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__________________________________________________ Good idea ,Rob. And kudos to you for wanting to help those in need. Just a suggestion; as you are obviously determined to help *those in need*, perhaps you should consider driving down some of the backroads of the closest major city to your home. I'm certain you will find needy folks . Heck, they've been there right under your nose long before "Katrina". Blues, Cliff

QuoteYou are correct. It is possible, and very likely that a taser would in fact detonate the bomb. Bean bag round loaded shotguns, OC spray (ie mace or pepper spray) or other such less lethal weapons are also less desirable as a goal orientated subject (ie suicide bomber) would be able to focus through such tactics, if only long enough to detonate the bomb. If you doubt this, then why do police forces train there officers to fight through the effects of OC Spray. If they can do it, any one else can too. The only effective way to disarm a suicide bomb is the same way you disarm any bomb, shut down the ignition switch. Unfortunaltly, when the ignition switch is the human brain, there is little left but lethal force. __________________________________________________ Of course in the case of a bomber with a "release " type switch ,lethal force may also cause the bomb to detonate. Doesn't really matter though as it appears the only lethal force utilized by the police so far was against an innocent ,unarmed man. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Do you have any news which would discredit anything I have written? Because your post here just doesn't say much. Blues, Cliff

You mean as more evidence has come to light that the story has evolved and developed?! My god, we could make a detective out of you yet! __________________________________________________ I'm not talkin' about a story *evolving and developing*,CornishChris. I'm talkin' about the authorities telling us that definitively it was "military explosives"!!! A day or two later they changed the story to backyard explosives. WTF???? Do you believe that they can't easily tell the difference? So why did they say "military" originally? Why did they change the story later? How did they know immediately that it was Al-Queida? Especially considering that no one knows who Al-Queida is? Smell the Coffee ,my freind.., the zionists conducted 7/7 because the UK had just announced their plans to pull out of Iraq. Blues, Cliff

So I've been watching all this Muslim bashing on the forums and I'm thinking WTF!!!! " Our Troops" are in Iraq to bring democracy to that country. Well at least that's the reason du jour(I'm not French but I figured if I threw in a French term I'd piss- off some of you double!). So , Islam is the religion of hate! Islam is the religion which seeks to exterminate every Infidel. And Islam is the religion that "our Troops" are fighting to establish as the theocracy in Iraq! Yes, That is very true. If the US is succesful in establishing a democracy in Iraq, Iraq will be a Shiite /Islamic theocracy! So... if democracy is our goal, and that is what the troops are fighting for.., they are fighting to establish an Islamic theocracy. Scrap all those goofy yellow"support our troops" ribbons on the back of your cars. Cut out the middle-man and sport the new"Support Islam"ribbons. After all ..,that's why our guys are bleeding over there. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ My Freind, You just have no idea as to the preperations so many have made. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ It's OK,Bro, The evidence is right in your face and you just can't grasp it! No worries! Those of us with the means will protect you to the best of our ability. You'll be treated with the same care and respect as any of our retarted brothers. Blues, Cliff

I'm a slow packer.

And that has anything to do with all this how? LOLing!!! __________________________________________________ Andbeside the Israeli security on the tube .., And I know you just love the bagel makers ,Michell. This Errol claims 14 years in the sport and exactly 1 jump. You might want to consider Dunkin' Doughnuts in the future ,Michelle. They may be dot-heads but at least they aren't so fuckin' sneaky! Blues, Cliff

QuoteWell for one, I will agree that the odds are very low, but it is possible. __________________________________________________ OK ,Jason, Now we are getting somewhere. You agree that the odds are very low that attacks following the same scenario as government exercises ,taking place at the same exact time would occur simultaneously. And that's just 7/7. What are the odds that the 9-11 attacks would also occur as a gov't body is performing an exercise with a scenario which exactly miirrored those attacks,targets and everything? Ya' startin' to think that maybe.., perhaps.., possibly .., it might be.., that these security "exercises "are set up as a cover for the incident? Because really.., the odds are "phenomenal"!!!!! Blues, Cliff

And that has anything to do with all this how? LOLing!!! __________________________________________________ Fuckin' A it does! Israeli Security To Protect London's Underground 9-21-4 An Israeli security firm has been chosen to provide security for London's Underground train network. Verint Systems, a subsidiary of Israel's Comverse Technology announced that Metronet Rail has selected Verint's networked video solution to enhance security of the London Underground, according to an Israel21c report. After extensive testing of Verint's networked video system, including pilot installation on selected rail lines, Metronet Rail selected it to be installed on the entire Underground. The system will enable security personnel to monitor passenger platforms and certain remote portions of the track. Verint president and CEO Dan Bodner told Israel21c: "We have significant experience working with transportation authorities and are committed to delivering innovative networked video security solutions for the transportation industry." Thing is , Michelle, We haven't seen any video from 7/7 , have we? Yup! Just like 9-11 the Jewish thing is one part of the 7/7 puzzle. Blues, Cliff Ciels- Michele

