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In the case of what I have held back, if I released it to this thread every copy cat suspect out there would be jumping on the wagon. I have been unsuccessful in obtaining pictures of something I consider important. I paid one woman and then she did NOT produce the product (pictues) - She has not even returned my phone calls. I guess she thought I was a crazy senile old woman. Until this is done and it is received and signed for with a follow-up phone call that they have received the package - I cannot and will NOT reveal what I hold. Perhaps what I hold is of NO value and no one can verify its reason for being. I have over the yrs asked very specific questions, but never spoke with Tina or Florence about this. It maybe information withheld in order to identify Cooper or put a suspect on the plane. As Curtis Eng told me 2 times - since Jan of 2013. "You can put him in a chute, but YOU have to put him on the plane!" I started to ask myself what do I have and what else can I do. When I mentioned a mouse to Curtis - you could hear a quizzical and amused sound in his voice when he said "A mouse". I expect this is the most amusement he has ever vocalized in his yrs on the case. After that I vowed to get picture made of the items I have held and send them to the FBI. Besides not finding anyone who would do the photograph for me and my repeated trips to and from the safe deposit box...I was giving up. Then when I saw the composite - I knew this was the last thing I had to do for myself - not for the case....as what I hold may not be significant to the case. I will note that for some reason I have been getting lots and lots of emails or spam (which I do NOT open) regarding one the subjects I hold. This "stuff" is not one of a kind and if I even hinted at or showed interest in certain items - YOU can bet someone like Marla would be right on top of it to produce the same item. NOT going to happen! the only person who has seen them to this point is the woman who photograph them but, then didn't produce what I paid for. Another person I found today agreed to sign a confidentiality statement and produce what I need to send to the FBI...this will take place at my bank tomorrow. You guys know I have a knife that is NO secret and a mouse which 377 knows is no secret and 2 other items, but one of these 2 items I do NOT feel is significant and it was something he acquired after 1971, but to be on the safe side it will also be photographed. ONE thing I firmly believe is that the FBI needs to have the man who bought the van to take a polygraph test. He hung up after I told him the randsom had been paid in 20's. He was unaware of this. I prepared him by telling him that anything that was in that van he owned...be it diamonds, gold or money and told him if there had been 5 20's in that wallet - that even I might have pocketed the money if the other party had no knowledge of the contents. I finished by saying "Did you know that Cooper's ransom was paid in twenty dollar bills?" He said "No, I didnt' KNOW that!" and the conversation was over very abruptly. He told me 2 different stories about the wallet - one when he called me and a different one when he delivered the wallet....which I reminded him of and he did not remember. After all this was NOT a mile stone in his life, his wife was buying him the van so he could use it for flea markets to supplement the income. One has to remember that it was almost 3 yrs after I sold the van that the FBI contacted the guy. This was NOT a major mile stone in his life. There was probably nothing in the van, but I had to approach him since NO on else could or would. What I did should have been the responsiblity of the FBI. To have informed him of the law and to have asked the question, but the FBI didn't do that! I expect the agents who spoke to him did NOT know the ransom was in 20's - they just knew it was 200K. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

In January of 2006 Richard Willing of the USA Today wrote an article about the flawed print system! I am not going to type the complete article - you guys know how to look these thing up. A summary: The FBI was conducting a review of the system that began 18 months prior. The FBI examiners mistakenly matched a print found near the site of terrorist bombings. This prompted the FBI to focus on fingerprint ananlyses it had done in death penalty cases. An FBI examiner compared a Mayfield (not our Mayfield) to one from the bomb sit and declared a match. His erroneous conclusion was confirmed by two other FBI examiners and a consultant. The FBI didnot back away from its stancer until Spanish police matched the print to the correct suspect, the report said. Fingerprints, long