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The watches have been done. The mouse I did my self. The knife will need special equipment - so as to show the thread in it and when it is open and then closed...careful NOT to loose any of the material within it! I hope to have them ALL and in the mail to the FBI by Wed of next wk. I WILL require a return reciept to be sure the FBI gets them. If they think the knife is of any merit for Dna and the cord in it - I guess that might have to be turned over to the FBI, but with a guarantee I will have it BACK in my possession is 3month or they can telll me who they want to analyaze it for cord and dna and I will take it to them, but it much be returned to me or to my children in 3 months. The mouse - all they need is the pic I took myself. After the FBI makes a reply - and acknowledges they have the pictures of the WATCH THEN the WATCH will be put on the site along with the mouse. I want to be sure Tina and Florence will be able to VIEW the watch pictures - not just the FBI saying they will. How I will accomplish this I do not know other than to try to get a newspaper to put them on a front page (good luck there). Perhaps someone in this thread such as 377 would be a good candicate and he doesn't live to far from her - to get an appt and have her look at them and the other pictures the FBI never showed her. After that is all done my house goes on the market and I am going to God only knows were. But, I will need to be where there wiil be friends and family. I have started to get RID of thing. I will be preparing to move on, but don't know where or when. I Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I thought the purpose of a GAMING CARD was so you did NOT have to carry large amounts of money on You when you go to the casino. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo, As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight. 377 1978 - with Duane DENVER/ATLANTA 1987 - with Duane FLA to the ISLANDS 2007 - to my last husbands funeral Worse plane trip of my life I assure you I was able to see The ground during the entire trip - that plane was not Pressurized - they told me it was a 727! The plane was old and rickety - was never so glad to get off a plane in my entire life. I gave LITTLE to no attention to anything else at that time. That was a very difficult time & trip because of the circumstances under which I made that trip! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo, As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight. 377 You have the WRONG trip and wrong yr. The trip you are talking about was in 2007 to bury my last husband. This was in July 2007. That flight was from Pensacola to Atlanta where I changed planes. The plane was old and since I have a problem sitting for long periods of time - I stood back behind the galley. I was told it was a 727 and yes - on that flight I was able to see out cracks at the opening in the Galley. I was told it was a 727 - but maybe since the flight from here to Atlanta was short - maybe it was not pressurized. I only know what they told me.... I know I did not like that rickety old plane. It was really OLD. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

On a trip to the Islands Duane and I boarded a 727 in 1987. When we boarded Duane pointed out the wheel on the door and TOLD me how it worked. That had to be opened and he told me about the aft stairs, but do not remember what he said about the Aft Stairs. How did he know that and why did he point it out to me? We also flew in a 727 from Denver to Atanta in 1978 to a friends Wedding. The friend who told me all the WILD stories about when they worked together. They recently had their 25 annivesary so I hope have the yr right On that trip I believe is when he pointed out the flaps and the oxygen. He was really skiddish about one of the stewardess. (Later I found that Florence was flying that route). He did NOT want the woman to see him and I can even tell you what I was wearing on that trip. A suede green skirt and Brown Boots and Green plaid shirt with a crocheted vest. She went to the 1st class area and we didn't see her again. When we went to disembark in Atlanta he held the brief case up on his shoulder and he did NOT want the stew to see him. He told me it was an old girl friend he didn't want to talk to. She was too young for Duane. I got one look at her and she had shoulder length hair with a litte auburn highlights in it. I didn't see her face. (I wanted to know what my competition looked like). I would loved to have seen a picture of Florence during those days. At that time I knew ZERO about the skyjacking or Dan Cooper. Sorry your question about the Aft Stairs made me remember old memories - things I have told before, but perhaps this will the last time I will have a chance to mention them ever again. I am unable to answer the question you asked. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Clearly something wrong with this: She physically showed him how to open the door - so what did she do? Did She GO BACK to the Cabin? Maybe it has been a few yrs since I reviewed the story as told to Tosaw....one of few interviews ever done with Tina. Another thing they were worried about Tina being in the cabin when he fully extended the door - something wrong with the sequence. Did they tell him what to do over the interphone? Or did he figure it out all by himself? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The stewardess where asked if Cooper wore any jewelry. If they mention a watch and a description of that watch - you can BET they sat on that - in order to be able to ID Cooper. You are probably right on the door. We know he could NOT get it open so it was NOT open right off the bat. The stewardess had to show him! I know they COULD not take off with it open and I was reading one of the accounts that claimed the Door was not lowered until they approach the Mt. St. Helens area....I do NOT remember who wrote that. The individual who did was probably referring the lowering of the airway....Even if the door was open I was not lowered - that would have created quiet a drag - would it not? Cooper couldn't get the door to open so HOW long had they been in the air at that time. Do you have the minutes on this? The statement about the door opening and Mt St. Helens is and was in a written document - but I do NOT remember who the statement came from. 17 yrs is a long long time to chase a story...and most of it I keep in my head, other than what I write in this thread. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It is the time line. ONE minute off. I cannot understand the map Sluggo provided me. But, the time is off 1 minute. Door was open as they approached the West side of Mt. St. Helens. If you move up with this one minute it puts the curve the co-ordinated mention Just a little higher. When I do this on the old map I have that move the slight curve that goes to the East just a little higher. When I do this EVERYTHING works with the things I was shown. I do NOT believe the Eastward drift can account for the things I was told and shown. BUT moving the flight path North & East of what You guys are trying to do - shifts everything into alignment with what I know. This includes conversations with the pilot which he kept UN-technical and I cross this with what the witnesses told me yrs ago and it is ALL there - everything I know and was told and saw - even though I had NO CLUE I was being shown things that indicated a landing spot or landmarks. Move ONE minute higher and then everything works with everything I was told and shown. The maps I have I cannot read well. I drew the lines that Sluggo made on clear plastic and move them up less than that one minute and it all fell into place - I did this after he was here, but I didn't know what I was doing. You guys make no sense out of stupid old woman talk - but I could show you what I am trying to say. What this plastic route did was also making the lower part work - when the pilot told me he could see the lights of Vancouver & Portland to his right. The path would be basically the same just move slightly North in the overlay. What it did was put the most Easterly part of the flight near Battleground in line with ALL of the things he told me and showed me - things NO one could have known if they were NOT there. So help me GOD strike me dead tonight if any of you think I am exaggeration or making one tiny bit of this up - I am not. I wish I had the exact route on clear plastic and a map that shows the areas under it and the roads done by a map person - it is ALL there - it IS ALL there! One fricking minute off. Then I move the plastic slightly east and per the map (that is about 2 miles North) and (2 miles East) and every fricking thing matches the place Duane took me and showed me and the things he told me...it is fricking all there. Maybe the wind carried him 2 miles north and 2 miles East - I DON't think so - Some how U guys are OFF 2 miles East and 2 miles west. How much time in that in minutes? Please tell me that much. I had done this yrs ago and came up with the same thing - but NO ONE ever heard me - I am just that DUMB old WOMAN who is a liar and a fantasy story teller. I am NOT. I am the only living person who Duane took back there and he actually retraced his movements on the ground - but DUMB STUPID WOMAN didnt' know he was describing a crime he commited and got away with. Again today - I asked 2 other individuals in their 60's if they had to describe the things they wore when they were about 20 yrs of age - how would they describe items they wore. I asked specifically what they considered jewelry - NOT one of them mentioned a WATCH - A damn watch WAS not jewelry in 1971. They