__________________________________________________ I was just asking about the odds of that happening, Joel. But you didn't even offer odds. You busy making excuses about how it "could " happen at the same time. Thing is., We know it happened at the same time. That is a fact!!! I don't know what you want to argue about but, the question here is ; What are the odds that a security exercise with the exact same scenario ,including targeted stations , would occur simultaneous to an actual terrorist attack on those same targets. Any reasoned guess as to the odds , Joel? Blues, Cliff

_________________________________________________) WTF ,Fenceline??? Were you breathing just after the 7/7 bombings? Did you not read the reports that the explosives were definately military? Did you read a few days later that they were mixed up by an Egyptian and then that the Egyptian wasn't involved at all? Look ,Guy, I'm not here to inform the lazy people . I'm here to inform the "misinformed" and those bowled over by government propaganda. Get a library card , Dude. Don't register it! Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Do you have any thing of relevance to add to the thread ,Errol? Hmm, Errol.., Is that a Jewish name? Are you Jewish Errol? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ LOL! Listen ,Fenceline.., I'm always glad to help travelers find the Light. Here is a link http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/071305Leonard/071305leonard.html Not the best source as it appears this particular site has an agenda . But there are many other sources which support this account. You can search them out yourself. Infact there is a video of the guy who was incharge of the *exercise* freakingout about the whole thing. I'll leave it to you to research. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ That's been done on another thread ..,let's see ..,oh.., I'm pretty sure it was at least two weeks ago. Try to keep up with world events on your own in the future. I'm not your Nanny and I'm in no way responsible for your well being. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ No, I wasn't there. I was here when the media reported that the explosives were of such high quality that they were definetly military origin. I was here when they said they were cooked up in a basement I've been here whenever the story has changed. Where have you been? Under the covers with your head tucked between your legs? Do you not expect your government to be truthful and accountable? What's the deal.my Freind? The government has provided two diametrically opposed versions of the bombing materials. Does that not make you wonder about the credibility of the gov't version of the story? Blues. Cliff a

OK, so we know that there was a security exercise taking place on 7/7 in London which was based on the *exact* scenario which occured. Bombings of the Tube. The exercise included bombings of the same train stations that occured at the same time they occured. But it was just an "exercise". What are the odds that such an exercise would take place at the exact same time as the bombings which so closely resembled the "exercise"? Anyone??? 9-11 occured during similar "exercises" which also exactly reflected the real time occurence. What are the odds that two significant terrorist attacks would randomly occur during government exercises to simulate just such attacks? Anybody? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Could be that way, fenceline. I'm leaning more toward the "they had to make sure he wasn't able to talk" scenario. I mean why did they tell us these lies about"padded bulky jacket" "jumping the turnstile " etc.? Something stinks in Denmark . In London too! Blues, Cliff

Thinly, veiled personal attacks from you aside, __________________________________________________ Uhmmm,uhumm.., . Hey Dave.., Ya think you may be just a *tad bit* paranoid"? Maybe ,ya think.., a bit thin skinned? Blues, Cliff

[So a connection to Al Qaeda by someone from Brazil should not be entirely overlooked. __________________________________________________ Connections between Al-Queida and the CIA ,Al-Queida and the Mossad(do I have to keep hyphenating?)AlQueida and the Pakastani ISI are a lot easier to document. Al Queida is *our* terrorist organization. Support the US Government !!! Support Al Queida!!!!!! Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Very sad.., that an educated man can't think of just one weapon, just one "less than lethal weapon" which doesn't kill. Would you like to try again ,Aggie Dave? Blues, Cliff

So many have heard that Netenyahu got a warning before the 7/7 bombings. Scotland Yard denied issuing any warning. Now the Israelis are standing by the story that they recieved a warning six minutes before the attack. So who knew? Do you really expect that Arab bombers would warn Israelis? Scotland Yard says it didn't come from them! It is a confirmed fact that the Israelis recieved a warning(at least if you believe the Mossad), was it a warning or a *progress report*? Blues, Cliff

Literally every less than lethal weapon used currently can still kill. _________________________________________________ Not exactly true ,Aggie Dave. But you do ehibit the mindset of so many in law enforcement and the military. As an exercise, can you name one ,just one,"less than lethal weapon" that doesn't kill? Blues, Cliff

OK, I guess that the gig is up! They found many more bombs in the trunk of the car of the 7/7 bombers! How much more *planted*evidence do you need??? Hey Sherlock.., Riddle me this.., Why would a "suicide bomber " who is utilizing "timing devices" to blow his load ,leave bombs in his trunk ? I mean .., does that make sense to you?..,?? Wouldn't you expect that if he had extra bombs in his trunk and access to timers that he would time the bombs and park the car next to a target? Something just ain't addin' up here with the "official story". Let's agree that if the "official story" doesn't add up, it is wrong. Can we agree on that? OK.., you don't want to agree on that. Will you agree that the "official story" has changed a number of times since the first 7/7 report of an explosion on the tube? Blues, Cliff