thought to be unique to individuals, have been used in the U.S. Courts since the early 1900's. Simon Cole, a professor of criminology at the University of CA said fingerprinting is not backed by sufficient scientifc research. The FBI's chief Scientist, called for more scientific"validation" to improve fingerprint ID techniques and later declared thre was overwhelming evidence prints can be used to make reliable ID's. NOW I want to add my own opinion. What if there was a mistake made in the instance of D.B.Cooper or what they think they have that might be Cooper's print? Has the FBI checked and rechecked Weber's prints with all other known prints of Weber beside the McNeil file. A file which Ckret (an FBI agent) claimed they used. YET in 1998 - the FBI sent me a letter claiming Weber's prints didn't match...not mentioning they only had particials. Then in March of 2000 the FBI agent of record told me Weber had never been in McNeil. He would later retract that statement! Perhaps there is an error on the file - the system was not in full swing in 1945 when Weber was sentenced to McNeil.... DID the FBI never compared the prints of Weber on that file with prints on other files and there were others....yet they used the oldest file they had. Enough of a question here to raise concern. I questioned it then and I question it NOW. Weber's prints - more recent prints - such as the Canon file, the Jefferson file - surely they made NEW prints and did not rely on prints made in 1945. To rely on prints from 1945 when there were more recent prints -THIS method is NOT acceptable. Has the FBI compared the prints made of Weber in all of the files with the McNeil file - surely they would have done this and NOT rely on prints from 1945. Since the FBI used the McNeil file, did they compare the new prints with the old prints...to be sure they ALL matched? If there has been prior glitches in the system - could there NOT have been a glitch in this case? OF COURSE, the FBI would deny that any mistakes have ever been made. But, there have been proven mistakes! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There was a Perlita and I would have to search back into old written records. I was even able to get a picture of the house. It is in all of the feet and feet of records with no order to most of it as I stopped trying to keep it organized after looking for things and pulling them and then not putting them back. Some of it is just STACKS and STACKS of paper that has NEVER been organized by date. Date is just about the only way. I was able to read what you put on the thread - nothing stood out. I was looking for certain names - like Bill Thomas, Thomas Gunn, Tony Wong and other names from over the yrs. There was a Harold/Harry/Harrison who was younger than Duane we ran into in CO. That was the guy with the right leg missing due to cancer. I met him in 1979. Duane and this man had a past - but I do not know what it was. When Duane asked the man what he had been doing and he said he drove for Howard Hughes for a few ys. They talked about Vegas. Not even sure I would know the man if I saw a picture of him. Since he supposedly lost the leg to cancer - I am sure he is deceased. Another guy I look for is a young man by the name of DALE (younger than myself) who I met in New Orleans in 1981/82. A guy with a baby face and very nice...he had known Duane way back and had NOTHING but nice things to say about him. This was a party where 3 individuals attended that I later found were connected to other "things". I just do NOT discuss this part anymore! In a private conversation I would revisit this part of the story, but never felt safe going there...and still do not. Strange NO ONE other than one ex-wife had anything BAD to say about Weber....the one he divorced in 1976. It was an on again and off again 5 yrs I understand. She called him everything in the book and he wanted to kill her....there was a LOT of ANGER there on BOTH sides! Not one other person from Duane's past had one bad thing to say about him - not one! Same for the woman in Ft. Lauderdale by the name of Meier. THAT IS spelled right. They talked about Las Vegas and Duane enquired about her husband. He had to do some time. She was on a very large Yacht and had a very nice winter home there. She was out of Chigago. YEA that Meier. Duane asked about her daughter and one other person by name and commented on the name of the yacht and how appropriate. The name on the boat I could never remember. Yea - you are thinking the right Meier. What did Duane Weber do that he knew these people and they treated him like royalty. Duane and Mrs. Meier took a private conversation on the other side of the large mid part of the yacht while the gentleman who was her pilot