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Plus, the intel Bush went off of was only proven to be wrong after the invasion, so where was the distortion of facts to make a case to go to war? __________________________________________________ Sure ,Bub, That's how it was.., if it makes you feel better. It's hard to realize you've been duped. Thing is that before Colin Powell adressed the UN , he was reported to have thrown the report and his hands up in the air and said,"this is bullshit". Thing is, In Feb 2002 , Colin Powell had just told the world that Saddam Husseign was no threat to his neighbors. Intel wasn't bad.., It was fabricated. Blues, Cliff

[I live by the border, and Otay is about two miles from it, so I can see it from the air. And I can tell you with pretty good confidence that there are no armies invading San Diego from Tijuana. According to Sen John McCain there are ten thousand per day . And as far as the soldiers, don't give me that following orders *crap*, It didn't work at Nuremberg and it doesn't work now. Each soldier is responsible for his own conduct at all times. Following orders is no excuse. Blues, Cliff

QuoteGuess you've all seen the update now.. _________________________________________________ Let's watch and see how long it takes the Mainstream media to report this! Should be fun!' Blues, Cliff

Quote>So Why exactly should we "support the troops"? Cause they are there to protect us. _____________________________________________ Really? I thought they were engaged in protecting Iraqi's As the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Blues, Cliff

So Why exactly should we "support the troops"? Doesn't the Constitution mention something about the troops purpose as defending our borders? Something about defending this country from attack? Is that what they are doing in Iraq as thousands per day walk across our south border? I'm just wondering. If all those troops in Iraq think that they are defending our borders.., We have a really dumb all volunteer army. Of course it may be that they don't have enough honor to honor their oath. Blues, Cliff

[ Yep - he's just another scumbag profiting over people's desire to believe in something stupid. Rhino - here's reality. Income taxes are legal. Of course income taxes are legal. No problem there. Thing is that the way the laws are written only those living in a "territory or possesion " of the US and federal employees are subject to them. Has to do with the definition of "gross income" in section 861. Do a search for Larken Rose . The man requested they take him to court. Finally he's getting his wish. Blues, Cliff Fourth cousin to the brides maids best freind in the wedding of Alan Greenspans'great grandaughter

During the trial, Banister's former supervisor at IRS's San Jose CID office, Robert Gorini (who testified via video recording) when pointedly asked, was unable to cite any U.S. law that required Banister to pay income taxes. How cool is that? Blues, Cliff My seventh cousin once made the creature from Jeckyll Island his bitch

[Check out the Punk Soldiers link. Who would wish that on our troops. _________________________________________________ I bet one of the geeks on here could track down the websites owner. Blues, Cliff Owned a dog who was fith cousin twice removed to "Sounder" Edited, meant to mention it was on the sires side. Blues, Cliff

Source: We the People Published: June 23, 2005 Author: Staff For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use. Sacramento California -- On Thursday June 23, a federal jury found former IRS Criminal Investigative Division (CID) Special Agent and CPA Joseph Banister not guilty of all counts alleging criminal tax fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took on behalf of a California business owner who had openly defied the IRS over several years by stopping withholding of all income and employment taxes from the paychecks of his workers. During the trial the Department of Justice was unable to put forth any evidence that Banister had either engaged in a conspiracy or had acted unlawfully when he shared legal research with business owner Al Thompson concluding that he had no legal obligation to withhold taxes from his workers or when he (Banister) prepared corrected tax returns for Thompson claiming his taxable income was, under U.S. law, zero. During the trial, Banister's former supervisor at IRS's San Jose CID office, Robert Gorini (who testified via video recording) when pointedly asked, was unable to cite any U.S. law that required Banister to pay income taxes. Banister, who was forced to resign in 1999, gave Thompson's worker's a presentation in 2000 which reviewed his detailed investigative research of U.S. tax law which concluded that not only did the IRS lack any authority to impose income taxes on the workers, but there was no legal requirement for the business to withhold any taxes from the worker's paychecks. Banister is part of a nationwide effort seeking to force the U.S. Government to respond to a series of detailed legal Petitions for Redress of Grievances directly challenging the authority of the IRS. Last summer, the We The People Foundation initiated a landmark lawsuit with 2000 plaintiffs against the government because it has refused to answer the Petitions. The Right-To-Petition lawsuit, of which Banister is a plaintiff, is the first time in history that U.S. courts have been asked to define the meaning of the final ten words of the First Amendment. Court documents for the RTP lawsuit and scholarly research regarding the Right to Petition can be downloaded from the Lawsuit Information Center on www.GiveMeLiberty.org. Following the verdict, Banister was greeted by a throng of WTP supporters and members of his family. Tomorrow, WTP will publish additional details of this important news and stream video of post-verdict interviews of Banister & several of the jurors. bout time IMO, YOMV. Stand by for the trial of Larken Rose(my second cousin ) in Phily this July. It will be interesting! Blues, Cliff

P-L-E-E-E-A-A-A-S-E.............. O-F-F-I-C-C-C-C-E-R-R-R-R-R...... S-S-S-S-T-O-P-P-P-P-P...... T-A-S-S-S-I-N-G-G-G......... M-E-E-E-E-E-......... _________________________________________________ I don't know guys. I squall like a woman when I get a slight carpet shock. But if I get pulled over I'm unloadin on that racist ,rights abusin' bastard with my 9 before he even gets too close to my pimpin' ride!!! Blues, Cliff Brother in law to the 7th cousin twice removed to a freind of John Dillinger, Good pal to a guy who once heard a speech by Malcom X

You just proved you don't have a clue what your talking (typing) about. F.O.P. (Fraternal Order of Police) has more African American officers as members than any other police organization in the country __________________________________________________ So this FOP, this Masonic organisation does keep redcords and statistics as to race? The "Brothers" aren't just "brothers" some are "black brothers", others are "white brothers". Tell me, Officer Falling Chip, Do these FOP meetings allow non members to observe each and every meeting in entirety? Blues, Cliff Fourth cousin to "Fish"on Barney Miller

Officer Falling Chip, Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Fraternal Order of Police? __________________________________________________ The only way a speaker will register a speed on a speed measuring instrument is if you were to point the antenna directly down onto the face of the speaker. It will not detect and/or register the VIBRATION it will detect the speed, however, of the movement the speaker makes in and out while operating. Officer Falling Chip, Do you have a doctorate in Physics? If not don't you think the state would be better served if the jury were to base their opinion,as to the limitations of radar equipment ,more solidly on the testimony of the states' expert witness,than on your own? This statement from the prosecutions' own *expert* witness implies that vibrations from the vehicle *can* cause the "instruments to read incorrectly". __________________________________________________ If I am sitting on the side of the road doing paperwork and the Doppler Tone goes off and I look at the instruments display and see a speed of 65 MPH, but when I look up you are passing me and I can't get a visual estimation of your speed...I can't stop you. __________________________________________________ You mean that you *legaly* Can't stop someone. Isn't that what you mean, Officer Falling Chip? Surely you are not suggesting that the lack of a visual estimate of speed would prevent an unethical police officer from turning on the blue lights and stopping a vehicle. Is that correct? __________________________________________________ Did the officer on the scene, the one making the arrest ,know of the limitations of the equipment? ____________________________________________________________ Yep he sure did. Every state in the US requires an officer to be certified in the use of speed measuring instruments before using them. Each state has different requirements in gaining the certification, but the minimum classroom hours I know of is 65 combined with a minimum of 40 hours of roadside practical exams and visual speed estimations. __________________________________________________ And knowing the limitations of the equipment he pulled her over anyway! That is amazing in the Land of the Free!! Isn't it Ladies and Gentlemen? Here the States' own Expert witness has testified that vibrations from the vehicle *can* cause the "instruments to read incorrectly". The officer knows this ,yet he pulls over and detains citizens based on readings he gets on this faulty equipment. God bless America! We need it more today than ever!!!!! __________________________________________________ Shouldn't a prudent law enforcement officer consider *all of the facts* before tossing around ACCUSATIONS and making Arrests of the law abiding citizens? First, explain how you feel she was a "law abiding citizen" __________________________________________________ She was a citizen, Right Officer Falling Chip? Can we agree on that? Yes, she was Black.., but still, she was a citizen . Can we agree on that point before we go any further? Now.. , if you have agreed to that one point, that she is a citizen, even if she is BLACK, we can move on and you can drop the questions of her citizenship and race. So to answer your other question, Officer Falling Chip;" First, explain how you feel she was a "law abiding citizen". As the nice Lady hasn't yet been convicted of any crime ,we pressume that she is innocent of every crime. That's how it is supposed to be in America. I'm not sure how y'all in Jesse Helms' homestate play it But.., the presumption of innocence is a fundamental law of the United States Of America. You seem to be working under another premise. Perhaps one where black woman are guilty from jump street? Hillstreet Blues, Cliff Best friend of the second cousin to a girl whose mother knew a cop who was honest and intelligent

Yes, about 300,000. In 2002, there were about 800,000 officers in the US, I'm guessing that number has grown to around 1 million today. That means that there is about a 70% chance that this officer is not a member. What makes you believe he is a member? __________________________________________________ His racist actions of utilizing deadly force against a Black woman who was making a phone call (the right upon arrest to make one phone call) . Yeah . that and his exclusive tayzering of Blacks pretty much shows him to be a racist and a probable member of Albert Pikes association. Blues, Cliff Wisdom of Soloman Do you have any evidence that would lead me to believe otherwise? I didn't think so.

Oy. Man, some of the stuff I've read that's come from you can be easily confused with a paranoid/paranoid schizophrenic's thought process. __________________________________________________ So if it "can be easily confused with a paranoid/paranoid schizophrenic's thought process." It must be other than "paranoid schizophrenic's thought process." Thank you for enlightening the others. Blues, Cliff

no; i've experienced both. the pepper spray lasted for hours even when i had treatment for the spray within seconds of being exposed. just trust me on this one mr. eagleonridoer. __________________________________________________ Oh so you really haven't researched the subject? Because I could site several examples where either pepper spray or tayser weapons when deployed by police officers ,resulted in death. Are you sure you don't even know of one of these cases , Mr. tcnelson? Blues, Cliff Blood of Matlock II

i base it on the fact that over the past 150 years most countries have tried to form a democracy that models america's. __________________________________________________ Here is a fact that you seem to have overlooked, tcnelson, and I'm going to list it under "current events" ; I take that back , I'll label it as past events, ; America was not founded as a Democracy!!!!! Thge founding fathers abhored the ideas of "Democracy". Now our "oligarchy" claims to be exporting "democracy " at gunpoint which one would have to consider as an act of "Anarchy". Yeah! Makes you proud as shit to be American , don't it? Red White and Blues, Cliff, I've got a crazy Uncle Sam

[ Is he a member of the Fraternal Order of Police? The white cop organization with ties to freemasonry and Albert Pike? That's so far-fetched that I'm not going to bother even thinking of a response. __________________________________________________ Justin, Do you have any idea just how many police officers in this country are members of the Masonic, Fraternal Order of Police? __________________________________________________ Depends on who resists arrest to that point of needing it more often. And you know this.., How? Blues, Cliff 5th cousin thrice removed to Issac Newtons Aunt,Emma Cornwalis

Quoteyour posts are getting better and better. Yes! Thank you for your readership. Blues, Cliff Wisdom and Blood of Soloman

it's still great; it's the best nation on earth to live in. __________________________________________________ By what standards do you believe that statement to be true? Do you believe the US has the lowest poverty rate? Do you believe the US has the best air quality? The least obtrusive government regulations? The lowest infant mortality rate? The highest standard of living" Best health care? I mean come on.., ON what criteria do you base your assertion that "it's the best nation on earth to live in"? __________________________________________________ driving is defined as a privilege in every state in this great country by the way...next! Who wrote the definition? Blues, Cliff Blood of Melenik II , and Dolly Madison

2. being sprayed with oleoresin capsicum is far worse than being hit with 500,000 volts. and yes, i am knowledgeable in these matters. __________________________________________________ So you do know then , Mr. Tonelson , of many subjects who died ass a reasult of taser or pepper spray? Is that what you are saying? Blues, Cliff Blood of the Queen of Sheba

Being black had nothing to do with it. __________________________________________________ Really? And you know this to be a fact.., How? Tell me Justin, How many "white women" did this officer pull over for speeding that day? How many did he 'Tayz"? Is he a member of the Fraternal Order of Police? The white cop organization with ties to freemasonry and Albert Pike? Does he "Tayz" "white folk "with the same frequency as he "Tayzes" the people of color? A clear case of white cop/black driver, in other words.., Driving While Black!!!!!! Blues, Cliff Blood of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, Eddy Murphy,and Gumby Dammit!

You might want to read the US Constitution. It doesn't say shit about having a right to drive. A state ALLOWS you the PRIVILEGE (not right) to drive and you must follow their rules, __________________________________________________ Officer Falling Chip, Are you familiar with the IX Ammendment? Obviously you are not. Let me tell you that at the time of the Founding Fathers of this once great nation, no one would have imagined the state attempting to declare that riding horses as a means of transportation is a privelage. Is walking to ones destination a "privelage" which the state can also deny? No Sir!!!!!!!! Unencumbered travel is a Right. It is covered in the IX Ammendment. Blues, Cliff Blood of Soloman

Larkin Rose has a trial coming up next month in Philadelphia, Pa. I'm very interested in that trial. It has to do with section 861 of the Tax Code. Blues, Cliff

I have been hit with both pepper spray and the taser. Required to carry them. The taser is much more humane IMO. I would rather be tased 100 times than be pepper sprayed once. _________________________________________________ Officer Falling Chip, You seem to think yourself somewhat knowledgeable in this field. Do you realize that the use of both pepper spray and taser weapons have had fatal results in *real world* scenarios? And if you do know this to be the case, would you agree that the use of the taser on the subject in question was an excessive use of force? I mean there were two officers on the scene, do you really believe that "fatal force" was required to place her under arrest? Blues, Cliff Blood of Dolly Madison, Geronimo,Larry,and Curly Blues, Cliff