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Well that explains Top Sgt Williams then! steveOrino

ROFLOL! You mean it was Special Ed? They told me it was Special Forces!! steveOrino

Must be last year's edition. steveOrino

That is no longer PC. I work with kids who have IEPs. steveOrino

I thought your redskins weren't threatened by my cowboys? See, you ARE scared! steveOrino

You're right. Years later a pastor friend accidently drove over his son and killed him. I have no answers that make sense to him. steveOrino

Yes, but I don't threaten people from the safety of 1400 miles. steveOrino

Tell my school too while you are at it. steveOrino

Lee & I have been called this a lot lately, so I looked it up. At least we are kids. At 52, that made my day! punk --noun a. worthless or unimportant youth b. a young ruffian; hoodlum. c. an inexperienced youth. d. a young male partner of a homosexual. Dang, Lee, they found out! This picture was underneath the definition "D" steveOrino

Well, I will never know for 100% certainty as I was born into a Christian family & community. I could summise that the odds were that I would not. However, I know some Muslims who have converted to Christianity so it certainly would not be beyond the realm of possibility. I believe my enviornment gave me a better chance of being a Christian. But I did not make my mind up about Christ in a vacuum. Yes, I had influences that were pro christianity, but I also had influences that were not. I have seen what evil can be done in the name of Christianity. While that has moved me away from program oriented churches, it has drawn me closer to a more personal walk with Christ, as I become his follower. Interesting, because I was actually thinking about asking you the exact same question over in that other thread. So since you've given this answer, here's a follow-up question: Do you think that if you'd been born into a Muslim family, especially if you'd grown up in a predominantly Muslim community, it's likely that you'd be a believing Muslim today? If so, do you think it's because your brain is already "hard-wired" (predisposed) to be inclined to have spiritual beliefs as an adult (nature), with the type of belief being mainly a product of environment (nurture)? I think I already answered that question in what you quoted. steveOrino

How about church bake sales to provide clothing for needy children? Unacceptable? I guess, but why not have the people give and sit around an eat the pie? Or better yet take the pies to poor people? I wonder why we must be motivated to give other than the desire to show love to others. steveOrino

What if the Apostle Paul said, "You know I could sell these letters and make a lot of money!" or Imagine JC wearing a bracelet that says WWID and encouraging his disciples to sell them. steveOrino

A recent post made me think about some pet peeves I have about some Christian ministries. Is it okay with you that people sell things for Christian ministries? Such as: sermon CDs, Jesus trinkets (WWJD bracelets), tapes on how to study the Bible, tapes on how to witness, etc. steveOrino

Well, on that much we agree. I even have issues with dudes selling stuff for ministry, like cds of sermons, etc. Not to mention the Jesus trinkets! steveOrino

Every minute and every day, because that is about how often someone would ask if there is a God. I just guess on the rate of course, but I'm pretty sure the odds are it is daily event somewhere. PLUS it would have to be a proof that 100% of the people from rain forrest tribes to Kallend (See Prof, I put you at the top of my list) would agree on. I mean, that would be the criteria you set, right? steveOrino

So every minute of every day God would have to do something "in a tangible way that everyone would agree on" to prove he is God? steveOrino

Well, I will never know for 100% certainty as I was born into a Christian family & community. I could summise that the odds were that I would not. However, I know some Muslims who have converted to Christianity so it certainly would not be beyond the realm of possibility. I believe my enviornment gave me a better chance of being a Christian. But I did not make my mind up about Christ in a vacuum. Yes, I had influences that were pro christianity, but I also had influences that were not. I have seen what evil can be done in the name of Christianity. While that has moved me away from program oriented churches, it has drawn me closer to a more personal walk with Christ, as I become his follower. steveOrino

So it would have to be personal, right? It had to be done for you, right? steveOrino

I didn't say he couldn't appear as flesh, I said he wasn't flesh. If he appeared in the flesh to prove to you he was God, how would you know for sure? steveOrino

But what if the Hindus got it right? We'd have to do this again, again, again and again ... steveOrino

See this goes back to my question for you that you won't answer. What evidence would be sufficiently tangible for you? You can write off any evidence given and say, "How do I know it is from God" The biblical and Christian God is not flesh & bones. JC said he is spirit. You're not going to see him. But I suppose even if you did, you'd just say, "I don't know who you are, but you can't be God." steveOrino

I also gave you some hard evidence. My wife drove over my son. He didn't even have a mark on his body ... nothing but tire tracks. That comfort I received back in the Airborne days comforted me that he woul not be harmed even though I was told he was dead. That was REAL evidence to me. I saw the sleeper with tire tracks, I saw his little 18 month old body that had nothing on it but small indentations from the gravel that sticks in a 1969 land yacht Buick's tires. steveOrino

So this will have to be an ongoing personal sort of thing, eh? Evidence done for you now won't be viable for anyone in time? I know that, but it did mean something to me. For the third time, it was for me, not you. steveOrino

I'll ask again ... What do you want to see, experience, smell, taste, that you would say,"Now THAT is evidence of God!" steveOrino

Have my son come home safely from Afghanistan in Dec 07.