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And nobody at Skydive Dallas can do that? steveOrino

I lived in Anchorage, Alaska 7 years (82-89), but the coldest day I remember was January 1977, it was -60 at Ft Lost in the Woods, Misery (otherwise known as Ft. Leonard Wood, MO) steveOrino

What an ignorant post. In "today's society" there are many people my age who recall blacks not being allowed to sit at the front of a bus, who recall the governor of Alabama standing on the steps saying "Segregation forever", who recall small black children being abused by screaming white adults as they tried to enter their school, who recall blacks denied admission to state universities, who recall black churches being bombed and civil rights workers killed... Truly ignorant! Tony Dungy is roughly my age. We were both born in 1955. I don't know if Tony's hometown in Michigan was a prejudicial as mine in Texas. but before the 1964 equal rights act blacks like Tony would not have been allowed to drink from the same water fountain or use the same restroom as whites. He would not be allowed in the city park or allowed to sit in the downstair seating of the local movie theater. He would have attended 1st-3rd grade in a segregated school (1960 - 1963) Lovie Smith was born in Gladewater, TX (1958) and he DID experience those atrocities. Perhaps this poster is so young (and flunked US history) he doesn't know all of this. I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt. steveOrino

I'm Gonna Miss Her parody by Steve Phelps (with apologies to Brad Paisley & Frank Rogers) Well I love her But I love to jump I spend all day out on this drop zone And hell is all I catch Today she met me at the door Said I would have to choose If I made a jump today She'd be packin' all her things And she'd be gone by noon Well I'm gonna miss her When I get home But right now I'm on this drop zone And I'm packin' my rig I'm sure it'll hit me When I walk through that door tonight That I'm gonna miss her Oh, lookie there, I've got a flite Now there's a chance that if I hurry I could beg her to stay But that plane's idlin' And the weather's perfect No tellin' how many points I may turn today Well I'm gonna miss her When I get home But right now I'm on this drop zone And I'm packin' my rig I'm sure it'll hit me When I walk through that door tonight That I'm gonna miss her Oh, lookie there, I've got a flite Yeah, I'm gonna miss her Oh, lookie there, I've got a flite Funny stuff aside. my wife of 32 years has never given me an ultimatum, and is very supportive. However I took a big long break between jumps, 1979 - 2001, to raise kids. steveOrino

I agree with him. The idea that evil is overcome by force in some sort of final war is contrary to the teachings of Christ any way you shake it. It is similar beliefs that lead to crusades and other autrocities. steveOrino

Your helmet's paint job looks like my Harley!! Woot! steveOrino

Is Skinnyshrek in GA? He'd be real good. Just don't mention how the Redskins suck. steveOrino

Uh, kinda funny considering that Dems are academically more intelligent than Republicans. I guess they like lowering the playing field. steveOrino

The term "pastor" means shepherd. Acts 20:28 gives an admonishment to pastors: "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." My congregation refers to themselves as "the Flock that Rocks!" So I doubt they see it as condescending. I'm not sure why you do. Maybe being considered "sheep" appeals to them. Maybe it depends who is calling you a sheep. I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me John 10:16 steveOrino

The term "pastor" means shepherd. Acts 20:28 gives an admonishment to pastors: "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." My congregation refers to themselves as "the Flock that Rocks!" So I doubt they see it as condescending. I'm not sure why you do. steveOrino

yeah, you won! You kids can play, I just put the question up without thinking about the semantic word games that go on intentionally or unintentionally. Besides I have so many of Hairy Juan's post on another thread to read ... not! steveOrino

I've decided not to play ... Too many twist of semantics. I guess I should have worked on the wording before I posted. We are BORN with a desire to live and LIVING is something that can be satisfied by humans. The exception seems to be the rule here, so let's move on to another philosophical discussion. My bad. steveOrino

born born born ... everyone is missing that word in my statement. No, man was NOT "born" with a desire to fly or go to the moon. steveOrino

Pretty funny. How about LIBERAL school agenda 8:15 Burn the flag 8:30 Math -- everybody use calculators, if you are wrong we will put the right answer in there for you so you won't feel bad about yourself 9:30 History -- It is whitey's fault 10:30 Spelin -- nat thot it madderz 11:30 Lunch -- free granola and wheat germ for everyone. 1:00 Women's studies -- it is male whitey's fault 2:00 co-ed sports -- Come and get your trophy for showing up 3:00 class dismissed -- Progress reports go out today -- Everybody got an "S" for satisfactory steveOrino

I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf I skimmed through it. It appeared most tof the regulations had to deal with organizations on campus, but perhaps there was some abiguity in the some of the rules. Reminds me of Animal House where Delta got canned. steveOrino

If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? I think you satanic worship analogy sort of sucks too. It is hardly comparible to college age kids having a party with booze. Right now I do plenty that upsets a lot of fellow pastors and other church members (not mine -- they know me very well) like riding my Harley to a tavern and hanging out with other bikers who are sipping a brewsky (I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper or something a lot harder than I would drink while I'm on a Harley) They object to me staying at the DZ after the beer light comes one. They object to me doing a lot of things I do. They can be upset all they want, but it doesn't effect me. When my flock has strayed. I dealt with it with compassion and the sense of restoration. Again, I think the kids were acting stupid ... like college kids. If I was their prof, I may be dissappointed, but I don't think I have grounds to do anything. If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? EDITED TO ADD: I've pastored since 1983. AK: 200 people CA: 100 people WA: 500 people OK: 500 people OK: 150 people OK 30 people In all those years I never had to "discipline" a member. steveOrino

That is one of the reasons I never bought a new rig. If you buy used then you can downsize without losing a lot of money. Then when you order your new rig you can either sell your old/used rig or better yet keep as a back up on those busy days. But, that is just me. steveOrino

Still after 32 years my wife will say it is not what you say it is how you say it ... tone. Most guys are clueless to what tone we use. Well, at least I am. Perhaps a sit down would help. Otherwise you're getting stewed, and he has no clue he is making you angry. At least I guess he doesn't. But just in case ... steveOrino

Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? steveOrino

off campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? steveOrino

Perhaps like myself, you can have some doubts about the peripheal issues (non-eesentials) but be fairly sure of the essentials. I know many may say they never have doubts, and quote some out of context passage in James about those who doubt, but I think most people will have some doubts if they are asking the tough questions. That applies to deist, theist and atheist. steveOrino

Here's my best shot. steveOrino

Jungle explorer ... been there, done that, courtesy of US Army Special Forces. steveOrino

Looks just like you! Congrats! One bit of advice from a dad of 4 grown kids and 2 grandkids... enjoy them! They're out of your house before you know it. steveOrino

Let's get back to the ORIGINAL question as it was stated: Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. Man was NOT BORN with a desire to fly. The desire to fly came from man observing a creature who could fly. Now, as to that creature (birds, for example) it of course was born with that desire because it is in it's nature to do so. steveOrino