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__________________________________________________ Actually "unformed", legal immigrants in the last 50 years or so have had it pretty easy compared to those who were brought here as slaves. I doubt anyone would argue that. Here is a question for you,unformed; Considering the fact that most of todays wealthiest citizens were born into that wealth, would you agree that the majority of todays most impoverished citizens were born into poverty? Blues, Cliff

Black people need to stop taking pity on themselves solely because of skin color. __________________________________________________ So funks, do you believe that all "black people" "pity themselves? Blues, Cliff

These people detained at GITMO are detain for a good reason. These people either tried to, or were intent on kill us. __________________________________________________ Are you sure about that Storm 1977? "The U.S. government gave the slave trade a boost by offering money for Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. Afghan and Pakistani warlords simply rounded up people who looked Arab or foreign and sold them to the Americans as captured fighters. The “fighters” apparently included relief workers, refugees and Arab businessmen. The tribunals looking into the classification of Guantanamo prisoners as “enemy combatants” have uncovered numerous examples of hapless victims of a naive U.S. government too flush with money. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi/2005/06/03#Washington_Is_the_S Storm1977, I know you want right in the world. I firmly believe that you are a decent ,caring, human. Don't let the propaganda get the better of your mind. Blues, Cliff

And to your question, ousting SH is our legal reason for being here, just because you don't personally agree with the war doesn't make it illegal. __________________________________________________ OK. Can you site any law which gave the US the legal athority to oust Saddam? I mean, you are "in the shit". You are the guy killing . Surely you know the legal reason why. Blues, Cliff

QuoteI've been a Dem most of my life and Howard Dean makes my skin crawl, the guy is just plain embarrassing. I think he'll be remembered as the low point of the party's fortunes. __________________________________________________ It almost makes one wonder if this monkey isn't all for show, doesn't it Mr.tbrown? Do you really believe that there are two parties in America? I'm of the belief that Dems vs Rep is all for show. I'm thinking that each are mastered by rich elites. I'm thinkin' it's time we get some real folks to represent us in Washington . I'm thinkin' that it's high time We take back the country for WE the PEOPLE. I'm thinkin' that it is time We demand the government honor the Constitution. Sadly, I know that this will never happen until things get very much worse. Blues, Cliff

So, how is ripping pages out of the Koran violating human rights???? If you ACTUALLY read what I wrote, you would see that I only mention Being "Pussie" when refering to the "Desicration" of the Koran. __________________________________________________ LOL! I enjoy watching people! I really enjoy asking people to survey their thoughts an seeing what they come up with. So storm 1977, eventhough desecration of the Koran is not a violation of "Human Rights", how can that act possibly be reconciled with our long term strategy of Peace in the middle east and an end to terrorism? Surely (or maybe not) you can see that any disrespect our government( or it's agents) direct toward any Islamic icon will brood ill will between the Muslims and the USA. Still think messing with a book ain't no big deal? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ I agree. Let me ask you a question ,Bill. Do you believe that the US should immediately pull out of Afgahnistan and Iraq? Blues, Cliff

Cause we believe in pussy things like human rights. And we arrest/kill people who don't. If you're going to use human rights as an excuse to invade a country, you can't say "we don't believe in pussy human rights!" when it comes to how _we_ treat people. __________________________________________________ Oh! So you believe that the Koran is "human" an entitled to those "human rights"? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Setting the hookah aside to grab the keyboard, Really?

Quotelook at this guys picture He has Crazy Chainsaw murderer written all over his face!!! __________________________________________________ LOL! Looks like one of those"freeflyer"types. "I'd make a great juror, your Honor. I can tell if a person is quilty just by looking at'em! " Blues, Cliff

QuoteThis is what he carried to the border: carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. Ummmm.... Don't you think they would have at least questioned him a bit??? __________________________________________________ Who says they didn't? They did fingerprint him and document the items he was carrying. I don't know that everyone crossing the border get's that treatment. I think the story is some "ooga-booga" meant to make us all cringe about our "open borders". The thing is that in this particular case,to me, the border guards appear to have done their job very well. Blues, Cliff

QuoteI have a SERIOUS QUESTION Who gives a shit if anyone mishandled the Koran(sp?) at Gitmo? Show of hands.... Seriously... F***'em. We aren't tourturing these prisoners. So what if we rip pages out... Who cares if they piss on the Koran right in front of the prisoners. Who really cares. I say do it more!!!!! __________________________________________________ "The Koran .., now in two-ply"

QuoteWHY DID THEY LET THIS GUY INTO THE COUNTRY WITH WHAT HE WAS CARRYING???? __________________________________________________ Because he was a naturalised US citizen with no outstanding warrants in either country? Blues, Cliff

Opinion - post your proof of war crimes that Bush or Rumsfeld have committed. __________________________________________________ The lists are long . Would you prefer I first list the war crimes of Bush or Rumsfeld? Blues, Cliff

As Usual, the bias of the poster in question to the "arab brotherhood" renders him blind to the fact that it is ok for arabs to commit genocide against any race or creed, including their own. But god forbid if someone, lets just hypotetically say the "Israelis" __________________________________________________ Commit genocide against the Palestinians? Is that what you meant to say? __________________________________________________ Lol, Darius, someday you will anwser the relevant questions.....you should concentrate your effort in changing your homeland way of treating women.....IMO __________________________________________________ Is it true that Israel is the #1 Nation as far as imported sex slaves? I guess they aren't "homeland" so that's OK with you and the rest of the zionists ,ey? Blues, Cliff

Why is it that Muslim extremists can cling to the Q'uoran and declare this to be a Holy War and our guys can't invoke their beliefs in such a small and inconsequential way? __________________________________________________ Homefield advantage? Blues, Cliff

It's interesting how you always pop-up and make these statements in regard to Americans killing innocent Iraqiis. It's also interesting that you never do the same thing with messages detailing how Iraqii insurgents commit multiple daily massacres of their own people. __________________________________________________ John, I can see you are a bright guy. Naturally we all would expect the truly innocent Iraqis whose families have been injured to be less than kind to our occupation forces. I mean really, if you kill Abduls' brother,mother,father ,and goat.., ya got to kinda expect that Abdul might want to seek some kinda revenge (free Charmin, even with an instruction booklet , may not quell his rage). So let's agree that those are the people who are attacking our troops. The people who attack American Occupation Forces. Certainly those same Iraqis aren't the ones who are blowing up Mosques and fellow Iraqis. They just wouldn't have time.As a matter of fact , more likely than not they would be too focused on *revenge* against the Americans to even consider attacking their fellow Iraqis right now. Sure , after they get rid of threat one, the Infidels, then they will fight amongst themselves. So who is blowing off all these car bombs which aren't against military targets? I'll bet it aint Iraqis. I'd wager it is some third party . Got any ideas as to who is really responsible? Noodle it out,John. I know you can. Blues, Cliff

During the invasion airstrikes were only used against military targets, such as to take out SH, or military instiallations. Now that we are in the counter-insurgency role it is near impossible to call in an airstrike. And if you do try to call one in the restrictions placed on you are insane, __________________________________________________ GQ, Can you site any legal reason for US troops being in Iraq? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ To avoid having to answer the next question about a midget in a g-string on a tightrope during the superbowl halftime show,let me teach you how to fish so that you'll eat for more than a day . Any Man has the Right to do whatever he pleases,so long as he is not violating the Rights of others. That's what Freedom is all about. Red ,White,and Blues, Cliff

QuoteI just won a support award after paying close to 20,000 dollars over the last 10yrs... __________________________________________________ You can support a child on $2,000 per year? $166 per month? $41.50 per week? Do you live in Ethiopia? Or did you mean $200,000 over the last ten years? Blues, Cliff

Also, Ron, when you say, "This means that I think that "the people" should be allowed weapons that a small unit would use." I can't really agree with you about -everything- that would entail; hand grednades for instance __________________________________________________ Yes, handgrenades,tear gas, tanks like those the government used against the innocent at the Branch Davidion temple. Ground to air missles, mines, etc. The people have the Right to the same arms the government has to ensure the government is always the "servant " and the People the master. Oh, and before you get on the "innocent Branch Davidion" comment, show me where they were proven guilty before their execution. Blues, Cliff

[ I can kinda see where your argument is coming from, but do you actually have a point, or are you just bored? __________________________________________________ The main point is made in the thread title. When government acts to suppress the Rights of the People,the People have only two avenues to address this very grave transgression. One is through the courts. Unfortunately today every court in the land ,the very same courts which are the last hope of We the People to peacefully secure our Rights and address the government as to our grievences,themselves seek to deny us our Natural Rights. Anytime any of us attempt to enter a courtroom, in the "Land of the Free", our 2nd and 4th ammendment Rights are violated by the government. As a matter of fact, they have posted armed agents of the state at every entrance to these "halls of justice" to disarm the poulation by force. Some will say , "That's how I like my courts..,Safe". Those folks are fools. A sheep in a pen is "safe" until slaughter season. If the courts deny us our Rights , those courts are illegitimate and there is no longer any avenue to attempt to peacefully secure our Rights or to address the government as to our grievences. This is the state of America today. The question is ; Knowing that the government has superior firepower and forces.., Are you brave enough to be Free? Blues, Cliff

If a person wishes to "carry" then they should have to pass tests and back ground checks. __________________________________________________ So says "Ron". The Constitution says otherwise. The founding Fathers said,"shall not be infringed". "Tests and backround checks"? Conducted by whom? Tests and checks to be conducted by the very same government that the Founding Fathers knew We should be armed against? Really short and simple.., no Man needs government approval to carry firearms. It is a Right. Rights aren't granted by government and no government has any legitimate power to deny any Man his Rights. Blues, Cliff

I don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes. __________________________________________________ Seems like alot of them support George W. Bush + Rumsfeld. Blues, Cliff

Does this right extend to a drunk walking through a school? __________________________________________________ Even a drunk is protected by the 2nd ammendment and has the Right to bear arms. Blues, Cliff