or friend talked with me. I now who who the woam was - but not what Duane's connections to her & her husband and family were. Mrs. Meier at that time was very elegant. She was tall and heavy set as she was closer to Duane's age. She had on a designer dress and the conversation at one time indicated she was connected to Vegas dancers or taught dancing of such and designed the wardrobes and outfits. Frankly I was VERY impressed as this woman like so many other people Duane took me around were NOT ordinary people. The conversation I over heard were NOT ordinary! The topics were NOT ordinary. ONE learns a lot by playing dumb or just going along with the flow. Common sense I lack in that dept. Duane took me to the club on the waterway and spent a long time with the owner/manager in the back of the place (a name I now forget, but which I have spoke of before). When he came out I saw him point to me and the man nodded a sign of approval to Duane. I forget the yrs this was now or where we were living at the time. We did NOT have the travel trailer with us so it had to have been prior to 1986. Nothing anyone really needs to know, but Duane had a history I could not understand and it seemed he had a lot of connections with people HIGH up! Not just Vegas! I think Duane was involved in doing some dirty work for a few yrs. HOW or WHY? CAN I prove it! NO! He was just a common thief who always got caught! I guess! I don't know, but his life certainly took a lot of strange turns - good and bad! I did NOT probe into Duane's past - perhaps that is how it worked for him and for me! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The secret the journalist and I kept was the "expression", What we thought was a pursing of the lips when it was actually a motion to retain a lower bridge that was ill fitted or just a temporary. Remember what a TV artist did 10 yrs after the crime when they did a special for a TV program. The artist just could not get what they were telling him - but he got the mouth action. The stews were not describing a widows peak, but an irregular hair line. The TV program just used what they wanted to - remember it was all about production and not actually providing FACTS. The TV composite was NOT even close to the FBI artists composite. I am attaching that old TV program composite - notice the mouth. The stews were very unhappy he used that composite because only the mouth remotely resembled what they TRIED to tell after many yrs had gone by. It is the composite favored by those who tooted Mayfield. Could not find the Mayfield look-a-like composite on my computer by itself. What I did have was a comparison of an OLD prison photo from 1960 and had compared it to what I refer to as the Mayfield/Cooper composite. Have fun with this one, but it is one of the silly things I did to check out everything in my power that came past me. Also note that in the photos of Duane Weber his chin is more prominent than in the 1966 Jefferson picture....and an ill fitted denture makes all the sense in the world. He had a chin when he had teeth in place - and the way that man loved to sing - he had to have a nice smile! Came back to put in another pic in that shows how the nose changes in appearance due to position of pose and camera, hair cut, ears and GLASSES frames. Duane had on THICK stemmed glasses in the Mayfield comparison - very very thick stems. Ace in Hole for Mouth Two others for NOSE. The one labeled 1977 has to be wrong because the photo was made prior to my meeting Weber in August of 1976 - but there is NO date on the photo. I would estimate the photo was way before 1976 because the marriage fell apart BEFORE 1976. I will estimate the photo date between 1973-1975. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Could NOT understand my own post! They used 2 b's in Webber. Address provide for the Wife was in N. Orleans....under the name Collins and yet the last address they had during that time in the South was actually in ALABAMA! I was unable to read the attachment you sent on line. The names of those individuals didn't mean anything to me, but I do want to see all the names of all that are listed. I did that with the Canon release and found one name - I thought was familiar, but what is in a name. What you have on the Missouri prison is the same format of the records I have from Canon and SanQuentin. BUT - the FBI would NOT allow me to have the Jefferson record! I could not prove I was the widow of John Collins! Still do NOT know how you got that and I want to see it on paper so I can sit down and study the names of the people release around the time he was - not just commutations. Cell mates and names of others in that prison for a 6 month period of time - I know I will never get that one!