immediately mentioned rings bracelets, earrings and jacket or dress pins/broaches. NO one mentioned a watch. Then I asked them a direct question. What about a watch? Same answer - a watch was NOT considered jewelry unless it was encrusted with diamonds and extremely dressy. A watch was a necessity - NOT jewelry. We didn't have cell phones and IPods with the time on them. Sorry I am on my soap box, but I have to get someone to REALLY listen! Didn't mean to go here just wanted to point out the 2 miles (regardless of how that translates in time on your charts). NO one need answer this - You guys stay on topic, but remember the things I have told over and over. Never forget the things I have told - maybe someday someone will find the answers and I will be vindicated. NEVER EVER classify me as being like KNOSS or Belvins. I have LIVED this nightmare Duane put on me. I WISH I had never FOUND out who DAN COOPER was. These last 17 yrs could have been so different had I never have found out who DAN Cooper was. I never connected DAN COOPER to D.B. Not until the night I read that DAMN book by Max Gunther I am not CRAZY or DELUSIONAL and I never made this shit up. The only thing I have done is chase the theories - the hows and the whys and the suspects. I did not make it to Lake Merwin or Yale lake on my trip - NOW I wish I had made it that far! No Duane did NOT take me there. He just told me about those places - I have not been there. If I have I do not remember it. In 2000 the Crew took me on the NORTH side of the river to Lake Merwin - the water was rough on the river at the motel they did some of the interview in. I told them I had NOT been there and I knew I had not been there. That was my first and only time anywhere near Lake Merwin. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Please Georger - give me two fricking miles to the EAST. Just two miles and tell me the wind drift speed. How far could Cooper drift after the plane crossed the Lake and Just before. The plane was barely West of Mt St. Helens. The Co-pilot wanted to DUMP Cooper! They were NOT flying a straight line - they told the Co-pilot to do what he had to do. The co-pilot knew the aft stairs had opened. He wanted Cooper OFF of that plane. Two Fricking miles at 2011 and the wind drift to the East. Witnesses have claimed the plane was just WEST of St.Helens and then it dropped & came in very LOUD around Kelly Road. (Do not know if the witnesses meant East of West of their location. TWO FRICKING miles and the wind drift - which way was Cooper drifting to the East? Dumb woman Questions! God put that woman in that shop yesterday - WHY! Co-incidence. I think NOT. I think GOD is guiding me right now. Ever since New Yrs eve. The FBI told me twice since then - You can put him in a chute, but you have to put him on the plane. Not much time left - have to finish this now. 2 Damn MILES! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

: I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

kkSj Shutter - JO trys NOT to get involved in the technical stuff other than what I have known and believe to be accurate. Like the ice on the plate. All I need is the short replies made to indicate WHY the statements are made. PLEASE leave JO out of you remarks about Blevins and BK. I am NOT in their category. Recently I only post things I feel you guys need to know or might be interested in. What I think about the flight means nothing in the scientific end to this thing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert 99 Stated: Robert 99 and YOU are WHO. You would dispute the word of Homid! The money found at Tena's bar had NOTHING to do with the flight path! PERHAPS Homid knows things YOU know nothing of! You Think? You pop off at me about things and make ridiculous statements - and I often wonder how much you had to drink before you made such postings. Me I am OLD and I take medication and I DO TRY to stay out of the technical postings. JUST what QUALIFIES you to make some of the statements you make? A few tips of the elbow probably! Did U even read the post about JN. Well, perhaps you should read some of it. I was not feeling well, but I did try to tell about some of the things that have been going on - not that any of that would be of concern to U. The pictures have been made (by a professional) and the cards are being printed so I can send them to the FBI. These should go out by mid wk next week if I do not have problems. The postage will be expensive. NO answer from any of the agents and then the pics go to the media - maybe Tina will see them! Can't tell anyone what the pics are of...damn sure isn't Duane Weber. Perhaps the pic will just make a fool out of me, but it is SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO! Perhaps I will enlist Bruce to make a personal delivery to Tina! Not really, but ONE could be sure she would see them that way. Depending on the FBI is NOT a good thing! U guys were NOT interested in the Salt Lake photos! Well, perhaps U should have paid more atttention! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Shutter Stated: Jo ASKS: Loaded with ice - just where in the HELL did you get that information. No WAY! The temperatures did NOT get to that point at all! Shutter Stated:

I do not know who said what and I edited out things I have no knowledge with which to reply about. What I will reply to the above is just plane old common sense! The stairwell was NOT all the way down until Cooper started to ascend down the aft way! Right? The location of the placard on the plane was where? At the top of the stairwell, inside the plane or inside the encasement? How was the placared attached. Glue or whatever? The answer to these questions will help you guys arrive at the best possible answer regarding the placard. Good Luck! Do not forget that a man and a chute - and the winds were NOT in a straight LINE and they were variable. Remember the weight of this placard versus a man's weight in freefall. This was ALL discussed previously, but think about it again - because of the simulation which I am NOT sure is not just someone playing a game. Since I stay OUT of the technology - I am only offering DUMB woman questions. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What I do know is that Kaye and Palmer indicated the money had NOT been in the water for 9 yrs. ALL I do know is that I was with Weber in 1979 and he went to the WATER alone in 3 places. For yrs I searched high and low for a man by the name of Nuestel, Newsom, Newell - all I could remember was the sound alike names. I found him quiet by chance. This man had tried desperately to get the authorities to provide him with amnesty after reading the articles about Cooper when I went public in 2001 by going to WA and when Margie did all of those articles. When I was told about this man's plight and learned his 1st name - then I remember - how unusual his 1st name was and what they called him ----. I was NOT too far off with the sound of the name. Palmer and Kaye have NOT contended the money was in the river for 9yrs. I was with Duane in 1979 when he made 3 stops and on more than one occassion talked about a man he used to know. I accidently found out who that man was. The man had tried to obtain amnesty in 2000 after reading the articles about Duane Weber. He would later die without being able to tell his story. I did not find this man until it was too late and the individuals I spoke with were NEVER told what he needed to share in regards to Cooper. It was proposed that he himself was Cooper, but perhaps NO one will ever know! What I do know is that Duane and this man KNEW each other and Duane put that money on that beach in Sept of 1979. I believe he also disposed of money right across from the PDX and just a little West of there. A piece of relatively high land that later 4 homes were built on by the time I went to WA in 2001. If that was NOT the exact location it was the next road East off of Evergreen. Who owned those properties? Well, the county records show who owned those properties prior to 1971. Heaven only knows what was in the paper bag - thrown into the water at the base of the bridge where the Red Lion was located. JN may you rest in peace and hopefully there was a written accounting of what you did or tried to do from 2000 until your death. Your attorney has deceased and no one know where your records are and it was my understanding you did NOT tell your attorney what you had to reveal, but that it was in relation to Dan Cooper. You had information and you wanted amnesty. You were denied and told that would have to come from a Federal judge and that the governor of the state of WA could not grant you that amnesty. NOW it is just a matter of finding a picture of YOU and Duane in one place and it then it will be up to the public to decide who was what and what who knew! Cooper was NOT unknown to all You were that Indian boy he got in trouble with. You guys were young way back then and I have never been able to remember the riddle Duane used to say he learn while spending time with you and your family - nor did he ever tell me what you two did that was so very bad. Duane did tell me he could NEVER go back there, but I did NOT know that you were there. Now I have Duane and One Indian Boy, but I do not know all of the story. I have tried to find your family, but had NO luck! Some nut put a different riddle in my mind and it blacked out the riddle Duane told me the 2 of you used to quote - obviously you 2 guys got in lots of trouble... It was your father or grandfather that would recite that riddle everytime you guys did things you were not supposed to do. YEA, guys - you think this a riddle, but it is the riddle that unraveled this case. Recited on an Indian Reservation near Coure d' alene many many yrs ago... NO BK it is NOT your fabricated riddlle. YOU make me physically ill and feel the need to puke! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Tina and I had a very limited conversation and it was not about the flight. I have had several conversations in the last 17 yrs with the co-pilot. He did talk about being able to see the lights near Vancover and Portland and remember he was in the co-pilots seat on the left. HE WAS IN THE CO-PILOTS SEAT ON THE RIGHT! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Tina and I had a very limited conversation and it was not about the flight. I have had several conversations in the last 17 yrs with the co-pilot. He did talk about being able to see the lights near Vancover and Portland and remember he was in the co-pilots seat on the left. That alone sort of contradict lots of things I have read about...but I repeated it in amazement. Maybe he was telling me what I wanted to hear. Maybe I misunderstood, but I do not think so. Yet, the flight pattern as those who would come along yrs later - shifted the flight to the west. Why I was upset about the map that showed the flight going further West - not at all what I had been told and then they changed it yet again. So I have NO idea which plan Shutter is working with. 2 minutes is a lot of time both east and west and north and south in a plane. The witnesses who came forward put the plane more toward the East and then over the last 42 yrs it has change to and fro...depending on who wanted to prove what. Witness reports put that damn plane further East than the map and then push the fight pattern North and you have it dead on! Of course I have NO idea which flight path you guys are working with. There are 3 different maps out that showing the flight path. Each changing it to suit their own reasoning. 2 fricking minutes and the majority of the witness siting are right on target. The Galen Cook witness - well that was all Cooked up by Glacier boy. He likes to lead people into his ideas...he couldn't deal with me! He has so much invested in this he would do whatever it take to prove his angles....even used his own version of my fingerprints story. The sitings along the expressway - some of those could have been the plane that was behind the hijacked 727. Not hardly able to make that mistake with the Eastwardly siting. They may not have saw the plane - but they heard it. Some claimed what the witnesses heard was the search plane. Military wives know the difference between a large passenger plane, a small fast plane and a transport. I have lived around bases for yrs and I can also tell you the difference. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Two minutes off and wind drifts! Cooper didn't leave anything behind. If he did - he went back and retrieved it before he left the area. Go right back at them! Remember that and never forget it. I will never forget that statement when Duane made it. "The only way to get away with a crime is to GO right BACK at Em!" Of course he passed it off as a joke. What he did leave was someplace NO one would ever look and I know in my heart that when he disappeared in The Dalles for 5 1/2 hours that he then retrieved what-ever he hid from where ever he hid it. His excuse for being soiled that day when he returned to the motel was that the lady he went to see - her husband had died and that she asked him to move something for her in the shed. He said there was rotten wood because of a leak. I do NOT know who the woman was but were ever it was he was able to get there and back and retrive something in 5 1/2 hours. Maybe it was an old girl friend, but I did NOT get that feeling. Perhaps he knew her husband had died - the way he spoke of the woman my sense was that she was an older person....and of course now I know part of life I knew nothing about. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Remember the flight circled for a long time - supposedly reported to the passengers that they had to burn off fuel - how long was that? Over an hour! Expect Cooper wasn't thinking about the weather - just the time of day for the jump just after dark. We were unable to predict the weather very far in advance back in 1971! I do not know what 25 KM means. Remember the wind patterns and the placard was light. No one ever reported the condition of the placard. How long after the crime was the placard found? Was it immediately, a month later, a yr later. I do not feel well enough to look these things up. Up drafts, down drafts wind directions and currents. Maybe the placard was planted? Lots of answers for that one. I will tell you that Duane pointed out an old cementary just off of I-4 and there was someone buried there he knew. He only pointed in that direction to the East. He also mentioned the Ole Grist Mill. IT was this same conversation he told me about knowing a woman in Mt. St. Helens in OR and some guys on the Oregon side of the river. I told this story many many yrs ago - LONG before I ever used a computer. I had NO idea what I was talking about or what significance it meant. The Grist Mill and Placard was mentioned in the book Max Gunther wrote and mentioned by Weber - but Duane was not telling me about Cooper nor could he ever have read the book at that time in 1979. The book was not published until 1985. ONE of the major reasons -Duane's confession made sense.... I swear to you guys I have never ever made this shit up. I merrily have recited what he told me in 1979. He did mention a covert on that interstate that went under the highway at the same time he explained the parallel power lines on the East side. He mentioned a park the boy stayed at and a place over on the beach to the West he had worked with the guys on...not sure what that was. After we passed a place about where the Lewis River was when he mentioned 2 towns above that and mentioned a smorgaborg the BOYS use to go to eat. I do not know the yrs he was referring to. It was when we entered an area that was nothing but tree and he told me to take a nap as there was nothing till we got to Tacoma. You see I am like a recorder. I recall things normal people do not, but that was how my father taught me. His way of educating us was to travel and ask us questions and that is how I learned U.S. History. I hated history. My brother who is 18 months younger than myself remembers most of the details of our family trips better than I do. Gives you an idea of how my mind remembered the details of the trip Duane and I made in 1979. I was trained to remember details of trips. Now I will say GOOD NIGHT! Again! I forgot this was just going to be a short post! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You forget I actually have spoke to the co-pilot and Tina! I have spoke to WITNESSES on the ground. Yes, there where DEFINITE openings when Cooper could have got a casting of lights below the clouds. Witnesses just East of Heisson and North of Heisson - (four of them) said the PLANE was very low and the man claimed to see a shadow in above the cloud level. I think he could hear and was looking in that direction which is near 14. Do YOU know what he could have seen during a break at that point? Or NORTH of there. A Dam, A Signal light on a mountain and another Signal light on a mountain just below that one. The damn Marquis I have talked about and why He bought a marquis 2 carat diamond ring. Perhaps you should try to simulate the shifting of the winds and the clouds and the rain! The known airstrips in 1971 are also a part of this - check them out. The wind is a factor and why the placard ended up West of where Cooper jumped. Just reminding you of the SOLID lead that did exist! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Then there is the insert added by Rataczak later - stating 7:45 and Cooper alone in Cabin. Yet, it has been reported and told by Tina at the time of the crime - that she was ordered forward by Cooper and she peeked back behind the curtain as Cooper was putting the chute ON. She has also been purported to state his cutting the cord and tieing the package to himself. If she was in the cabin at 7:45 - SHE did NOT see these things OR the JUMP TIME is WAY off. There are some SERIOUS problems with this time line - Perhaps the notes regarding TINA need to be scrutinzed a little more throughly. If the transcribing of the notes indicate Tina is with them in the cabin - at 7:42 - THERE is a serious time lapse here. HOW much time lapsed from the time Tina went to the cabin and the estimated time of the jump. Remember GUYS I do NOT understand the technical language, but I see a problem with the time line...and the notations involving Tina. They DO not fit the stories told by the Crew. Tina was in the cabin when the aft stairs was opened? Per other reports in the only 2 personal interviews she gave. If the minutes recorded are correct -she was forward with the Pilot and Co-Pilot! Therefore she could not see the thing that she reported. How he tied the package to himself - looking back from the curtain when he told her to go forward. JUST exactly HOW man minute pasted AFTER Tina went to the front of the plane and when Cooper supposedly jumped. Don't use all that technical shit. Those of us who are not military or pilots may not understand that. 7:43 PM Aft Stair particial opened. Yet there is an insert below that is a statement inserted by Bill R. at 7;45 that Cooper is alone in the cabin. I know there was a problem because the pilot or co-pilot asked him if he needed some help and he said NO. Then it was directly after that they felt the BUMP and knew Cooper had left. They made another communication after the Bump and there was NO answer! Something is wrong with this time line if it is supposedly correct: 7:43 or 7:45 - Light on - stairwell lowered! ?????? WHO HOW and why did they insert the last contact time as 8:05 - I know they wanted to know if he needed any help and he said NO very firmly. If 8:05 is correct - Cooper had been alone in the cabin since 7:45. That is at least 20 minutes and then he waits 10 to 15 more minutes before he jumps! Too many after the fact inserts in this record by GOD only knows who. If Coop Waited 10 to 15 minutes he was doing something - but, what! Was he slowly going down the stair way or was he waiting for some kind of signal or land mark to be visible? DID her resecure his package after Tina left - there was plenty of time if the time line is correct. What kind of signal was Coop looking for or waiting for? Simple questions with simple answers in plain old english and normal time - NOT every one is military. The file looks like LOTS of individuals made inserts so this would not be the ACTUAL transcript coming over the communications system! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo Stated: "Robert99"A tie tac was an item use for a purpose such as a watch. Robert99 Replied: Jo, I would have sworn a "tie tac" was used with a tie. Jo STATES! Oh for God's Sake Robert - a tac was used to keep the tie out of the food! Servers, eating, or off the desk or out of the typewriter. Damn things were always getting in the way! A tie without something to hold it in place was a nusiance. PICK PICK PICK! Damn U! Sure am glad I do NOT have a cottin'pickin husband to deal with - you and Georger are enough! Wish there was a place to discuss things without all of the garbage, but the garbage is here to stay! Reminds me of a man who has been calling me for about 3 months. At first he made sense and then after awhile he gets caught up in his own damn story - deliberately or out of stupidity. ME thinks there are individuals in this thread who are actually up to NO GOOD! They are here only to disrupt anything positive that comes along. Why the REAL investigators left the building! AND I do not mean Ckret! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert99 replies: Jo States: I had already retracted that because I was thinking of another similation for a documentary or a movie where it WAS locked. Of course Shutter had something to say about that also.... Robert99 stated: Not sure if flight tests were done with the modifications - but, we will probably not know unless some of the crew is actually still alive or if they even remember anything! Wars have come and gone - and lives lost and memories are gone. One thing is for sure - there were NO stairs - everything and everyone SLID down and out! One after the other - fast! I am not sure the 727 was actually used - perhaps just tested! Do you have verification the 727 was actually used for specific incidents in SE Asia? Also dates of supposed incidents. Perhaps if we could narrow down the dates and time a 727 was used - we could narrow down any suspect list! Well, just a thought, but we have probably already done this in the past! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

MRS Shutter - SO do YOU! You are one of the worse on this thread to deliberately confuse facts and fictions and that is on PURPOSE and U know this. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOUR FLIGHT ASSIMILATION? What is YOUR expertise - other than to insult me? I am for one tired of U insulting me over and over when I TRY to stay out of technical conversations. I just spoke to 3 individuals who would have been approximately 20 in 1971. They DID NOT IN 1971 CONSIDER A WATCH AS A PIECE OF JEWELRY! Therefore had either of these individual have been stewardesses on that flight - and asked if Cooper wore any jewelry the answer would have been NO. If the answer was NO by both Tina and Florence - WHY do they believe that was Coopers Tie? Is not a tie tac a piece of jewelry. NO not by the 1971 standard! A tie tac was an item use for a purpose such as a watch. Earrings or a bracelet or necklace or ring would have been jewelry. Not a watch nor a tie tac! You see when you expel on certain things like this - it is simple to make it complicated. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There was extensive conversation about this and you are right they did NOT lock the aft for the simulation. BUT the Mechanisms were NOT damaged as one of you stated above. There was another simulation decades later - for a movie - that is the one where they locked the aft because it was a real live person jumping. After all of these yrs even I am getting scrambled on some of the facts. Hell, for all I know at this point maybe the complete incident was a simulation! The videos are in this thread - go look at them for yourselves - back when those who knew supported what they said - like Snowmman and 377. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber