unclecharlie95
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First suits have already been shipped
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That is "official". BASEstore.it
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Your post is turning into an attack on me again. The facts: -A dive plan and criteria were stated before the event. -The formation was said to have been completed. -No proof has been posted online. -No one has been identified as the judge that can be consulted. There is an obvious incongruence. (It seems strange that if there had been "the photo" that it would simply have been misplaced.) From the many emails and PMs I have received I can safely say I am not the only one who has questions. The obvious way to use this discussion is to identify the way forward for future attempts, moving the goal posts after the fact is a step backwards. This, you will be happy to hear, is my last post in this thread. BASEstore.it
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yes, i have a draft of that somewhere on my pc.. It was in my presentation to the IPC. BASEstore.it
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Why - why!? Because IMO if there had been an independent judge at the event we wouldn't be having this discussion. I see how you are trying to turn the thread as an attack on me. Lets stick to facts. I have spent a lot of time on the idea of big way formations, writing articles and also presenting to the FAI-IPC. What is my motivation? To make you all mad? To say what you did or didn't do? NO - I want to see progression in this discipline that I have been passionate about for the last 9 years of my life. BASEstore.it
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What makes you believe there wasn't? Then please tell us who it was?! What was the evidence they used to judge the record complete and can this evidence be put online? BASEstore.it
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Lower your guns! An optimistic long term view is needed. The article is from July '07. So a little more research might be a good idea. GPS manufacturers are usually keen to promote their products (i.e. Garmin in Russia provided free GPS for the comp) BASEstore.it
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http://www.amsa.gov.au/shipping_safety/Navigation_Safety/Differential_Global_Postitioning_System/DGPS_Fact_Sheet.asp That would be very worth while exploring!
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Thats right, I never did anything in this direction... BASEstore.it
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You said it! woo hoo!! BASEstore.it
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and shall we have a vote after every big way attempt to see if "we did it or not?" BASEstore.it
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"Almost" ? The event organizers set the criteria for success before the event - the jumps were performed with the objective to satisfy said criteria. The achievement of said goal becomes digital. If there had been an independent judge on the DZ what would their decision have been? That is how it works for all the other skydiving big ways (regardless of the fact whether they dock or not). Declare exactly what you intend to do and then prove that you did it. 399 doesn't cut it on 400 way attempt. Emotional attachment to a record attempt is understandable due to the massive investment in terms of time, money, risk and energy but to do so also makes us ALL lose credibility. The Emperor's New Clothes.. BASEstore.it
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I don't think lens distortion is that big of an issue in judging the photos seen to date where there are obvious gaps in the formation. In more simple terms lens distortion would not close up those gaps and make the formation complete. For future formations I am in 100% agreement with you. A 71 way flock formation was flown for the first time but not a slot perfect formation. Perhaps there could be 2 categories of big way formation? The "slot perfect" would always be smaller as it is more difficult but I think a "flock" definition could be drafted quite easily. If we want to move forwards to official recognition and being a serious discipline that attracts other experienced skydivers to join us (at the moment we only attract the new skydivers) this kind of ambiguity needs to be resolved. Wing suit flying will go where WE want it to. BASEstore.it
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In a small pond it is easy to look like a big fish. It is up to all of US to think about this and help come up with a solution. If you make up a dive plan and state before hand that everyone must fly within a 3m box then that is the bar you set for yourself. If that doesn't work then you must put the bar somewhere else - finding a definition that allows the flexibility required WITHOUT making the achievement of the record ridiculous (i.e.mass exit) But maybe a 40 way could be flown within these parameters but not a 71 way with the current skill level (and first attempt!) BASEstore.it
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One RW guy says to another RW guy: "Hey those wingsuiters can't even figure out if they flew a complete formation or not!?" Artistic events can be subjective, big way records cannot. Moving the goal posts after the fact is also not the way forward. But for me success or failure is not the issue here - it is about finding a workable record definition and judging method for future attempts. The top and bottom photos show good potential for judging the formation - as the photo Matt posted showing the front 36 flyers in 'perfect' formation proved. Parallax and lens distortion can't make a bad formation look that good Maybe working up to the 71, from 41 - 51 - 61 could have been useful. BUT the fat lady didn't yodel yet, maybe 111 has that killer image on his hard disk, just waiting to be found! BASEstore.it
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As Zeemax pointed out, I don't think lens distortion is that big of an issue in judging the photos seen to date where there are obvious gaps in the formation. For future attempts this should be addressed though. BASEstore.it
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I exchanged PMs with the 111 about photos of the record formation. He is away for a wedding at the moment and hasn't had time to review the photos to select the best ones. From what he describes it gives me doubts whether all the flyers were in their 3m box. (the definition for the complete formation stated before the attempt) Regardless the formations built over 'snore were the best ever flown and larger than I thought possible at the moment (40-50). I'm interested to see what Scott and co. are up to in Eloy :) BASEstore.it
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccpJassp5wg In the mean time check out the video from Tuesday
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Congratulations to all the participants and organizers! I hope this will become the first of many significant mile stones in the history of slot perfect wing suit big way formations. BASEstore.it
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Not planned at this point. BASEstore.it
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I'll try and get a photo of the two together. True the Ghost 2 incorporates the "good stuff" from the Stealth - but the surface area is still quite different. Stealth 2 - hmm the WOM suits needs more testing, personally I don't think circus tent big is the way go Maybe small wings will be the next big thing
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This one was by K
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Big suit, slow horizontal speed and moderate vertical speed? BASEstore.it
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I know, not a recommended suit for fixed object jumping - but we had problems finding a plane. R pulled high! Full details should be up on the PF website shortly. BASEstore.it