The summary some of that I have and how they used the 2 bb in his name. Still a puzzle because of the missing yrs. If you check the address she used in N.O. - it belonged to another WELL known criminal. She has 4 children the park somewhere and left. Those kid did NOt have mom abnd a dad - I know 2 of them were harmed very badly and the other 2 I think were older and mangaged to survive entact. People like that having children (they were NOT Duane's kids but look at what they were exposed to. I would like to see the complete detail so see how it runs with with I HAVE. iN oHIO OR cOLUMBIA HE ESCAPED AND THAT IS WHEN HE ran west AND HE DIDN'T STOP UNTIL HE NEEDED TO SEE HIS MAMMA. LLLJ HOQW HE ENDED UP IN SANQUENTIN AND FOLSOM. I HAVE PRETTY DETAILED RECORD OF THOSE TIMES. wHERE DID HE GO WITH THE cANON THING - THAT IS WHEN HE HOOKED UP WITH PAPERLEGS AND MOUSE AND WORKD IN CO FOR A WHILE. hE wA free AND HE WAS LOVING WHAT HE DID. SEND ME WHAT YOU WISH AND i WILL CHECK ABOUT WHAT i HAVE FO THT FAMILY RECORDS AND SEE WHAT LOOSE END WE CAN FIND. i HOPE THE ARTIST IS STILL ALIVE AND WILL REMEMBER WHY HE HAS SUCH TIME WITH THE COMPOSITS. ANDS HIS RECORD OF WHEN HE DID THE COMPOSTIS bE NICE TO KNOW NAMES OF PEOPLE HE SHARD CELLS WITH 0- SOMETIMES THESE FAMILY KEEP INTOUCH WITH EACH OTHER.. ONE THING WE wont FIND - NO AFFILIATIONS WITH bk AND THE COVERT EFFORTS (tHEN WE CAN KICK THAT NUT TO THE SIDE AND CLEAN THIS TORY UP TO WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. DOUGH PASTERNAK WANT TO KNOW WHAT STRINGS YOU PULLLED. HE WAS UNABLE TO GET THT INFORMATION THAT EASISLIY. hE JHAD TO GO THE gOVERMMENT ARCHIVES HIM SELF AND SEARCH.;;;;i WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHO SOME OF CELL MATES WHERE - BECAUSE HE SUPPPOSED FORM SOME RELATIONSHIPS THERY HE CONTINUEDC FOR SEVERAL YRS. kINKY RELATIONSHIPS TO ME.......................... YOU RIGHT - SHOULD HAVE BEE N DON YRS AGO - BUT PERHAPS i WILLL FIND A ROSE IN THE THORNS - SOMEONE WHO GOT TO KNOW HIM AND WAS ABLE TO REALD HIM. iiT WAS THE PRISON THE STORYA BOUT PLANNING A JUMP CAME OUT OF . I CAN NOT READ WHAT i AM TYPING....THINK i WILL TRY THE PHONE ONE NIGHT AND SEE IF THAT WORKS BETTER. i DID FORGET THE PHONE NUMBER BUT SEND IT BY PM AND i WILL FORWARD IT TO BOHT OF GRAY AND DOUG (HE WORKS FOR home lAND SECUITY NOW. p.m. ME THE NUMBER OR CONTACT INFO. BUT NOT ON THE THREAD. pRIVATE EMAILS. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

One more time! VERY QUIET. Even Geoffrey sent me an email! He wants to talk to the man who obtained the Jefferson prison records! Mrshutter do I have your permission to give him your contact infomation? Remember that Geoffrey spoke to a couple of the witnesses - when he came up with the merlot hair - wavy. I actually never saw Duane's hair like it was in that photo. I posted one made before I married him on a boat with curly hair. He used a lot of product on his hair to keep it smoothed out in to larger waves Also with age the curl just sort of goes away in some and in others it just gets frizzy. I do not know How to explain the DNA, but the FBI obviously does NOT have Cooper DNA or the DNA they retrieved from me was unreliable. I am a clean-aholic and I told them I didn't really have any personal items that had not been used by others or cleaned several times over. The slippers I did NOT know if he ever put them on. They were a Christmas gift before he died. The razor they took I had cleaned and it was used by a guest and cleaned several times. Remember they waited till 2003 before they asked for DNA! Then they kept it for 3 or 4 more yrs before they even tested it. The wallet that was found in the VAN was Ostrich - and it is falling apart - plus I tore it apart in places hoping to find something hidden between the layers. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What is wrong - you guys do NOT have anything to say! NOT sure I do either! Taking the prison photo to a facial recognition expert and showing him photos made after 1971. So far those who have viewed it - the teeth are missing and why the chin seems short plus he has his chin down and tucked....The EYES and the cheeks and the mouth even with the scrowl and downward pitch of the lips and head - everyone thinks the composite and the prison photo are about as close as anyone can get! The EYES are DEAD on with the COMPOSITE...what they tried to depict. The little glitch that Doug Pasternack was told about regarding Cooper from the interviews given to the composite artist by the stews is DEAD on with Cooper having an ill fitting particial in 1971. The secret the journalist and I kept was the "expression" What we thought was a pursing of the lips when it was actually a motion to hold an ill fitted dental prostetic in. NOW - You know the REST of the Story! This is what happens when key individuals involved in the process itself needed to have been question again when Weber became a suspect. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yep - those choppers are an issue just as *765%$3* described. Yum yum. . I think all can agree - DB Cooper didnt look like that! Why can't you make a post that makes sense! Was there something the FBI hid about Cooper's description - like missing teeth? Can't you even be nice - right now I am in shock. If you had seen this photo - WHY did you not post it? Why did the FBI refuse to allow me to see the photo. I do not know HOW Shutter got it, but if some of you had seen this - WHY conceal it from me? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Oh MY GOD. I never knew him to look like that. It looks like he had some missing teeth and why his mouth was like that. He had a bridge when I met him - it was NOT removeable - had to have been expensive. If it was removeable - I never saw him without it. I came back after I got over the initial shock. I never knew him without Gray hair and I never saw his hair like that at all - very curly and he looked so gaunt - spooky is the only word I have. He had that scar where a tuff of hair had been picked out or removed. He looked so old - and the close hair cut I never ever saw and his ears looked so large. Duane definitely had some things done. Teeth and ears. He had told me he had his ears pinned and I didn't believe him - now I do! That picture is shocking. I am trying to figure out how to down load it and print it. I believe the daughter he helped me raise will be as shocked as I was and still am! Was this photo on intake or release? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

This is a technique taught by Paperlegs Petersen and Mouse was one of his students. 377 told this story a few months ago...I was the only one who recognized why he did so. Perhaps he was playing Devil's advocate, but the riddle and the mouse made sense with what I knew! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Definitely YES. The FBI would NOT provide it even though I asked over and over and over. I have a foggy blurred photo taken when he was released the ex sent me - but all I have of that time. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

WHERE does THIS information come from? Tena described a corner of something green sticking out of a compartment in the top of the briefcase. NOW you guys who know so much and claim to have done SO MUCH research tell me where I got that bit of information? Blevins - DO NOT ANSWER THIS. LET'S see where the KNOW IT ALLS go with this bit of information! I know you know the answer! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins stated: I spoke with Tosaw, Himmelsbach and the co-pilot about Tina. The co-pilot did NOT address the skyjacking with her when he reconnected with her thru me! Need anyone ask WHY? Need anyone ask me WHY I did not hound upon that girl! She never speaks to the media, but she made an exception for me - and she verbalized that. I have protected her as though she were my own daughter by withholding information regarding her location and contact information. ONE day perhaps I will post the emails and a copy of a letter Galen sent me - expounding on me about TINA's contact information!

Jo Stated: The assimilation I do NOT have a problem with - I do have a problem with YOU claiming false information about FACTS of the crime - such as what TINA said or didn't say. Have YOU interviewed Tina to see exactly what she was referring to when she said ANKLE SHOES - you can bet your last cent that she was NOT referring to Loafers...She knew exactly what a loafer was. It was not common knowledge among her age group to be familiar with men's shoes. Robert99 Replied: Jo, Your quote above is directed to Shutter. You definitely imply above that you interviewed Tina, that you knew what Tina's inner thoughts were on shoes, as well as what she said or didn't say about the hijacking. Nevertheless, in your post #43401, page 1737, May 15, 2013, your very first sentence is as follows: "Tina and I had a very limited conversation and it was not about the flight." Jo, You are just blowing smoke here. By your own admission, you haven't even discussed the hijacking with Tina! JO REPLIES: YOU JERKS are EXASPERATING! WHEW! I NEVER SAID I DISCUSSED THE SKYJACKING WITH TINA. I spoke with TINA - for a very short period of time and what we talked about is NO ONE's BUSINESS. It was a brief conversation and we did NOT dicuss details about the flight or what Cooper was wearing. I had a conversation with Tina - it was NOT AN INTERVIEW! It was personal for me and for her! When I made contact with her I was not expecting a reply. Our conversation was on a personal level. My post was QUESTIONING the other person - if THEY had actually interviewed Tina. Because the person CLAIMED such detailed information -I wanted to know how they obtained such information or misinformation. Someone on here just claimed that Ckret interviewed Tina for hours - WHY NOT PICK ON THAT CRAP FOR A WHILE! Why pick on me for asking a logical question about how they obtained their information? This new system the thread is using causes lots of problems and very difficult to indicate who said what - and it all depends on how the poster uses the system. I am going back to the old way. She said and he said. Just wish we still had the code for colors to distinguish who said what! Give it more of a discussion format. It also meant I could shout if I needed to! Actually I didn't know red and bold was shouting until the last few months! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote which "direction" did he pass the "paracord" around his waste and tie it off "how" ? Detauls matter. Time it took? Where was his head during the event? Where were his hands during the event? What was he muttering and in what language? Had he already collected things to take with him from the galley? What is the rate of recoil of the stairs? I like that post - you are right and I bet the FBI did NOT ask all of those questions in 1971!

Shutter asked me why I made the statement below Jo's Reply: Remember the crashing of the prior threads. Individuals like yourself crashed those threads, but Quade established this one and it is in HISTORY and TRIVIA only because I REQUESTED it be here and not in one of the other categories were there are so much controversaries. There have been complaints to the DZ about this being in the History and Trivia - especially when it took on a chat room atmosphere and with all of the arguing and bickering and nonsense postings. WHY I continuely TRY to keep this thread on a level that DZ participants may tolerate in History and Trivia. I want to WRING Georger's throat when he jeopardizes the thread with his trivial snips....nothing would make him happier than to see this thread - crashed. I do NOT know where you got this statement, but I would like for you to verify your source. If it was something Ckret claimed and wrote himself - please direct me to that post you are supposedly quoting below: If Ckret made statements like this - that might be WHY he is NO LONGER on the CASE! Ckret made LOTS OF CLAIMS he could NOT verify! He was removed from the case and his ridiculous claim on the FBI site about the Cooper Comic was absurd. An FBI agent who sinks his teeth into something like that and putting it on the Official FBI site withOUT VERIFICATIONS is NOT a quality FBI investigator or agent! DID CKRET actually claim to have interviewed TINA for hours! This has to be a misnomer or an out and out lie: CKRET intereviewing TINA for hours? -I seriously doubt that! If he made that statement and one can prove it didn't happen, he might be looking for a job. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Shutter stated: "Ckret asked you years ago why your records don't match what is on file. who do I believe, you or the FBI?" Ckrets information did NOT match the files....such as Duane's criminal records he posted on line. INCORRECT! I was never provided a DAMN thing by CKRET regarding the criminal files other than what he put on this thread. I had the original records and ALL he had was a summary. The Jefferson was the one I could NOT get and yet it was the most recent. I still have the emails I exchanged with a person who worked for Jefferson. What I have and was told in an EMAIL from a woman at Jefferson contradicts anything CKRET had to say about Jefferson. What the WIFE of the day told about JEFFERSON ALSO CONTRADICTS the Commutation of Sentence for John Collins. What happened after he left Jefferson was even more suspicious - and I was told this same story NOT by the ex-wife, but by her family in another state that Duane and the wife went to after he left Jefferson. VERY strange the Jefferson System DID NOT KNOW he was already a 4 time felon and would and should not have been elilgible for parole in 16 months and they did NOT know his REAL name was DUANE L. WEBER. The FBI made the infomation about Jefferson available ONLY after it was online and santisized! Jefferson did NOT make the connection between Weber and Collins until I presented Weber as a suspect! Or perhaps when he obtained the Collins drivers license in 1990. Remember Duane told me about Jefferson after that event - and something just hit me. Why did the WEBER PRISON files NOT come up in 1990??????? Maybe they did but maybe the only one he had to tell me about was Jefferson to explain his obtaining a license under that name. A COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE FOR JOHN C. COLLINS - A 4 TIME FELON AND ESCAPEE! Also note the wife would to to visit him and be told he was in solitare????? And that let this man out in 16 months as John Collins???????????? "loafer-type shoes that extended to the ankles." You have to go to the mind of a 20 yr old in 1971 to understand what she was trying to describe. Shutter stated: "why would you go thru talking with Tina and never send Duane's picture?" AS I HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED, my conversation with Tina was brief and it did NOT include details of the crime nor did I ask. She was kind enough to reply to my request - something she had NEVER done before. She broke her own rule. What was discussed I have not and will not repeat! Over the 9 yrs I have been privey to her personal information I kept it confidential and never used the contact information other than to warn her that others had finally obtained that information and had made it public. I felt responsible although I did NOT give the person the information. Just told him where to find the divorce records and from there on he was on his own. I did NOT send Tina pictures because in my own judgement from our very brief conversation she would not view them. I had sense a responsibility to protect and I have been true to my word. She could have been my own child and she looked like my daughter. That was the eerie part of this. My daughter was 15 in 1976 and her photo was a dead ringer for the picture of Tina in 1971. NOW do you understand - why I am RESPECTFULLY OF TINA AND her privacy? Probably now - because you and other's like Galen and Bruce have NO sense of responsibility for the privacy of other or of what this has done to their lives. I did NOT discuss shoes with Tina. What I know about shoes was in the FBI documents and the news and magazine articles. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I don't need a lesson from you, but thanks anyway.Quote You NEED A LESSON FROM SOMEONE BEFORE YOU DISTORT THE COMPLETE CASE! You are typical of jerks who change the facts. Your Objective: To erase the facts and replace them with your own ideology which is not supported by the original information provided. To do something like this defeats the purpose of the thread. You made a contribution, but STOP creating MYTHS! If you are truely interested in this crime - read and absorb the information ABOUT the crime that was given by the FBI and the media early on. DO NOT fabricated things - and by mocking & discounting nor the fact the FBI went looking for smoke jumpers BECAUSE of observations made by the crew! Tying a rope to his waist was a smoke jumper move. The military did NOT resort to such as their equipment was ready and equipped for unusual activity. Perhaps a military individuals first move would have been to attach the package in place of the reserve. Smoke Jumper had to utilize anything they could put their hands on! Read all of the books and new articles during those first few yrs and realize that information you sometimes read on line has been distorted by individuals like yourself - as judged by your own statement and actions and reactions to being corrected. Duane Weber was NOT a smoke jumper, but he was exposed and trained. He just didn't make the grade, but that did NOT stop him from being with the individuals he idolized and who did smoke jump. NOT all of the GUYS were smoke jumpers - but, most of them knew what needed to be done if they ever found themselves in a position to utilize what they had learned. DO you know how many young men trained to be jumpers, but wiped out with the first jump! ONLY those who made it thru the entire process were employed or listed as smokejumper - some would remain as helpers such as packing the chutes, cooking the meals and other trivial jobs just to be were they wanted to be and to continue relationships that formed during the training process. These guys still remained friends. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The criminal records I have are CORRECT! What Ckret posted on the thread is NOT CORRECT. I had obtained thing the FBI did NOT know I had - prior to the destruction of said records. I had family record the FBI did NOT even bother to get. I am not a smoke jumper but I have researched the SUBJECT for 18 yrs - have YOU? The assimilation I do NOT have a problem with - I do have a problem with YOU claiming false information about FACTS of the crime - such as what TINA said or didn't say. Have YOU interviewed Tina to see exactly what she was referring to when she said ANKLE SHOES - you can bet your last cent that she was NOT referring to Loafers...She knew exactly what a loafer was. It was not common knowledge among her age group to be familiar with men's shoes. The only other type of shoe that comes to the ankle is the one with the zipper and the lace up ones. This was discussed in lenght in this thread and in book and other article - NO one knows how ankle shoes suddenly became loafers! As for my spending 18 yrs on the research - it is what I had to do as NO ONE else was going to do it. This thread would NOT have existed had it NOT BEEN for my SEARCH you call WASTED! There would NOT have been a simulation - had I not kept this thing going. There would NOT have been proof the FBI screwed up had it not been for my acquiring RECORDS the FBI claimed and discounted. NONE of what this thread has done was done by me - but it provided the means I needed to find individuals who were interested in the crime and wanted to explore it. Well, we have explored it and played with theories and ideas and this continues on and on. There have been those who strive to keep the facts open and in front and to remind those who make false claims that this or that was said - such as the shoes. If the FACTS become so buried then NO one will EVER solve the crime. Remember the internet sometimes creates more problems than it solves. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

NO I am not a smoke jumper but I have interviewed many of them and so have others who did the research! I do know the history of the origins of the search.

Really do not have time to give you a lesson on this. Start with the Nickles and then right on to Missoula. They had to carry TOOLS and supplies and the best way to do that was between their legs. They had to separate these packages from themselves before landing or be hurt by their own equipment or run a risk of the equipment damaging the chute. Depending on the equipment they carried. Large tools did NOT fit on the belly pack. You DAMN sure do NOT want to drop into a fire with out an ax and a shovel and fire protections. He may have used the reserve and have attached his package in the place of the reserve, but since TINA claimed she saw him tieing a rope around his waste....riding it down between his legs could have been an option. Hence - THE WORLD GREATEST JOCK CARRIER. It was Tina's description that was questionable and why her stating Cooper tied the rope around his waste that caused the jumpers to explore this option! The picture Duane left in the safe deposit box shows a barrel between the legs so COOPER could have jumped with his PACKAGE between his legs! Tina's description is WHY the FBI went looking for SMOKEJUMPERS before any other category was explored. READ and LEARN! JO is NO dummy! Why don't you pick up the phone and call the old FBI or better yet, read Himmelsbachs book...I is a known fact they looked at SMOKE JUMPERS right off the BAT! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You came to the thread LATE on. Do you know how Smokejumpers carried their packages? Check out this photo - a MAGAZINE Duane Weber left in a safe deposit box. A box unknown to me when he died in 1995. I didn't know what it meant at that time - and what a crazy thing to put in a safe deposit box not opened until 1990 - RIGHT after his little trip to Omaha to retrieve his bounty from the safe Deposit box he had there under the name of John C. Collins. WHY it was so necessary he risked obtaining that new license under that name in 1990. When I found out about Jefferson and that Duane was an excon! Added a couple of other photo of smokejumpers from history just encase you want to give you statement a second thought! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

EXCUSE ME! What do you NOT understand about "DUANE NEVER LIVED IN THIS HOUSE!" Anything I had of Duane Weber's was reduced to ONE suit case which I stored in the attic! I remarried in 2002. I kept that one suit case of items - just in case in the ATTIC! That now has been reduced to a few items I keep in a safe Deposit Box at the bank....other than when I removed them to make photographs. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Why in the world would my history make one IOTA of difference. Duane never lived in this house. And who I am does NOT mean diddle squat! I am just an old woman and this is just a house - I do NOT care about people knowing who I am. I have stayed out of the media since 2001 and hope to keep it that way. I have only Two goals right now. To have the FBI really listen to me with maps and experts who might actually understand the route and why I believe what I have been telling for 18 yrs and why it is the only thing that has made one IOTA of sense since November 24, 1971. They need to REQUESTION how they derived at their decision and make the necessary corrections regarding the history of Weber. The DZ has been my basic way of being heard and I have put up with a lot over the last few yrs. I did a little on Unsolved Mysteries and 101, but I was as lost then as everyone else was. IT took my trip in 2010 to really find my way and information thru this thread and others who came to my rescue be they for or against my story. I realize that NO one is able to follow me - because I am all over the place. I need a wall and large maps dated no later than 1979. Put all the maps up with pins and sticky stating why it was there. This will be a very large project and ONE I will never be able to do alone - financially or physically. There is just not enough time to do everything that needs to be done. As I was told the last few days - no one can follow me. The places and the sequences and what happened in those places. My history with Weber needs the same kind of treatment - but I cannot do this - perhaps someday someone will go back thru the thread and my conversations with others and realize there was ONLY one way Cooper did this and he went right back at them! I have been contacted by many I never ever mention on this thread and some of them have some whoppers they try to lead me on with. I listen and I play and I work their story - usually I find the flaws and then I stop communications with them or just right out ask questions that turn them around and/or they reveal that their story was phoney from get go. BK was the biggest and most costly mistake I ever made. One recent story lasted about 3 months and then I decided NO MORE. I had heard his story before - he just had more twists and turns on it. He would take one thing and then build on that - just the way BK did, but his story was actually do-able - and I was never able to remember where I heard the caddy story before. He claimed interviews and witnesses he would never reveal and if I cornered him he would move on to something else. He was really building his story. I am NOT Mikey! I won't eat anything! I might bite into it or act like I am going to! If it taste a little strange - I spit it out! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber