE he continues to do so and it is all repetition. Do U have anything NEW to present? I don't - just trying to figure out some strange information I received - I won't discuss it in the thread because it is WAY out. I call it ECHOS because it is my own information being repeated back to me in conversations.