NCclimber

Or people acting like "the norm" is an absolute... Or using obtuse examples to refute the norm. Wisdom may come with expereience, but it sure ain't guaranteed.

More like saying - if you make a lot of money, you will be rich. Does the phrase - house rich, cash poor - ring a bell?

So, at what point in the past were things nearly perfect?

Seems like he's saying age and experience don't necessarily lead to wisdom.

Kind of depends on which "that" we're talking about. That some people see things as being so dire? Yes. That is humorous... in a sad sort of way. No doubt, this country has many problems needing to be remedied. These problems don't mean this country is broken. Not by a long shot.

Good post, Canuck. One of the problems with MM films is he picks a target and proceeds to vilify it, sometimes giving misleading representations of the truth. IMO, this causes more divisiveness, not open honest dialog. Maybe I'm wrong. Have any of his previous films really done anything to promote the greater good... or have they just caused the opposing sides of a given subject to become more entrenched in their positions? All the while, he's raking it in hand over fist.

Thank you for outing yourself as a TRUE Patriot of the far right.. To me.. if someone has SERVED this country ESPECIALLY in covert operations for the CIA... this country HAS to treat them better than this.. Glad to see the far right has a far different way of saying THANK YOU to those who have served. This did not serve the interests of our country.. ONLY the FAR right political agenda.... which has yet again DAMAGED our ability to gain info that keeps us safe. It almost sounds like you still think Bush & Co. were behind the outing of Valerie Plame. Almost.

Or perhaps he had a poor recollection of a brief conversation from several years ago. You seem pretty pissed about this pardon. Do you think we should do away with this executive privilege?

What are you talking about? "Everyone is all over Armitage"? Who? Are people calling for him to be prosecuted? And what it is the Rove does? Outing (arguably) covert agents? Which agents?

And how is it that the above doesn't apply to the people who got us into this war in the first place? As far as I'm concerned, it should apply to all of them. I've never said anything to the contrary, despite what some on this site might claim. Basically, Wilson has made a bunch of bullshit claims that have been discredited.

Yeah that really sucks that he will not get onboard and follow THE DECIDER without questioning or dissenting.... hell... that borders on treason in the Deciders mind. What are you saying? That is okay to tell a bunch of lies and make unsubstantiated charges if your heart is in the right place? Or are you just sidestepping the obvious?

Wishing someone DEAD because you disagree with them politically???? Do you hit the chapel much on Sunday morning????? Assuming someone's a Christian and then implying they are a lousy one. Nothing PA about that.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess? How far back? 9/11/01? Clinton passing up the opportunity to get Osama? The Iraq War (1991)? How about 1947? Or do you want to limit it to this (the outing of Valerie Plame) particular story? How about the disinformation from the people which was used to get us into a pre-meditated war in Iraq? Wasn't that why Wilson wrote his piece? Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.

Anyone else think it's weird that the cars make, model and "green-ness" are brought up in the opening sentence, in most of the mainstream media articles?

You mean the Gallup poll from back in March, about giving Libby a full (clean record, no jail, no fine) pardon? Or are you talking about a current poll about Bush's decision, as your statement indicated? I'm not sure, but that's what "I heard". Yeah. It seemsthat a number of media outlets are taken poll numbers from March, on what Bush should do to imply what people think after the fact.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess? How far back? 9/11/01? Clinton passing up the opportunity to get Osama? The Iraq War (1991)? How about 1947? Or do you want to limit it to this (the outing of Valerie Plame) particular story?

Look. Valerie Plame is clearly the victim, here. Whether or not she may have broken any laws , like perjury or lying to federal investigators (can you say Ironic?), is irrelevant.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess. She's the victim. Don't forget that.

Did you come up with that one all by your self?

Apples and oranges perhaps but you cannot say for sure that one neccessarily had it worse than the other. Tell me about all the discrimination and brutality inflicted upon gays in this country... and explain how it would be on par with the black struggle in this country.

You mean the Gallup poll from back in March, about giving Libby a full (clean record, no jail, no fine) pardon? Or are you talking about a current poll about Bush's decision, as your statement indicated?

I think a big part of it is when gays start trying to compare their discrimination to the struggles of blacks in the 40s and 50s. Talk about your crappy analogy.

You can leave that line of reasoning behind right now. But it is a nice counter to some of the sillier assertions made by others on this site. What's this thread about, again?

There is a point NONE of you address. When a covert agent is in another country working covert... they deal with people.. their contacts.... when the covert agent leaves all of those contacts remain there in their own countries. When the covert agent is brought home.. then outed as having served their contry as a COVERT CIA agent...even if not currently covert.... the foreign intelligence agencies now know that this person was in their country.. and had contacts.. and now they know who to go slaughter... and poof there goes our humint in the area.. the people willing to put our interestes above that of Idi the Local Dictator. Its a stupid fucking move that hurts our country for years to come... all for NEO CON political gain.. I thought you guys were SOOOOOO Patriotic.. how do you justify harming our country in this manner. Maybe no one is addressing it because it's irrelevant to Libby's case/situation. You seem to think outing Plame was some Repuplican ploy. Let me know when you find any evidence to support your theory.

I wonder how many of the anti-Bush types realize that Libby's conviction does nothing to support the widely believed story that Bush & Co. intentionally outed Valerie Plame. After an extensive investigation, there is still no evidence of the charges made by Joe Wilson. Sorry guys, it was much ado about nothing.