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We didn't invade based on trumped up intelligence. We used that trumped up intelligence to get support to do the job that both Bushes and Clinton wanted to do - the removal of Hussein. Getting him out was good. Not knowing what to do next - bad. __________________________________________________ Breaking international law to implement regime change.., BAD. Using "trumped up intelligence, a.k.a. LIES to gain support for the Bush agenda.., IMPEACHABLE. I note you bring Clintons' name into this. Let me assure you that lying to Congress to gain approval for a war is a serious crime. The 1700 dead American soldiers aren't concerned about any "partisan"politics and their 3,400 parents most likely don't give a shit whether it was a Rep or a Dem that lied to the country inorder to "get support to do the job". The fact is BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED. It is time for a hanging. Blues, Cliff

There was intel....It has been shown wrong. Bad intel happens. Sorry guy, the documents claiming that Saddam was seeking to purchase *yellow cake * from Niger were forgeries. That's not "bad intel". That is purposefully manufactured documents to suggest something other than the Truth. In other words , a LIE! Even before Bush refrenced those documents in his state of the union speech the CIA begged him not to. He did anyway. Bush Lied. People Died. That is the Truth. I understand that it is hard for you to change your position now after being so vociferous in your support of the administration and the war for so long . Face it, you were duped. Blues, Cliff

Its this right here that encourages racism. I try to be nice hand help, you act like that. You are your own worse problem. __________________________________________________ So tell me ,Ron, how my attitude encourages "racism"? Exactly what race do you believe that I am ,and if you have even considered what race I belong to, does that make you a racist? Do you have to assign me a "color" or can my thoughts just stand as colorless? Blues, Cliff Frankly, Cliff, when I read that last night, I stopped giving a fuck about how society is treating you. In a more general sense, when people are mocked because their efforts or beliefs don't go far enough, their general tendency is to stop trying at all. Society nowithstanding, that huge chip on your shoulder is keeping you down. __________________________________________________ Actually ,Kelpdiver, I don't think society has treated me badly at all. Especially when I consider how "lesser"blacks have been treated. When I say "lesser" I'm talking about those whose anscestors were slaves. My family are relative recent immigrants and more of a "high yella" . We are decendants of royalty. Yes ,infact, my great,great grandmother,the cousin of the King of Sheba(Ethiopia to you) was sent to London and then Germany to be educated around 1893. At about the time her studies were concluding ,political upheaval was taking place in her homeland and she opted to remain in Europe where she eventually married the brother of the archduke Ferdinand. Following the assasination the family was wisked to one of the more *posh* areas of Virginia where they were able to live in virtual anonymity ,total security, and in the splendor one would expect considering the combined fortunes of a *ruling elite * marriage. You could say that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I even had a "white "nanny and servants, all of whom were paid a generous wage. If you were to read the first page in this thread you might realize that my posts weren't so "radical". As a matter of fact, when I reread them I understand why I'm often referred to as "the pillsbury dough boy" by my group of friends. Shortly after those first few comments I was told to "go fuckyourself" and notified that I was the problem. This post was deleted by a moderator but did offer me some insight as to how the darker ,less economically advantaged,"Niggas" are treated more regularly. Then I was told that yes slavery was wrong but there was no reason for the decendants of slaves to inherit the monies long past due. Sure everyone agrees that those slaves should have been compensated, but it seems that it would just be too hard to find out who should get that cash. Better to just let those who got rich off the backs of blacks to keep that money! I mean , pickin cotton is easy work compared to trackin' down who might be entitled. Next I was told that there is still discrimination ,but it ain't any harder on blacks than whites. All I'm doin here is stickin' up for those poor unfortunate darker blackies,and y'all act like I'm one of them!! I'm a rich, High Yella ,Dammit! I ain't got no grudge! But while I'm posting let me tell you the truth about jails in america. They aren't meant to deter the "darkies" from crime. Infact, as I previously stated ,this segment of the population doesn't recognize the "white mans" laws or government. That government has never made restitution or sought any Justice for past grievances , grievences that they have admitted, so why should those "darkies" put any stock in the white mans 'system? This being the case, going to jail has become somewhat of a "right of passage" among the males in the black community. If you ain't been to jail you must be kissin' up to the man too much! And less you think that "jail time" is any deterent to the blacks, let me remind you that jail is one of the few places in america where the blacks are in the majority. This is a place where they have white servants bringing them meals, medicine , and toilet paper. This is a place where they are runnin' things and jungle rules apply. The Government knows this and uses it to it's advantage. The jails aren't there to force the blacks to comply with the white mans laws. Jails are there to cower the white man into accepting an abiding by the white mans laws. Blues, Cliff

Wow. What a comment. It speaks volumes about how you view the progeny of slaves, now doesn't it? __________________________________________________ What it speaks to ,Michele , is my knowledge and insight of the reasoning of many in the black community. If you purposefully clipped and then posted one line without any of the supporting context, and then moved that line to reply to another competely different post, inorder to make it more difficult for the reader to see my statement in the proper context , then I would say that "speaks volumes about you". What do you think? Blues, Cliff

What race are you? Don't know, don't care. But comments like the above make me think you are black. __________________________________________________ Oh , so those are "black "comments? Comments you would expect from a "black man'? Blues, Cliff

My man Bruce would give him a hell of a time. Brucie also recovered from near paralysis and still came back kickin' ass. __________________________________________________ Bruce Lee is a feather weight! Sure he has speed but a fly flyin' at full speed into a Bull ain't gonna cause much harm even if there are multiple strikes. Now George has fists like HAMHOCKS and some serious weight behind 'em. I don't see that Bruce stands much of a chance.Maybe he oughta return his low-fat GF grill and think about puttin' on some poundage. __________________________________________________ Georgie would kick Kirky's ass right off. __________________________________________________ Kirk is a wimp! Blues, Cliff

Its this right here that encourages racism. I try to be nice hand help, you act like that. You are your own worse problem. __________________________________________________ So tell me ,Ron, how my attitude encourages "racism"? Exactly what race do you believe that I am ,and if you have even considered what race I belong to, does that make you a racist? Do you have to assign me a "color" or can my thoughts just stand as colorless? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ My apologies. I should have said, "Well thank you ,Ron. You are a fine individual!!" Blues, Cliff

Quoteyou know i think this thread is funniest thing going at the moment... a racial discrimination debate tied with who would whip who's ass, Capt Kirk or Bruce Lee... __________________________________________________ George Foreman could whoop both those boys and then feed 'em a healthy low fat meal.

No, I made the mistake of trying to help you out....I was at one time one of the most banned folks on here....Forgive me for trying to prevent you from getting in trouble __________________________________________________ OOH!!! Some trouble!!! Thank you so much ,Ron!!! You might have saved me from havin' my post deleted!!!! Is that what white folk consider trouble? Certainly that is what you thought you were gonna save me from! Well thank you Massa Ron! You a good white man!!! Blues, Cliff

That is very close to an attack...I got warned for the same thing. __________________________________________________ Sup Nigga! (thought I'd make you feel better!LOL!) So what are you now a self appointed moderator? LOL!!! Listen Ron, there is no way around it . Racial profiling is wrong with a capital W. It is racism Blues, Cliff.

And to your question, ousting SH is our legal reason for being here, just because you don't personally agree with the war doesn't make it illegal. __________________________________________________ OK. Can you site any law which gave the US the legal athority to oust Saddam? I mean, you are "in the shit". You are the guy killing . Surely you know the legal reason why. Blues, Cliff

Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. __________________________________________________ Oh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. I wonder ,Funks, if you ever considered any of the socioeconomic factors involved ? Do blacks have the same resources to legal representation as th "equivalent "white? As we have established that blacks are more likely to be pulled over due to nothing other than their skin color.we would have to expect incarceration numbers to reflect a higher percentage of blacks. __________________________________________________ Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. _________________________________________________ But you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? Blues, Cliff

Racial profiling exists for a reason. Think about what i am saying. In todays day and age we are forced to rely on racial profiling to PREVENT crimes. _________________________________________________ Funks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. It has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Blues, Cliff

And yet, I still consider it one of my greatest compliments when I used to make deliveries and pickups in Compton (which is not that bad of a place - go north a couple of miles and it gets bad, though). I'd just mind my own business and there was always these same dudes on the corner. After a couple of weeks I got a nod from one of them. About a week later, I got a "'Sup." A couple of weeks later, I got a "'Sup, nigga." WTF? "Sup, nigga" is the "greatest compliment" you ever recieved? James, your lily white ass is frontin'! Da besttest compliment you ever recieved in yo' life was when some corner street nigga said, "Sup, nigga"? I am in stitches here! Were you able to procure a photogragh to commemorate the occasion? LOL!! "Sup, nigga? LOL!!!!!! "Sup" "nigga" LOL!!!! Was it really so much a compliment or did that comment just lead you to believe that you weren't likely to get robbed and raped that evening? "Sup" LOL! Blues, cLIFF

That right there is your problem. Why did you bring your skin color into the cop situation??? What does being black have to do with mouthing off to a cop and facing the consequences??? __________________________________________________ Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Don't try to tell me that all is "right" and "you people just need to buck up". The fact is that there is still discrimination in America and you "white folk" don't even realize it. Blues, Cliff

Laws apply to everybody, if someone doesn't recognize them, they can elect to get the fuck out. __________________________________________________ Not everyone recognizes the US government as a legitimate government. Sons and grandsons of slaves have no reason to believe that the US will look out for their interests and who could blame them. They could "elect to get the fuck out" but in reality they have stayed and decided to tell you to " get the fuck out." Dat's why you people so scared today ob the black man! Blues, Cliff __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________

yeah, but it's too much trouble to dig them all up to pay them. __________________________________________________ But don't their progeny deserve the inheritance? Blues, Cliff

Do you believe that those men who were held as slaves don't deserve that compensation? They did. So they didn't receive it. However, we did go forward by freeing them[ Oh .., How Kind! LOL! You freed them? What a grand gesture ! _________________________________________________ /b], and allowing their descendants the opportunities to succeed. __________________________________________________ You "allowed " them ? Again, how grande of you! Yes, it took quite a while; yes there is still some discrimination going on, BUT you do have the same opportunities as anyone else. __________________________________________________ This is like shooting fish in a pond! "There is still some discrimination" but we all have the same opportunity? And you wonder why the desendants of slaves don't wish to legitemize the US govt by participating? You wonder why the progeny of the slaves steal your cars and rape your women? It is because they don't recognize your laws. Even you don't recognize your laws. If you did you would compensate those who desended from slaves. Blues, Cliff

There's a lot of bad shit that happened in the past. That was the past. Get the fuck over it. You don't get a free penny just because you're great-great-great-great-grandmother might have been a slave. Unformed, surely you are a man who understands the value of a dollar. You are probably a guy who also understands the way compound interest works. You're probably thinking about your future and how if you put some money today in a Roth you'll see some real interest over the next 40 years. You also will begrudgungly admit that slavery is,was, has always, been wrong. I say it is an abomination before my God!! Certainly , reasoned Men realize that slavery is wrong and that everyman who performs a fair days work deserves a fair days wages. The same is true of those who were kept as slaves. For every day they worked they deserve a fair days wages. Compound interest is remarkable! Can you calculate the amount of past wages due to one 1850 farm hand for one days labor? Do you believe that those men who were held as slaves don't deserve that compensation? Please explain your position. Blues, Cliff

QuoteQuoteI live the truth cliff.... __________________________________________________ Really? Then please explain why you think that "The liberal hatered for GWB in this country is out of control". __________________________________________________ Here are a couple good reads for you.... __________________________________________________ Those were very long articles ,Storm1977. I'm sure they were very informative ! Thank you for posting those!!!!!!!! Thing is .., and I'm sorry.., the question is why "you" think that "The liberal hatered for GWB in this country is out of control". It's not about other writers and propaganda, Storm1977. It's about your opinion. So try again now on your own , will you? Blues, Cliff

That is NOT a function of Race. Money gets you things....Well duh! Do you think the people who were slaves are any worse off than a person who came over broke in the late 1800's? __________________________________________________ Of course. White people "who came over broke in the late 1800's?" , didn't have to deal with being *BLACK* at a time when all Blacks were treated as "niggers" and worth less than the mules which plowed the fields. __________________________________________________ Crying about how their family *might* have been slaves 150 years ago is not a reason why TODAY, THEY drop out of high school, do drugs, or have kids without being able to support them. __________________________________________________ I'd say the reason for much of this is because they have decided to not join the "white mans' society" and legitimise his government. The same government which never attempted to make reperations for wrongs we all know were committed. Listen Ron, Slavery was wrong and I think you will admit that. The decendants of the slaves have been denied their just inheritance (the value of their anscestors toil). Even if you don't stand behind my last statement,fact is that there are many ,many blacks who feel this way. How do you propose we make peace with them for the betterment of America? Blues, Cliff

It would be interesting to find the # of Old money americans and the number of New Money americans. __________________________________________________ That would be interesting, Chris. But perhaps more revelant to this thread would be a statistic showing the percentage of slave decendants still living in poverty. Equally relevant may be a graph showing the wealth of those whose families once held slaves, compared to a graph of the wealth of those whose anscestors were slaves. I mean, just for fun! Cause we all know that those with no money have the same advantages and the equal opportunity to advance in this great United States of America. Don't we? Blues, Cliff Chris

I live the truth cliff.... __________________________________________________ Really? Then please explain why you think that "The liberal hatered for GWB in this country is out of control". Blues, Cliff

The liberal hatered for GWB in this country is out of control. __________________________________________________ Really? __________________________________________________ These liberals seek not what is in the best interest of the USA, but instead, any mistruth with they believe can or will undermine the President. __________________________________________________ Again Storm 1977, don't let this "liberal vs. conservative, Dem vs. Rep. propaganda take over your mind. It is time you learn the Truth. Blues, Cliff